just another jewellery thread

JohnMarsten · Aug 22, 2011

In genesis I find the story of Isaacs soon to be wife getting a nose ring!

Wow? thats jewellery I guess, and then what kind of jewellery... I mean if I had a wife or daughter and stuff and was a very conservative adventist not wanting them to wear any jewellery at all, I think I would have to fight against ear rings, bracelets or chains but certainly nobody would have the insolency to propose wearing a nose ring??

What do you think about those ancient times, with people wearing nose rings? and its not like they were primitive, they were talking to God directly at the time (abraham, and why would he send somebody with a nose ring (as a wedding gift))??

k4c · Aug 22, 2011

JohnMarsten said:
In genesis I find the story of Isaacs soon to be wife getting a nose ring!

Wow? thats jewellery I guess, and then what kind of jewellery... I mean if I had a wife or daughter and stuff and was a very conservative adventist not wanting them to wear any jewellery at all, I think I would have to fight against ear rings, bracelets or chains but certainly nobody would have the insolency to propose wearing a nose ring??

What do you think about those ancient times, with people wearing nose rings? and its not like they were primitive, they were talking to God directly at the time (abraham, and why would he send somebody with a nose ring (as a wedding gift))??

Wearing jewelry, in itself, is not sinful and ANYONE who tells you differently they are NOT speaking for God.

Drinking fermented wine, in itself, is not sinful and if ANYONE says differenlty they are NOT speaking for God.

Dancing, in itself, is not sinful and if ANYONE tells you differently they are NOT speaking for God.

Eating meat is not sinful nor are you more holy if you don't eat meat and if ANYONE tells you differently they are NOT speaking for God.

JohnMarsten · Aug 22, 2011

k4c said:
Wearing jewelry, in itself, is not sinful and ANYONE who tells you differently they are NOT speaking for God.

Drinking fermented wine, in itself, is not sinful and if ANYONE says differenlty they are NOT speaking for God.

Dancing, in itself, is not sinful and if ANYONE tells you differently they are NOT speaking for God.

Eating meat is not sinful nor are you more holy if you don't eat meat and if ANYONE tells you differently they are NOT speaking for God.

thanks for that K4C...

personally I agree with you, but then... do you have an opinion on why these things are so much of value for the SDA? I mean, if these things are not sinful as such, and definitely would make the christian life more colorful... why is it that these things are quite forbidden and as far as alcohol is concerned a vow before being baptized. Be honest k4C, have you been baptized?? Did you have to say you will not drink alcohol?? did you vow??

k4c · Aug 22, 2011

JohnMarsten said:
thanks for that K4C...

personally I agree with you, but then... do you have an opinion on why these things are so much of value for the SDA? I mean, if these things are not sinful as such, and definitely would make the christian life more colorful... why is it that these things are quite forbidden and as far as alcohol is concerned a vow before being baptized. Be honest k4C, have you been baptized?? Did you have to say you will not drink alcohol?? did you vow??

Prior to my baptism I had to attend classes with a couple of other people. We studied from the Amazing Facts study guides. I really didn't even realize all the wine and jewelry stuff was in the study guide. When we got to the wine part I voiced my thoughts and the teacher didn't have a leg to stand on and then we moved on to the next study that I had a problem with, which was jewelry. Again I voiced my thoughts and the teacher didn't have a leg to stand on then we moved on. I even made an issue about having to believe in a trinity God as a baptismal requirement. At my baptism I didn't have to agree to any behavioral stuff.

I think it's wrong to attach any behavioral or denominaltional stuff to baptismal vows. I also believe it's wrong to connect baptism with church membership. Receiving Jesus as Lord and Savior is always right, but church doctrines or church behavior may not always be right so we should never attach church membership with baptism.

tall73 · Aug 22, 2011

Luk 15:22 But the father said to his servants, 'Bring quickly the best robe, and put it on him, and put a ring on his hand, and shoes on his feet.

k4c · Aug 22, 2011

tall73 said:
Luk 15:22 But the father said to his servants, 'Bring quickly the best robe, and put it on him, and put a ring on his hand, and shoes on his feet.

The word, ring, in the original language means grape juice...

Princessdi · Aug 22, 2011

LOL!!! So k4c, he put a drinkin his hand? LOL!!!

k4c said:
The word, ring, in the original language means grape juice...

Revelantion21:10 · Aug 22, 2011

This is God talking to Israel in Ezekiel Chapter 16:

"I clothed thee also with broidered work, and shod thee with badgers' skin, and I girded thee about with fine linen, and I covered thee with silk. I decked thee also with ornaments, and I put bracelets upon thy hands, and a chain on thy neck. And I put a jewel on thy forehead, and earrings in thine ears, and a beautiful crown upon thine head. Thus wast thou decked with gold and silver; and thy raiment was of fine linen, and silk, and broidered work; thou didst eat fine flour, and honey, and oil: and thou wast exceeding beautiful, and thou didst prosper into a kingdom."

If God did it then it is NOT sin.

Best Scripture for it.

Princessdi · Aug 22, 2011

I likes that! :clap:

JohnMarsten · Aug 23, 2011

k4c said:
Prior to my baptism I had to attend classes with a couple of other people. We studied from the Amazing Facts study guides. I really didn't even realize all the wine and jewelry stuff was in the study guide. When we got to the wine part I voiced my thoughts and the teacher didn't have a leg to stand on and then we moved on to the next study that I had a problem with, which was jewelry. Again I voiced my thoughts and the teacher didn't have a leg to stand on then we moved on. I even made an issue about having to believe in a trinity God as a baptismal requirement. At my baptism I didn't have to agree to any behavioral stuff.

