Romans 14:14,15 Did Paul declare all foods clean?

RND said:

The warranty is mean to last a long time when the body is cared for and fed properly. What you are referring to is presumptive in that you are suggesting that we can do anything to the body and God's grace will cover whatever problem one inflicts on the body.

That is indeed presumption.

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You know I have a daughter who died in her childhood myself, and it wasnt because of her diet, folks die every day at various ages for various reasons all the time RND, ones diet cant prevent ones death, who is worried about dying anyway? I am not (good riddens to this earthly tabernacle) when the time comes I can put it off.

Besides RND this is about meat "commending us" to God, Paul said it didnt, And for me, Im more conscerned of the which commendeth me to Him than what I know for sure does not, see what I mean?

And again the contrast is found in the same wording...

1Cr 8:8 But meat commendeth us not to God: for neither, if we eat, are we the better; neither, if we eat not, are we the worse.

Acts 20:32 And now, brethren, I commend you to God, and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up, and to give you an inheritance among all them which are sanctified.

Heb 13:9 For it is a good thing that the heart be established with grace; not with meats, which have not profited them that have been occupied therein.

So it shows what we are commended to, and what commendeth us not (to Him) and likewise both show in contrast to the other.

Gotta head out

Fireinfolding said:

You know I have a daughter who died in her childhood myself, and it wasnt because of her diet, folks die every day at various ages for various reasons all the time RND, ones diet cant prevent ones death, who is worried about dying anyway? I am not (good riddens to this earthly tabernacle) when the time comes I can put it off.

Besides RND this is about meat "commending us" to God, Paul said it didnt, And for me, Im more conscerned of the which commendeth me to Him than what I know for sure does not, see what I mean?

And again the contrast is found in the same wording...

1Cr 8:8 But meat commendeth us not to God: for neither, if we eat, are we the better; neither, if we eat not, are we the worse.

Acts 20:32 And now, brethren, I commend you to God, and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up, and to give you an inheritance among all them which are sanctified.

Heb 13:9 For it is a good thing that the heart be established with grace; not with meats, which have not profited them that have been occupied therein.

So it shows what we are commended to, and what commendeth us not (to Him) and likewise both show in contrast to the other.

Gotta head out

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OK, I get you. Since we're going to die one day anyway there is really no reason to take care of the body that God gave us. Great logic.

RND said:

OK, I get you. Since we're going to die one day anyway there is really no reason to take care of the body that God gave us. Great logic.

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Not at all brother thats how you must reason with in order to try and bring in your point, where scripture is speaking directly to the cardinal ordinances and you can see the Kingdom of God (preached after John/ who came not eating and drinking, given the imposition of the same) is followed by Jesus who is not made of the carnal commandment in that he came eating and drinking (whereas in the same breath) the Kingdom of God is not of.

I honestly dont give it much thought, even Jesus said, "take no thought for what you will wear or eat", they called him a glutton and winebibber, and John (who come not doing either) they said had a devil and both come in contrary ways. Because the law and the prophets were UNTIL JOHN, and Jesus FOLLOWS AFTER John. And given the law justified no one but by it comes the knowledge of sin (standing at the Jordan where Moses was not able to pass) at that end (The Jordan) is the repentance (figured in John) where the law is to bring you to (not the justification). And likewise stands Jesus (at the end of "it"/ and being the end of it ). Him following after. He who likewise disanuls the same "in Himself" because of the weakness and unprofitableness of it. Its from there the word of grace takes us on into the Kingdom (which is not in meats and drinks as the former). Just as it says, the word of His grace and not(contrarywise) with meats which has no profit to those which occupieth themselves therein". And even there contrasts it with grace (likewise).

Theres a patern to be seen in it far greater hidden right before our eyes, and yet some the veil would remain, or even understanding in part before the whole the whole beautiful picture opens up like some three dimensional picture that pops out at you if you look at it long enough.

I have not on my mind the carnal things, whiich does not mean (contrarily) I indulged MORE in carnal things, however the cardinal ordinaces in respects to commending ourselves to God are disannuled in Him. Those of the flesh mind the things of the flesh (meats) whereas those of the Spirit mind the things of the Spirit and that of Grace (by Christ) in contrast to those meats his Kingdom is not of. Its reasoned this way so you can catch the pattern of it "get it" and let those other things fall off of yourself, the only thing you can do is strive over meats, and stamp ones feet over foods and to no avail, they are unprofitable.

Frogster said:

What about the boil part? Sounds more about eating.
19 “The best of the firstfruits of your ground you shall bring into the house of the Lord your God.
“You shall not boil a young goat in its mother's milk.

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Did you forget what your own question was, if so here it is.

Frogster said:

Nothing. Look, if if I am wrong fine, but lets see it. I have heard for many years, they can't eat dairy with meat, cause of the verses lloj posted, Torah. I am curious to see whatcha say. Really, tell me whatcha think.
Exodus 34:26
"Thou shalt not seethe a kid in his mother's milk.

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Like I said I've never heard of anyone doing that, but if you are considering doing it, it's a whole lot easer not to and then you don't even have to worry about it.
Why would anyone bother. It seems like more trouble than it's worth?
Like I said in my answer to you earlier, there's a good chance that is not exactly what the verse means anyway.

RND said:

Are you certain? Are you certain that the only meat Paul had access to was unclean?


Again, are you sure that what Paul had been given wasn't clean? Tell me, how do you know?

