Watch a big creationist event LIVE!

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I might, but I doubt I will.
I blame having watched Ray Comfort and Kent Hovind in the name of objectivity, It still makes my stomach turn and my forehead hurt. (If you ever seen either of them you might see how the one can be put off from ever seeing another apologist again.)
As die-hard of a creationist as I am, I dislike Kent Hovind's style of presentation. I view him as a caricature of the true creationist cause, unfortunately often touted as the perfect symbol for the poorness of the creationist cause. Some of Ray Comfort's arguments could hardly be labelled as very sound either. I challenge you to consider instead some of the world's leading creationists and apologists (still imperfect humans, of course) who will be speaking at this event.
 
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There's also quite a bit of excitement brewing over a giant sasquatchfest being held in the Pacific Northwest. Researchers and such all coming together to discuss something else that is obviously false too.

I would guess the same sort of thing goes on for the Loch Ness Monster as well.

It doesn't matter how many people you get to listen or attend. There's no magic number that, once crossed, will make your belief true. Creationism is never going to be true. It wouldn't matter if you had a billion people at the "conference".

So I really don't know what you're so excited about. You don't allow for thought. If it doesn't agree with the Bible then it's false. So what's to discuss? Presentations on how Darwin is wrong, how science is being misinterpreted, how not to mention God when mentioning God... sounds like a rousing good time.
True, numbers aren't the most important thing. The message is what counts and that is what you seem to shy away from. Listen this upcoming week and see if it really is as bad as it sounds.
 
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Predictions about the contents of a future event are hardly meant to be objective. Given the overwhelming record creationist's lack of ability to give good answers to questions regarding their beliefs, I think it's a pretty safe bet. (unless they are here to unveil some new evidence, or the questions are all screened)
I repeat. Ask and see for yourself. I'm not predicting anything as though it were set in concrete. (God could end this world at any time, ya know.) I'm inviting objectivity.
 
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Will you just be agreeing with what they say or will you be listening to what they say and thinking about it?
What they have to say is definitely worth thinking about, since some of them (like Jonathan Sarfati) delve deeply into apologetic and logic.
 
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I repeat. Ask and see for yourself. I'm not predicting anything as though it were set in concrete. (God could end this world at any time, ya know.) I'm inviting objectivity.
I'm not sure what good that would do. I know plenty about creationist beliefs. Most of the questions I would ask couldn't be answered honestly (or couldn't be answered) unless they are bringing some new evidence forward, (or anything new) in which case I would be interested to see what they have.
 
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Not really. Too much data seen in a research conferences and nobody really care about them. Can you imagine all those junk data get pumped out every year? My under students can even fill a 4x8 poster with data and analyses.

I would say the creation conference is more exciting. They may not have enough data, but they certainly give a lot of good ideas. Too bad that I am too far away from this one.

The one large scientific conference I presented at was a hotbed for controversy. There is hardly anything more exciting than old grisled immunologists and young hot-shots arguing over the role of T regulatory cells in immune reactions. It's like going to a Star Trek convention and seeing the Picard vs. Kirk crowds at it. There is so much passion, I love it.
 
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The one large scientific conference I presented at was a hotbed for controversy. There is hardly anything more exciting than old grisled immunologists and young hot-shots arguing over the role of T regulatory cells in immune reactions. It's like going to a Star Trek convention and seeing the Picard vs. Kirk crowds at it. There is so much passion, I love it.

That is fine. But the net effect is approximately similar to seeing a show or a movie. If you could, go for a few more, then you will see what I mean.
 
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What they have to say is definitely worth thinking about, since some of them (like Jonathan Sarfati) delve deeply into apologetic and logic.
What the speakers will know is that they can say what they like and they will never be pulled on anything,
creationists believe what they are told and are not even slightly interested in whether it's true or not.

Of course you will not believe that and I wouldn't expect you to, but please be honest, have you ever heard a creationists say that they have checked something and what they are being told is not true? even if an 'Evolutionist' says it's wrong not one creationist checks to see if there is any truth in what the 'Evolutionist' is saying, that's why it's so easy to be a creationist speaker, they only need to make it sound scientific and technical and they're home dry because they know that what they say will never be checked by any creationists.