I think it's wrong to attach any behavioral or denominaltional stuff to baptismal vows. I also believe it's wrong to connect baptism with church membership. Receiving Jesus as Lord and Savior is always right, but church doctrines or church behavior may not always be right so we should never attach church membership with baptism.

funny story... it seems adventism is more liberal...

u know... before my baptizm we also had those classes... and when it came to the alcohol part (cant remember anything about jewellery) I shared my doubts and the teacher couldnt really convince anyone and stuff... but he made us know that we couldnt be baptized since this was a church requirement whatsoever... at the time I was so fascinated with the Lord that it didnt really matter to me, after my baptizm I started to study things more carefully...

JohnMarsten · Aug 23, 2011

k4c said:
The word, ring, in the original language means grape juice...

good one...!

OntheDL · Aug 23, 2011

I'm sure you can support almost any idea of your choice if you take some isolated passages without harmonizing with the rest of the bible.

Can a symbol of authority/approval in a parable justify wearing jewelry without the support of the entire bible?

"Then Jacob said unto his household, and to all that were with him, Put away the strange gods that are among you, and be clean, and change your garments: And let us arise, and go up to Bethel; and I will make there an altar unto God, who answered me in the day of my distress, and was with me in the way which I went.
And they gave unto Jacob all the strange gods which were in their hand, and all their earrings which were in their ears; and Jacob hid them under the oak which was by Shechem."

"In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; "

EastCoastRemnant · Aug 23, 2011

OntheDL said:
I'm sure you can support almost any idea of your choice if you take some isolated passages without harmonizing with the rest of the bible.

Can a symbol of authority/approval in a parable justify wearing jewelry without the support of the entire bible?

"Then Jacob said unto his household, and to all that were with him, Put away the strange gods that are among you, and be clean, and change your garments: And let us arise, and go up to Bethel; and I will make there an altar unto God, who answered me in the day of my distress, and was with me in the way which I went.
And they gave unto Jacob all the strange gods which were in their hand, and all their earrings which were in their ears; and Jacob hid them under the oak which was by Shechem."

"In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; "

The issue is whether jewelery is a form of idolatry. To the Israelites in Jacobs day, it was, and the NT passage is to guard us from making worldly adornments an idol for ourselves... the sin is idolatry not the objects.

k4c · Aug 23, 2011

OntheDL said:
I'm sure you can support almost any idea of your choice if you take some isolated passages without harmonizing with the rest of the bible.

Can a symbol of authority/approval in a parable justify wearing jewelry without the support of the entire bible?

"Then Jacob said unto his household, and to all that were with him, Put away the strange gods that are among you, and be clean, and change your garments: And let us arise, and go up to Bethel; and I will make there an altar unto God, who answered me in the day of my distress, and was with me in the way which I went.
And they gave unto Jacob all the strange gods which were in their hand, and all their earrings which were in their ears; and Jacob hid them under the oak which was by Shechem."

"In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; "

You can find verses that speak evil of jewelry and you can find verses that speak good of jewely and eveytime it's never the jewelry itself, just as ECR stated, but rather, it's always the attitude of the heart.

Read the verse you quoted carefully, reagarding braided hair. The thoughts being expressed are to not let your appearance be merely in what you wear outwardly but let it also be inwardly. In otherwords, don't just be beautiful outwardly, be beautiful inwardly too.

Last week a lady in our church was baptized. She was fairly new to the church. She would come to service wearing moderate jewelry and just enough makeup. She loved the Lord and was always helping around pot luck. I saw her in church after her baptism and she had no jewelry or makeup. She looked pale and very plain looking but she was still a very nice lady and was still helping at pot luck and I was thinking," Wow! Is this what a true christian looks like outwardly, sickly pale and plain?"

EastCoastRemnant · Aug 23, 2011

k4c said:
You can find verses that speak evil of jewelry and you can find verses that speak good of jewely and eveytime it's never the jewelry itself, just as ECR stated, but rather, it's always the attitude of the heart.

Read the verse you quoted carefully, reagarding braided hair. The thoughts being expressed are to not let your appearance be merely in what you wear outwardly but let it also be inwardly. In otherwords, don't just be beautiful outwardly, be beautiful inwardly too.

Last week a lady in our church was baptized. She was fairly new to the church. She would come to service wearing moderate jewelry and just enough makeup. She loved the Lord and was always helping around pot luck. I saw her in church after her baptism and she had no jewelry or makeup. She looked pale and very plain looking but she was still a very nice lady and was still helping at pot luck and I was thinking," Wow! Is this what a true christian looks like outwardly, sickly pale and plain?"

God's makeup, a good glow from being in the sun, is the most attractive, imo.

OntheDL · Aug 23, 2011

EastCoastRemnant said:
The issue is whether jewelery is a form of idolatry. To the Israelites in Jacobs day, it was, and the NT passage is to guard us from making worldly adornments an idol for ourselves... the sin is idolatry not the objects.

The root of the Jewelry is idolatry. And today people still wear them for astrological or zodiac good charm/protection. Paul's advice for Christians is not wearing them for the reason of modesty.

k4c · Aug 23, 2011

OntheDL said:
The root of the Jewelry is idolatry. And today people still wear them for astrological or zodiac good charm/protection. Paul's advice for Christians is not wearing them for the reason of modesty.

Jewelry has no root but idolatry has one and it ain't jewelry though it can be at times.

OntheDL · Aug 23, 2011

k4c said:
Jewelry has no root but idolatry has one and it ain't jewelry though it can be at times.

How about the reason of modesty not to wear jewelry Paul gave?

k4c · Aug 23, 2011

OntheDL said:
How about the reason of modesty not to wear jewelry Paul gave?

You have to listen carefully to what Paul is saying. He is saying don't let merely the outward be your beauty but let the inward be also.

Byfaithalone1 · Aug 23, 2011

k4c said:
The word, ring, in the original language means grape juice...

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