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Dude, u r asking all of us to believe so much abstract. U r asking us to believe that the Jews got mad at Peter for jogging with them in the park, not for EATING WITH THEM. U r asking us to believe the Jewish mini-mart in the non jewish, synagogue free Philippi, served clean pork, not strangled, did not have blood, and was not offered to idols. U r asking us to believe that while Peter was living as Gentile, it did not mean what the context shows, and Paul the apostle to the Gentiles, would declare them sinners, because of food, while he led them to the Lord, the very thing he told Peter NOT to do recorded in Gal 2!

RND said:

OK, I get you. Since we're going to die one day anyway there is really no reason to take care of the body that God gave us. Great logic.

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You might want to apoligize for that comment,

RND said:

OK, I get you. Since we're going to die one day anyway there is really no reason to take care of the body that God gave us. Great logic.

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we r justified by health!

Deut 5:29 said:

Did you forget what your own question was, if so here it is.



Like I said I've never heard of anyone doing that, but if you are considering doing it, it's a whole lot easer not to and then you don't even have to worry about it.
Why would anyone bother. It seems like more trouble than it's worth?
Like I said in my answer to you earlier, there's a good chance that is not exactly what the verse means anyway.

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If it says don't boil, the context was cooking, so don't eat a cheeseburer, and do not go to Chucky cheese joints.

Frogster said:

If it says don't boil, the context was cooking, so don't eat a cheeseburer, and do not go to Chucky cheese joints.

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Is that really what you get out of that verse?
Focus froggy focus.
Give me a break.

Deut 5:29 said:

Is that really what you get out of that verse?
Focus froggy focus.
Give me a break.

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Welp, most Jews do not eat meat with milk. Like I say, I will learn about it, but for the most part, I think you may be in a minority view on that verse.

Frogster said:

Welp, most Jews do not eat meat with milk. Like I say, I will learn about it, but for the most part, I think you may be in a minority view on that verse.

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God's truth is a minority view so that is probibly a good thing.
You do know how Jesus viewed the prevailing religious views of the Jews of His day?
Jesus called those religious views, "traditions of men", and said they were vain, of no value and just plain wrong.
So there it is, some will go with the views of the Jews of Jesus' day but I'm going to go with Jesus' view, but that's just me.
BTW you obviously did not fully read the first answer I gave you on this.

Deut 5:29 said:

God's truth is a minority view so that is probibly a good thing.
You do know how Jesus viewed the prevailing religious views of the Jews of His day?
Jesus called those religious views, "traditions of men", and said they were vain, of no value and just plain wrong.
So there it is, some will go with the views of the Jews of Jesus' day but I'm going to go with Jesus' view, but that's just me.
BTW you obviously did not fully read the first answer I gave you on this.

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well bro, i am free of all that, but if u r trying to keep sabby, and walk in the law, fine for you, but you may then want to make sure u r not breaking the very law, you think all are to follow..just sayin.....

I found these verses interesting while translating Hebrews.
Paul uses this word twice in 1 Corin 6:13.

http://www.christianforums.com/t7426625/#post58457304
Book of Hebrews Chapter 13

13:9 To teachings various and strange no be being carried about! For ideal to grace to be confirming the heart, not to foods/brwmasin <1033> in which not were benefited the ones treading about.

Rotherham) 1 Corinthians 6:13 Foods for the belly, and the belly for foods/brwmasin <1033>, but God will set aside both it and them.
The body however is not for fornication, but for the Lord,--and the Lord for the body.

If we are speaking about Christianity the ONLY valid reasons one would have for not eating shrimp...
...Is if they don't like the tast, allergic to it or are vegan ( stuff like that ).
...To not eat it because the rubrics of Judaism forbid it is not a valid excuse if one is a Christian.

I was going to vote but it says i already voted, i don't remember voting...

Pythons said:

If we are speaking about Christianity the ONLY valid reasons one would have for not eating shrimp...
...Is if they don't like the tast, allergic to it or are vegan ( stuff like that ).
...To not eat it because the rubrics of Judaism forbid it is not a valid excuse if one is a Christian.

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How about the simple fact that God said don't because it will defile you and I'm your creator and I know what's best for you.

I think people may take the "all things are pure" verse out of context and try to apply them to everything, if that's true then murder is pure. Ah, but they say if you are pure you won't have impure thoughts about such things, and i agree, however wouldn't that mean they also would agree with the law, that it is good and holy?

Deut 5:29 said:

How about the simple fact that God said don't because it will defile you and I'm your creator and I know what's best for you.

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It all depends on two whom "you" refers. If you are referring to those under the Covenant (i.e. the Jewish people) you would be correct. If, however, you place Gentiles under that Covenant, your reading of the Bible is flawed and you are quite incorrect.

11822 said:

I was going to vote but it says i already voted, i don't remember voting...

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The question from the OP does not make any sense anyway.
All FOOD is clean.
What he means most likely is, did Paul some how make unclean meat clean and the answer is NO.

bbbbbbb said:

It all depends on two whom "you" refers. If you are referring to those under the Covenant (i.e. the Jewish people) you would be correct. If, however, you place Gentiles under that Covenant, your reading of the Bible is flawed and you are quite incorrect.

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That is so untrue it's hard to discribe just how untrue.
God made known the truth about unclean and clean meat from the very beginning.
Have you not read Gen?........ That's a retorical question.