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willieH: Hi timbo...
I find some agreement with some of your post and MUCH disagreement with some of it...
Much of your offering is commonly accepted "theology"... which is in need of correction...
No offense is intended toward you whatsoever... just a hope that you might consider the commentary made.
There is no Scripture which notes that "satan" (it is arguable as to what this word identifies ) is thrown into "hell" (it is also arguable as to what this word identifies )...
...God did not create a "fiery hell" at all... as a matter of fact, it is MAN which has erected this fallacy, and RELIGIOUS MEN which seek to place other men in it -- James 3:6-9 -- which... "Ought not so to be"
Actually, ALL are tried in FIRE (pur) -- Mark 9:49 -- for THIS LIFE is the FIERY trial (lake of FIRE = pur = fire) in which we are "tried" -- Rev 3:18 -- JESUS' "gold" was TRIED in FIRE (pur), ...which "trials" took place in THIS REALM and in THIS LIFE... Peter noted to his listeners, that they would be tried by "fire" (pur) -- 1 Pet 1:8 -- 1 Pet 4:12
FIRST --- The word "satan" (much like the word "hell") is a misunderstood term... "satan" is a Hebrew term which means "adversary/adversity"... that which is contrary to the COMMAND of God is ADVERSE to it... and the messengers of ADVERSITY are indeed the adversaries of the GOSPEL...
MANY are said to be in this grouping -- Matt 7:22-23 -- which COME in the NAME of CHRIST, and yet are termed BY HIM as those who "work iniquity"! How can this be? Easily explained... because they are claiming the works of "righteousness" for themselves, while bearing a message of HORROR and DESTRUCTION to the WORLD which God so LOVES...
"satan" IS not and never was a being. And is that which is unto those who either do not at all believe in CHRIST, or that DO believe, but bring the message of FEAR, HORROR and VENGENCE (which is past -- Matt 5:38) in the stead of the GOSPEL of PEACE which is the GOOD NEWS of GOD's GRACE, LOVE, and FORGIVENESS -- Matt 5:44-48
WillieH,
That Satan (meaning "resistor") is a real person, can be seen from the words that Jesus told the Jews: "You are from your father the Devil (meaning "slanderer"), and you wish to do the desires of your father. That one was a manslayer when he began, and he did not stand fast in the truth, because truth is not in him. When he speaks the lie, he speaks according to his own disposition, because he is a liar and the father of [the lie, literally "of it"]."(John 8:44)
Jesus points back to Genesis 3 and the Garden of Eden, whereby "the serpent" seduced Eve to eat of the "tree of knowledge of good and bad" (Gen 3:1-5), introducing the first lie.
In addition, the first two chapters of Job has the name Satan 14 times when before Jehovah God as well at Zechariah 3, Satan is seen resisting Joshua the high priest.(Zech 3:1, 2) Following his baptism, Jesus told the Devil: "Go away, Satan! For it is written, It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service.(Matt 4:10) Jesus thus establishes that Satan the Devil is a real person, though a spirit, who rules the "world" of wicked mankind.(1 John 5:19)
The churches have taught for centuries that "hell" is a place of everlasting fiery torment for the "wicked", having absorbed it from pagan doctrine, especially from ancient Babylon. The word "hell" in the King James Bible is often rendered from the Hebrew sheohl´ and the Greek hai´des and at times from the Greek word Gehenna. The Greek word Gehenna is often rendered as "hellfire", but rather than meaning "eternal torment", has the sense of total annihilation, from which there is no resurrection.(Matt 10:28) It is also referred to as the "second death."(Rev 20:14)
The meaning given today to the word hell is that portrayed in Dantes Divine Comedy and Miltons Paradise Lost, which meaning is completely foreign to the original definition of the word. The idea of a hell of fiery torment, however, dates back long before Dante or Milton. The Grolier Universal Encyclopedia (1971, Vol. 9, p. 205) under Hell says: Hindus and Buddhists regard hell as a place of spiritual cleansing and final restoration. Islamic tradition considers it as a place of everlasting punishment.
The idea of suffering after death is found among the pagan religious teachings of ancient peoples in Babylon and Egypt. Babylonian and Assyrian beliefs depicted the nether world . . . as a place full of horrors, . . . presided over by gods and demons of great strength and fierceness. Although ancient Egyptian religious texts do not teach that the burning of any individual victim would go on forever, they do portray the Other World as featuring pits of fire for the damned.(The Religion of Babylonia and Assyria, by Morris Jastrow, Jr., 1898, p. 581; The Book of the Dead, with introduction by E. Wallis Budge, 1960, pp. 135, 144, 149, 151, 153, 161, 200)
It is to be noted that the Bible does not teach that God made "hell", as portrayed by the churches, but it does teach that the Hebrew sheohl´ and the Greek hai´des means mankind's common grave. The apostle Peter quoted from Psalms 16:10 in regard to Jesus at Acts 2:31, thereby showing that Hebrew sheohl´ and the Greek hai´des means the same, mankind's common grave, in which a person can receive a resurrection. The Hebrew word qe´ver and Greek word ta´phos are rendered as grave, whereas the Hebrew sheohl´ and the Greek hai´des are often left untranslated in some Bibles.(New World Translation, American Standard, Darby's Bible)
The word Satan is first used in the Hebrew Scriptures (commonly called the Old Testament) at 1 Chronicles 21:1 in many Bibles, and means literally "resistor". He, being a perfect angel before his defection, cannot seek reconciliation with God, just as Adam and Eve, who are dead forever. These were fully aware of their violation of God's command and could not "beg off" because of sinful imperfection. Only imperfect people who are sinners have before them the opportunity to ' declared righteous' and thus everlasting life.(Rom 5:12, 18, 23)
There are no such things as "demons"... this is an embellishment which is incorporated within the message of fear.
It is the WORK of ADVERSITY in human beings -- Rom 1:18 -- which is being DESTROYED by God, not human beings which GOD so LOVES... Certainly NO HOLY ANGEL (which has ever been HOLY) shall EVER be destroyed!
This is getting quite lengthy, ...so I will stop here for the moment, and address the balance of your post later...
Peace...
...willieH
The word "demon" is found at Matthew 8:31, being the Greek word dai´mon; elsewhere the word dai·mo´ni·on appears over 60 times in the Christian Greek Scriptures (commonly called the New Testament). Satan was the first spirit person to make himself a demon, with the Greek word dai´mon meaning "a spirit, a being inferior to God, superior to men; an evil spirit."(Thayer's Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament, pg 123, 124, G1140 and G1142)
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