Then list them. Should we use sex in the church for worship? No, because there is explicit commands against it.
If the people in here would but just take an honest look at what I have presented in here they would clearly see that musical instruments are not authorized for us to use in worship today.
So anyone from anywhere who uses musical instruments is not taking an honest look at things?
I have answerd all the arguements that were brought forward and shown the error with this erronious arugements.
Lets review shall we.
With this first arguement I showed how we are to respect the silence of scripture. I also pointed out that when God told Noah to use Gopher wood to build the ark this excluded all other kinds of wood. When Gods word tells us in Col 3:16 and Eph 5:19 to sing and to make the melody in our hearts then that is what we are suppose to do and this excludes everything else. I went into great detail what the difference between an AID and ADDITION. Song books and song leaders are aids but musical instruments are an addition because they make another noise and they are something other than vocal music. They can not teach, speak or admonish anyone. You first arguement was corrected.
You went into detail about aid and addition, but I cannot see how they are listed in the NT. Care to show me from where you get this information? Where do you see that instruments are specifically an addition, and not an aid to praise? Where's your Biblical evidence?
I stated with this one that this used to be a favorite arguement a long time in public debate. It however no longer is used because of all the evidence that has been brought up about the word Psallo. I have clearly shown what the word Psallo meant during the 1st century times. In fact I showed you how than not one single ancient text defined Psallo during the NT times meaning an musical instrument. When an instrument is intended, the instrument is named. Paul was inspired to name the heart in eph 5:19. Our singing is to be accompanied by melody made with the heart. But a mechanical instrument is not implied by "psallo". If "psallo" included the instrument, then all would need to both sing and play an instrument in order to obey Eph 5:19. It would be wrong to sing spiritual songs without an instrument and Paul and Silias were out of line to sing in prison unless they had mechanical instruments. Then you came up with a desprate answer and said they might of been bang their chains together. I must say that was quit funny and pathetic at the same time.
You ignored the fact that Paul himself used a Psalm to praise God. Why wouldn't they have banged their chains together? It is funny how only a few modern theologians agree with your use of psallo, and how the majority of them are lined up with your denomination. Strong;,Berry, Bauer, Arndt and Gingrich, Pickering, Groves, Parkhurst, Dunbar, Greenfield, Maltby, and Hamilton all agree that psallo may include instmental music.
In fact, all you have to do is check out the Septuagint - the Greek translation of the OT. How is the word Psallo used? That should clear some things up for you.
Paul writes in Romans 16:9 - "so that the Gentiles may glorify God for his mercy, as it is written:
"Therefore I will praise you among the Gentiles;
I will sing hymns to your name."
The word for sing hymns in the Hebrew is zamar - which literally means to make music, including playing an instrument - it shares a root with another Hebrew word, which is also pronounced similarly, which means to strike with the fingers.
Therefore, can we not assume that Paul, who had a great knowledge of Hebrew, as he was schooled in the language, understood that psallo and zamar were similar? Why or why not?
I also noted the fact that mutiple of denomination leaders in the past condemend the use of musical instruements and I showed from Lexicons, music historians, and enyclopedias that musical instruments were not introduced until around the 6th century and was not genrally accepted until after 1100 and in other places after the 1800s. I did not list them but I could also show proof from the early Church fathers that they were not used. Anyway you want to look at it this arguement is also corrected.
They also believed in infant baptism, but we don't do that - this is an argument from authority, and unless we are willing to accept all they say, it is a hollow affair.
I could of easily corrected this arguement with 1 verse. First I pointed out that the old law which included the 10 commandments and the Psalms and those 600 + laws were nailed to the cross when Christ died. Col 2:14. I showed with many verses that we are no longer under the old law and the commandments that are in it. We can not pull things that were acceptable to God in worship like musical instruements and animal sacrifices and bring them over into the new law/convenant. When a new law comes into effect the old law becomes obsolete and we are to keep those things and follow those things specified in the new law of Christ. [/color]
Really quick let me correct your arguement.
Luke 24:44 Then He said to them, "These are the words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things must be fulfilled which were written in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms concerning Me."
Hmm.. Wonder why he adds after Psalms "concerning me." There are prophecies from the Psalms that he fulfilled. Would instruments fall under that?
And I'll even give you Revelations, although I think that we can take a principle from apocalyptic literature, even though you do not.
I find it a real shame today that people are more interested in what makes them feel good or what keeps them entertained instead of searhing the word of God to see what HE wants and what HE AUTHORIZES.
And you deny that the Holy Spirit can authorize things that are not mentioned in the Word.
Man always seems to think he or she can do things better than God and then they add to his word and worship with foriegn things not authorized. Man tries to justify things by saying well if it feels good it has to be right. Man tries to look at what is sociable acceptable for the times instead of looking at what God finds acceptable.
Empty rhetoric. Many, many people say this about the Church of Christ.
It seems so clear to me that God wants us to be spiritual and wants things to come from our heart. He is not interested in some musical instrument he wants the words and praises coming from your heart flowing out over your lips as you sing with your brethern.
More rhetoric. Empty.
We went from old law worship which involved lost of physical things to spirtual worship under the new covenant. I just ask all of you to really think about what is important to God and not important to you. Alot of people simply would not worship at a place if there wasnt musical instruments there to make them FEEL a certain way and this is just plain wrong. They have their heart in the wrong place and are selfish and thinking of themselves instead of God.
So if the Holy Spirit provided true authorization for instrumental worship, and somehow you could prove it, how would you reply?
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