Post-Trib Rapture Confirmed

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I feel that my main purpose here is to help others see that there
are other meanings and explanations for verses

I mean this with all do respect,
but the above quote is the beginning of
confusion.

Yup, there is a time when we all go through some misunderstanding,
but if we can pull ourselves away from the everyday bashing of
the TV preachers, the church down the street where the pastor
has been trained, and indoctrinated into a way of believing that
fits they're denomination, then we can slowly drop the walls and
open up to our Fathers truth.

Remember, there are only 2 groups of believers in the end that
our Father finds to be exceptable.

Do you know that there are 2 tribes that never left the faith?
Do you realize, that there are 10 lost tribes?
Do you understand what our Father is saying when He says:
Come out of her my people?

Rev 18:4
And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come
out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins,
and that ye receive not of her plagues.

Do you realize that the christian faith was never taught by Yeshua
or any of the apostles?

Patrick
 
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Patrick,

If offering alternative meanings for scripture is the beginning of confusion then the fault rests with Jesus, for He often reinterpreted OT scripture in a way that was contrary to the current understanding of their meaning. Did he not challenge the saducees to think beyond the simple written word when He used the verse: "I am the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob..." to prove the resurection?

Debbie,

i see several resurections mentioned in the bible. I reserve 'rapture' to denote the catching away of living believers. So we have the resurection of 'the dead in Christ'. There is a resurection of 'This wicked generation(Jesus' time)' in which the righteous and wicked are judged at the same time. We have the resurection of the two witnesses in Revelation, and we have the resurection of the dead at the end of the 1000 year reign. There may be others but these are the ones I can think of off the top of my head. Now some of these probably occur at the same time, probably the two witnesses at the same time as 'this wicked generation'. But the 'dead in Christ' can't happen at the same time as 'this wicked generation' and the 'wicked generation cannot occur at the same time as 'the second resurection' at the end of the 1000 years because some of those in the 'wicked generation resurection are called to be wedding guests, which puts the time period during the tribulation period. There is also a theory that the 144.000 are also a 'rapture' or resurection, but I cannot prove that from scripture so I won't develop that theory any further.
 
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Mat 12:42 The queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: for she came from the uttermost parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and, behold, a greater than Solomon [is] here.

Luk 11:31 The queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with the men of this generation, and condemn them: for she came from the utmost parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and, behold, a greater than Solomon [is] here.

Luk 14:17 gives the parable of the marriage supper (found also in matthew) in which the righteous and wicked are resurected and are judged at the same time.
 
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Pursue love... (1 COR 14:1)

I want to first convince you all that as a prophet I am wrong most of the time. I don't say this to my shame, but to yours. For it is written:

Love never fails. But whether there are prophecies, they will fail.

and then again in another place:

For we know in part and we prophesy in part.

If indeed we Fear God as Solomon suggests at the end of Ecclisiastes, then that is the beginning of our Wisdom.

So then hear me out -- I want to caution you and then propositon you. Be cautious because it is written:

But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet shall die.
(Deut 18:20)

Do not be offended, I am NOT a know it all. In fact I am extending to you a sincere proposition:

Pursue love.

Why is this corny Christian in this thread, you say?

I am here and I am speaking about prophecy. You know well that Moses spoke about Jesus Christ the Son of God in this way:

(Deut 18:15)
The Lord your God will raise up for you a Prophet like me from your midst, from your bretheren. Him you shall hear.

and furthermore saying:

And it shall be that whoever will not hear My words, which he speaks in My name, I will require it of him.

Now when this Prophet, the only begotten Son of God, just before he breathed his last on the Tree, He said:

...It is finished...
(JON 19:30)

In the book of Corinthians, Paul admonishes us to Pursue love, and at the same time encourages us to prophesy for the edification of the church, not for fortune telling. As the angel says to our Brother in Christ John:

See that you do not [worship me] I am your fellow servant, and of your brehteren who have the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

I pray in faith that --
Jesus Christ the sacrifice, and the Love of God toward ALL men will begin with you prophets "at moses and all the Prophets" and will expound to you "in all the scriptures the things concerning Himself."

Amen and anyone who agrees says...



