Would someone with a college education explain this, please?

AV1611VET · Aug 18, 2011

Exodus 17:11 And it came to pass, when Moses held up his hand, that Israel prevailed: and when he let down his hand, Amalek prevailed.

Nostromo · Aug 18, 2011

It's a line from a book, AV, probably comes right after Exodus 17:10 at a guess.

Freodin · Aug 18, 2011

AV1611VET said:
Exodus 17:11 And it came to pass, when Moses held up his hand, that Israel prevailed: and when he let down his hand, Amalek prevailed.

Assuming that it even happened... inspiring leadership.

Wiccan_Child · Aug 18, 2011

AV1611VET said:
Exodus 17:11 And it came to pass, when Moses held up his hand, that Israel prevailed: and when he let down his hand, Amalek prevailed.

A line from a myth describing an event that never happened. Simple.

FrenchyBearpaw · Aug 18, 2011

AV1611VET said:
Exodus 17:11 And it came to pass, when Moses held up his hand, that Israel prevailed: and when he let down his hand, Amalek prevailed.

Exodus is not generally considered to be an historical narrative, but rather propaganda encouraging the supremacy of one ethnic group over another. This mythical passage describes the hero of the Israelites, Moses, as he musters the strength and courage to hold up his hands, thereby procuring the favor of their god. In so doing, they were able to extirpate their rival ethnic group. It could be argued that this narrative demonstrates the capricious nature of Moses' god, as the genocide of an ethnic group depends on the physical conditioning of one man.

roach · Aug 18, 2011

AV1611VET said:
Exodus 17:11 And it came to pass, when Moses held up his hand, that Israel prevailed: and when he let down his hand, Amalek prevailed.

What don't you understand? (btw, college only teaches how to be more critical, ,not less)

Nathan Poe · Aug 18, 2011

AV1611VET said:
Exodus 17:11 And it came to pass, when Moses held up his hand, that Israel prevailed: and when he let down his hand, Amalek prevailed.

A very large-scale game of Red Light/Green Light?

AV1611VET · Aug 18, 2011

roach said:
(btw, college only teaches how to be more critical, ,not less)

I've only been saying that for 5 years here.

Nathan Poe · Aug 18, 2011

AV1611VET said:
I've only been saying that for 5 years here.

Probably railing against it for a lot longer -- not that anyone particularly cares.

Nostromo · Aug 18, 2011

Why someone with a college education, dare I ask?

AV1611VET · Aug 18, 2011

Nostromo said:
Why someone with a college education, dare I ask?

I'm just wondering how higher academia explains it; if at all.

Jazer · Aug 18, 2011

FrenchyBearpaw said:
It could be argued that this narrative demonstrates the capricious nature of Moses' god, as the genocide of an ethnic group depends on the physical conditioning of one man.

Wow are you against God? Isn't that kind of dangerous? Did you read the story? Isreal had left Egypt and they were camping out in the "Desert of Sin" and the Amalekites came out and attacked them. How do you twist and pervert that into "genocide of an ethnic group"? Does Isreal not have the right to defend themselves when people come out to attack them?

Jazer · Aug 18, 2011

AV1611VET said:
I'm just wondering how higher academia explains it; if at all.

It's up to the Pastor to explain it. That is what they do is take the sunday school lessons and explain their meaning and how we apply the lesson to our lives today. Pastors have to actually live the Christian life as an example for others. It is a lot to ask to be able to explain the Bible and all the Shaddows and Types and be able to live the Christian life as an example for others.

Skavau · Aug 18, 2011

Jazer, you seemed surprised at what Frenchy said. Have you heard of the term 'anti-theist'?

AV1611VET · Aug 18, 2011

Jazer said:
It's up to the Pastor to explain it.

It's up to higher academia to explain it too, if I read 2 Timothy 3:16 correctly; but I'm more concerned with those who have walked the secular halls of academia, and picked up some serious Egyptology (i.e. mundane learning about the world).

People here can yak all day about E and MC[sup]2[/sup]; but if they can't give me a simple interpretation to a simple passage in the Bible, then their chatter don't matter.

Jazer · Aug 18, 2011

Skavau said:
Jazer, you seemed surprised at what Frenchy said. Have you heard of the term 'anti-theist'?

Theism is man trying to understand God. It is one thing to be against theism and mans attempt to try to understand God. It is another thing to actually be against God Himself. The Bible does tell us that there are people that make themeselves an enemy of God. "Whoever therefore wants to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God". James 4: 4

I just wonder about Pascals wager. Better to be agnostic just in case there is a God. If your against God and there really is a God, then you are the enemy of the most powerful force that ever was. Perhaps his 30 years of belief in a loving careing forgiveing God has an effect on his beliefs now.

Nostromo · Aug 18, 2011

AV1611VET said:
I'm just wondering how higher academia explains it; if at all.

You seem to have a very naive view of education. I'm sure Archbishop Rowan Williams and Stephen Hawking would have very different opinions, though both are graduates of Cambridge University.

Jazer · Aug 18, 2011

AV1611VET said:
It's up to higher academia to explain it too,

You have to go to Bible college to learn how to explain the Bible. They do not teach that in secular college. There are Eight Rules of Bible Interpretation. Where is there a state college that would teach even the most basic of rules?

Skavau · Aug 18, 2011

Jazer said:
Theism is man trying to understand God. It is one thing to be against theism and mans attempt to try to understand God. It is another thing to actually be against God Himself. The Bible does tell us that there are people that make themeselves an enemy of God. "Whoever therefore wants to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God". James 4: 4

I just wonder about Pascals wager. Better to be agnostic just in case there is a God. If your against God and there really is a God, then you are the enemy of the most powerful force that ever was. Perhaps his 30 years of belief in a loving careing forgiveing God has an effect on his beliefs now.

You make my argument for me. If you even have to reference Pascal's Wager as reasonable then you give excellent reason to be against God. A God that would impose eternal torment on those who could not believe in him is not a God that can be coherently described as loving, caring or forgiving.

I mean, do you not see something self-serving and dishonest about believing in something purely to avoid punishment? Is that the kind of relationship with God that you want to advocate to non-theists?

AV1611VET · Aug 18, 2011

Nostromo said:
You seem to have a very view of education.

-- A what?

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