Have you EVER heard one creationist contradict another creationist? even the banana man was not contradicted even though he made a complete fool of himself, he had to come clean himself and say he was wrong.
 
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That is fine. But the net effect is approximately similar to seeing a show or a movie. If you could, go for a few more, then you will see what I mean.

As far as the science presented, most posters are either preliminary data or pilot studies for publications, so you get to see a lot of the up and coming research in your field. A lot of great networking happens at conferences like that.

I was a lowly student researcher who did pretty niche work, and even I made contacts and interacted with other researchers who had a lot of constructive things to say. It was a great experience, and wasn't entirely theatrical like the big talks can be.

Scientific conferences are awesome and productive. It helps to get out of the lab and the papers and network, see what your colleagues are doing, and immerse yourself in the rest of the science in your field. Research is getting so specialized, that it helps to return to the big picture now and then. Conferences are a great way to do that.
 
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What the speakers will know is that they can say what they like and they will never be pulled ...
Interesting word choice.

Did you mean "polled"?

Or did you in fact mean "pulled" -- as in what they did to Bob Larson in Winnipeg?

Bob Larson vs Winnipeg

There are two people here that want me outright banned -- no warnings, no infractions, just 'pulled'.
 
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Don't forget S.E.T.I. and the LHC, which have (or had) scientists falling over each other at one time to be the first on the block to claim a real one.

But -- after all -- if it's something not officially sanctioned by a bored of scientists, it's worth ridicule, isn't it?

In other words, scientists will tell us if and when there was a WWF,* not the other way around.

* That stands for World-Wide Flood to those of you who have a college degree.
We already know there was NOT a world-wide flood. Scientists in the 1800s first found that the geology didn't agree with the Biblical account. As we've learned more and more we discovered that information gathered in many different disciplines falsify the account.

S.E.T.I. continues to listen to the universe. Perhaps they'll hear something, perhaps not. Nothing unscientific about listening.

The LHC is performing experiments as we post. Nothing unscientific about that either.

I'm sorry your Bible isn't true and scientists are the ones who generally have tell you. You could find out yourself if you wanted. You just don't want to.
 
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What the speakers will know is that they can say what they like and they will never be pulled on anything,
creationists believe what they are told and are not even slightly interested in whether it's true or not.

Of course you will not believe that and I wouldn't expect you to, but please be honest, have you ever heard a creationists say that they have checked something and what they are being told is not true? even if an 'Evolutionist' says it's wrong not one creationist checks to see if there is any truth in what the 'Evolutionist' is saying, that's why it's so easy to be a creationist speaker, they only need to make it sound scientific and technical and they're home dry because they know that what they say will never be checked by any creationists.

Have you EVER heard one creationist contradict another creationist? even the banana man was not contradicted even though he made a complete fool of himself, he had to come clean himself and say he was wrong.

Interesting word choice.

Did you mean "polled"?

Or did you in fact mean "pulled" -- as in what they did to Bob Larson in Winnipeg?

Bob Larson vs Winnipeg

There are two people here that want me outright banned -- no warnings, no infractions, just 'pulled'.
'Pulled' as in checked as to the truthfulness of their statements, they tell lies knowing that creationists will NEVER EVER check to see if they are TELLING LIES, they know that creationists are gullible.
It also helps them to know that creationist want to believe what they're telling them with all of their hearts so they just pile it on, lie after lie half truth after half truth.

It tells you what Ray Comfort thinks about creationists when he thinks they are so stupid they would buy his banana garbage, and he was right they did.
He is making millions from creationist stupidity and gullibility and it would appear AV1611VET that you are standing right at the front.
 
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It tells you what Ray Comfort thinks about creationists when he thinks they are so stupid they would buy his banana garbage, and he was right they did.
He is making millions from creationist stupidity and gullibility and it would appear AV1611VET that you are standing right at the front.
Excuse me, newbie, you [apparently] have no idea what I stand for, or what I've said in the past.

I've said this before, and I'll say it again.

These banana videos, and peanut butter videos, and Intelligent Design videos, and all this other junk that is propagated to reinforce Genesis 1 can all take a hike.

They are nothing more than object lessons to make the point that God, indeed, orchestrated the Creation.