Brother Damian











Brother's
 
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Day, I understand and agree with your post, but don't understand why it is in this thread. We are all persuing love, we've gone out of our way to assure each other that despite our differing viewpoints we are still brothers and sisters. Nobody on this thread is prophesying, we are only seeking the truth in God's word. The only prophesies being discussed are God's prophesies contained in his holy word, and I assure you, they will not fail.

You obviously felt it was necessary to share this post with us, so please clarify so that I can understand.
 
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Thanks Willis for the posting of verses. I've always felt that there will be some prophecy left unfullfilled in the Bible for those born during the 1000 yr reign. To me, the righteous & the wicked being judged at the same time would be for after the 1000 yr reign.(Luke 14:17)
God has provided prophecy for all of us, I don't think it will all be used up on us. Many are born into the 1000 yr reign who won't believe Jesus Is Christ, so some prophecy has to remain for them, and the gospels will still be valuable to them, as unfullfilled prophecy. I will check out Matt.12 & Luke 11. Thanks.
Day, if as a prophet you are wrong most of the time, then take up residency(training) with a prophet who is never wrong. John Bevere wrote a book called,"Thus Saith The Lord", in which he states that wrong prophecy defiles a person who believes it & causes them harm if they had taken it as true. I'm sure you wouldn't want to do that to anyone you give a word to. But if most of the time you are wrong, then you should take measures to fix the problem. God is never wrong. You may have a gift that needs fine tuning, which another prophet can help you with, according to the word. Good luck, love, Debbie
 
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The final judgment at the end of the thousand years is the great white throne judgment and also involves righteous and wicked being judged at the same time. However, the feast parable in Luke and Matthew is a resurection and judgment in relation to the wedding feast of Jesus and the Church, so we would assume it would be closer to the time of the wedding, at the beginning of the 1000 years, not the end.
 
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Originally posted by Willis Deal
Day, I understand and agree with your post, but don't understand why it is in this thread. We are all persuing love, we've gone out of our way to assure each other that despite our differing viewpoints we are still brothers and sisters. Nobody on this thread is prophesying, we are only seeking the truth in God's word. The only prophesies being discussed are God's prophesies contained in his holy word, and I assure you, they will not fail.

You obviously felt it was necessary to share this post with us, so please clarify so that I can understand.


Sorry--

I was trying to illustrate how I came to this conclusion--

The last trump is the second destruction.

except I forgot to type in that conclusion DOH! :eek:


Peace of Christ.
 
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Originally posted by Willis Deal
Trumpets play a significant part in prophecy and Jewish feasts. Understanding the trumpets in the Jewish feasts will help you to understand the trumpets in prophecy.

Understanding Jesus will help you understand prophecy, trumpets are peripoheral to Christ.

Rev 19:10 For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy

If your prohecy is through trumpets, trhen you are a false prophet.All prophecy necessarily relates to the Sacrifice of Jesus Christ Man
 
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Day,

I'm sorry, but once again I am unable to understand your post. The discussion is about trumpets in relation to prophesy. I am not using trumpets to either prove or disprove a point, that should be obvious from my posts. If God says trumpets, or lions, or marriage, He isn't talking just to hear his head roar, He is trying to educate us. God has given us the answers, we need to try to understand what He is saying, but if we refuse to try to understand the symbols and parables He uses then we are hindering ourselves, and when we set ourselves up as teachers or authorities on the matter we will be held accountable for our actions.
 
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Originally posted by Willis Deal
Day,

I'm sorry, but once again I am unable to understand your post. The discussion is about trumpets in relation to prophesy. I am not using trumpets to either prove or disprove a point, that should be obvious from my posts. If God says trumpets, or lions, or marriage, He isn't talking just to hear his head roar, He is trying to educate us. God has given us the answers, we need to try to understand what He is saying, but if we refuse to try to understand the symbols and parables He uses then we are hindering ourselves, and when we set ourselves up as teachers or authorities on the matter we will be held accountable for our actions.

You are completely right. I'm sorry. I have been off topic on most of the discussions. I'll improve starting now.

As I understand it the trumpet did a couple things. Primarily it was used for calling the congregation together, calling the advance of war and it was used in celebration. I believe that we are not in the rest of the LORD yet. In other words, we celebrate a sabbath day on whatever day of the week we feel is best for right now, but there is a day of rest set aside by our God. Hold on -- I'm getting to the trumpets. Now, at the second coming of Christ we will enter the LORD's day of rest if we are found in faith. But to those who are not in faith it will be a day of war.