When I hear preachers say stuff like, "If evolution were true, why are there still monkeys around?", and the congregation yelling "AMEN! PREACH IT, BROTHER!", I just look down and feel sorry for those who think they are getting supplemental reinforcements to the tune of ignorant points.

What should be done, in my opinion, is simply quote the Bible, and let the Bible speak for Itself.

If people truly took a BIBLE SAYS IT, THAT SETTLES IT approach, they wouldn't need all this other reinforcing.
 
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Excuse me, newbie, you [apparently] have no idea what I stand for, or what I've said in the past.

I've said this before, and I'll say it again.

These banana videos, and peanut butter videos, and Intelligent Design videos, and all this other junk that is propagated to reinforce Genesis 1 can all take a hike.

They are nothing more than object lessons to make the point that God, indeed, orchestrated the Creation.

When I hear preachers say stuff like, "If evolution were true, why are there still monkeys around?", and the congregation yelling "AMEN! PREACH IT, BROTHER!", I just look down and feel sorry for those who think they are getting supplemental reinforcements to the tune of ignorant points.

What should be done, in my opinion, is simply quote the Bible, and let the Bible speak for Itself.

If people truly took a BIBLE SAYS IT, THAT SETTLES IT approach, they wouldn't need all this other reinforcing.
Then why don't you set up another branch of creationism? you could at least get away from all of those sad deluded people, or better yet ask questions of the people telling them that garbage., no don't do that you could get yourself killed.

PS. The word 'newbie' does not have the same effect on this side of the pond, in fact it just tells us that you are on the back foot before you even start.
 
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Then why don't you set up another branch of creationism?
Have you, by any chance, read my profile?
you could at least get away from all of those sad deluded people
I don't want to 'get away from all those sad deluded people'. They are my brothers and sisters in Christ, and I love them very much.
or better yet ask questions of the people telling them that garbage., no don't do that you could get yourself killed.
I'm not called to be a missionary to evangelists; and I'm not sure what you mean by 'get yourself killed'.
PS. The word 'newbie' does not have the same effect on this side of the pond, in fact it just tells us that you are on the back foot before you even start.
I point out to a person that he's a newbie, when he thinks he knows what I stand for and don't stand for; and his caption is reading, "newbie".

Are you consol?
 
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Have you, by any chance, read my profile?
No I haven't.
I don't want to 'get away from all those sad deluded people'. They are my brothers and sisters in Christ, and I love them very much.
Do you love them enough to try and ensure that they are only told the truth? or are you happy to hear them continually told garbage?
I'm not called to be a missionary to evangelists; and I'm not sure what you mean by 'get yourself killed'.
You don't need to be a missionary to ask questions, there is a lot of money to be made from creationists so obstacles are often removed to allow that to continue, if you became an obstacle you could well be removed, a lot more has been done for a lot less.
I point out to a person that he's a newbie, when he thinks he knows what I stand for and don't stand for; and his caption is reading, "newbie".
So you don't point it out to someone who has been around for a while even if they think they know what you stand for? calling people names is like shouting, you have started to lose the argument.
Are you consol?
Who is consol and why do you ask? what has that got to do with the questions I asked? surely questions are questions no matter who asks them?
 
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Do you love them enough to try and ensure that they are only told the truth?
When a preacher is preaching, and he says something scientific that is wrong, it is not -- and should not be -- kosher to go around correcting him all the time.

The simple reason being, that it's usually not that big of a deal.

My pastor, for example has mentioned the light of the sun reaching us in about 4 seconds.

But it's not that big of a deal, when he's talking about the splendor of the solar system.

I did however happen to say something to him about it afterwards; and we both laughed it off.
 
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When a preacher is preaching, and he says something scientific that is wrong, it is not -- and should not be -- kosher to go around correcting him all the time.

The simple reason being, that it's usually not that big of a deal.
So you really didn't mean this then?

"When I hear preachers say stuff like, "If evolution were true, why are there still monkeys around?", and the congregation yelling "AMEN! PREACH IT, BROTHER!", I just look down and feel sorry for those who think they are getting supplemental reinforcements to the tune of ignorant points."

How about when you listen to the likes of Kent Hovine and Ken Ham do they make you feel good or bad about creationism?

For me they make me feel sick to my stomach just thinking that there are people out there who believe them.
 
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