ISA 27:12, 13 says we will be gathered one by one Israel and those who are perishing (everyone in the world) and we will worship the Lord. This correlates to Phillipians 2:10 and Isaiah 45:23

HOSEA 8:1 proclaims SOUND THE TRUMPET. and this is the same event as in Isaiah. To those who are perishing in faithlessness it is a day of war and destruction.

Now, The writer of Hebrews (God) tells us at the end of chapter 3 and all of chapter 4 that there remains a day of rest for us to enter into.

Now look what the Law says prophetically about the day of rest. Now if this doesn't blow you out of your seat nothing will! Leviticus 23:24 says about trumpets in relation to the sabbath:

Speak to the children of Israel, saying: "In thE seventh month, on the first day of the month, you shall have a sabbath-rest, a memorial of blowing of trumpets, a holy convocation.

A convocation is an assembly right? And Isaiah and Hosea let us know among other prophets that when the trumpet sounds all the things that it stands for will come into effect e.g., assembly of all peoples, destruction of some, sabbath-rest-celebration for the faithful.

So 1 Corintihians 15:52 states:

In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and tje dead will be raised invorruptible, and we shall be changed.

The last trumpet is the end of the world. And we shall be changed to incorruptible Sons of God and we shall begin another journey of faith.

Thank you for being patient with me. Sometimes I take for granted that people will understand me.

Peace of Jesus
 
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Congratulations Day, clear, concise and to the point, and I can say amen. You have hit it exactly, point for point. The seventh month, 1st day of the month is Rosh HaShanna, AKA 'the last trump' At this point we have the assembly, or resurection and 'rapture' for the faithful, and war and destruction for the wicked. The only point upon which we might disagree is when this event occurs in relation to the tribulation period.
 
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:cool: I just looked at post #1 and saw the reference to Matt. 24:31. Granted, the events in the verses immediately preceding this verse indicate leading up to the second coming of Jesus, after great tribulation, Jacob's trouble, God's wrath, last 3 and one half years, etc. But there is one fallacy with that thinking. If you look at the verses immediately FOLLOWING Matt. 24:31, you see the Rapture verses, and conditions surrounding the Rapture. You see as in the days of Noah, they are marrying and giving in marriage, etc., you see one taken and one left, etc. NOT EXACTLY THE SAME CONDITIONS as right before the second coming. Besides, it says NO ONE knows the exact day of the Rapure, and that we aren't destined for God's wrath, to occupy until He comes, etc, referring to Rapture. Occupy means not only spreading the Gospel, but working, etc. Rev. 13 clarifies the left behind saints won't be able to do any of that, because of not having the mark, something in the fall of harlot of babylon passages says the bride and bridgroom will be no more (takes care of marrying and giving in marriage!) And also the scriptures say there will be a famine for the word of God, etc. etc., that has to happen AFTER the Rapture. THere are a whole lot more proofs of Rapture happening at least 3 and 1/2 years before the Second Coming like that the Day of the Lord (the last 3 and 1/2 years) is all darkness, with no light in it, that the Antichrist will defeat all of the saints except the 144,000 sealed Jews and the TINY remnant or elect- Jews left on earth in natural bodies in order to fulfill the promise made to Abraham and Sarah for the millennial reign.
 
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Hello placesofrefuge,
Check out these comments in "WHERE IS AMERICA IN THE LAST DAYS?", then go to page 4, and starting at post #70 you will find 5 or 6 posts argueing the point there. You can find my 2 cents there, somewhere.
 
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;) Post number 37, see www.homestead.com/PROPHECYCENTER/prophecycenter.html or www.geocities.com/leecin82007/PROPHECY_CENTER.html and Rollin Thunder- you and I have been talking to each other today, huh?!- I haven't had chance to check your stand on America in Prophecy yet, but I do think the USA is the harlot of Babylon, and probably New York City is the city mentioned in conjunction. But that's another topic, and will probably generate a whole NEW bunch of responses. Not really fair to stick it here, but I did. :o
 
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