Is Genesis consistent with mainstream scientific knowledge??

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Do you have any idea what your point even is?
Sure do.

You: Appealing to authority is a logical fallacy.

NASA scientists: Administration did it!

NASA administration: Don't come to us! That's a logical fallacy! You designed it. You built it. You installed it. You take the blame.
 
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Sure do.

You: Appealing to authority is a logical fallacy.

NASA scientists: Administration did it!

NASA administration: Don't come to us! That's a logical fallacy! You designed it. You built it. You installed it. You take the blame.
And your point is?
 
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Sure do.

You: Appealing to authority is a logical fallacy.

NASA scientists: Administration did it!

NASA administration: Don't come to us! That's a logical fallacy! You designed it. You built it. You installed it. You take the blame.

So you thought you might as well add a red herring to the list?
 
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Appeal to authority is a logical fallacy. This is what separates science from religion.

Hehe! It is not a logical fallacy to ask you to qualify yourself when you are criticizing a man who holds a professorship at MIT. A man who holds degrees in both Biology and Physics. A man who, though you didn't have the integrity to watch the video, but saw fit to whine and criticize him, reading off your atheist seminar handouts: "logical fallacies", "appeals to authority", "wah", "wah", "wah". You use those fallacies like a crutch.

"This is what separates science from religion."
My degree is in Science, and I have no difficulty reconciling that, and my belief in God (Yahweh) and His Son, Jesus (Yeshua). I am far from alone in this.

In closing, let me ask you this:

* What proof and evidence can you supply that proves that Atheism is accurate and correct? (Please be specific.)
 
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But I did like his explainations, quite able to inspire that bit of wonder we should have when really thinking about what we are. I just wish he wouldnt resort to what I considered to be snide remarks and missrepresentations on the side during his explainations that did nothing to further his point.

Here you can read Dr. Schroeder's articles:

Gerald Schroeder
 
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Sure do.

You: Appealing to authority is a logical fallacy.

NASA scientists: Administration did it!

NASA administration: Don't come to us! That's a logical fallacy! You designed it. You built it. You installed it. You take the blame.
You don't know what appeal to authority is do you?

The Argument from Authority is when you point to someone with authority in on subject matter and claim that that particular figure's opinion has a greater truth value than your opponent's because of their qualifications.

It has nothing to do with blame.
 
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What proof and evidence can you supply that proves that Atheism is accurate and correct? (Please be specific.)
You mean prove beyond a reasonable doubt?

Anyway, I have absolutely none. (assuming you meant positive evidence?)

Although on the other hand, I don't need any. You should know that. Given the assumptions imbedded in this question, you need to read the following:

Philosophic burden of proof - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Edit: Oh, and this might help: (Context: someone posted definitions of atheism, claiming that they proved it was a positive belief that there is no God anywhere. It was soon shown that the links said nothing of the sort, thus my last sentence.)

My two cents:

The majority of self described atheists describe their belief as something like: "We don't have enough evidence to conclude that there is a God."

The reasoning is as follows:

When you hear a claim that hasn't met it's burden of proof, you disbelieve it and don't assimilate it into your worldview. The default worldview is one without God. This is because your worldview doesn't start off with things existing, it starts off with them not existing. This isn't changed until you use your senses or reason to establish the thing exists, directly or indirectly.

Under the definition presented (in the dissenting opinion) most atheists are agnostics. That being said, the definition is wrong, as shown in hollyda's post.
 
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Scientists of the Christian Faith: A Presentation of the Pioneers, Practitioners and Supporters of Modern Science.

This listing is by no means definitive, or complete. There are/have been literally thousands of Christians involved in the sciences.

Dr. Francis S. Collins is Director of the National Human Genome Research Institute at the National Institute of Health in Bethesda, Maryland. He currently leads the Human Genome Project, directed at mapping and sequencing all of human DNA, and determining aspects of its function. His previous research has identified the genes responsible for cystic fibrosis, neurofibromatosis, Huntington's disease and Hutchison-Gilford progeria syndrome. He is a member of the Institute of Medicine and the National Academy of Sciences. For the rest of his credentials, click on the link here: http://www.genome.gov/10000980. Collins spoke with Bob Abernethy of PBS, posted online at Religion & Ethics NewsWeekly - Interview with Dr. Francis Collins | PBS, in which he summaries the compatability of fact and faith thusly:

"I think there's a common assumption that you cannot both be a rigorous, show-me-the-data scientist and a person who believes in a personal God. I would like to say that from my perspective that assumption is incorrect; that, in fact, these two areas are entirely compatible and not only can exist within the same person, but can exist in a very synthetic way, and not in a compartmentalized way. I have no reason to see a discordance between what I know as a scientist who spends all day studying the genome of humans and what I believe as somebody who pays a lot of attention to what the Bible has taught me about God and about Jesus Christ. Those are entirely compatible views.

"Science is the way -- a powerful way, indeed -- to study the natural world. Science is not particularly effective -- in fact, it's rather ineffective -- in making commentary about the supernatural world. Both worlds, for me, are quite real and quite important. They are investigated in different ways. They coexist. They illuminate each other. And it is a great joy to be in a position of being able to bring both of those points of view to bear in any given day of the week. The notion that you have to sort of choose one or the other is a terrible myth that has been put forward, and which many people have bought into without really having a chance to examine the evidence. I came to my faith not, actually, in a circumstance where it was drummed into me as a child, which people tend to assume of any scientist who still has a personal faith in God; but actually by a series of compelling, logical arguments, many of them put forward by C. S. Lewis, that got me to the precipice of saying, 'Faith is actually plausible.' You still have to make that step. You will still have to decide for yourself whether to believe. But you can get very close to that by intellect alone."

* This excerpt is linked at the title. It is but a very small part of a large, link rich web site. :study:
 
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"I think there's a common assumption that you cannot both be a rigorous, show-me-the-data scientist and a person who believes in a personal God. I would like to say that from my perspective that assumption is incorrect; that, in fact, these two areas are entirely compatible and not only can exist within the same person, but can exist in a very synthetic way, and not in a compartmentalized way. I have no reason to see a discordance between what I know as a scientist who spends all day studying the genome of humans and what I believe as somebody who pays a lot of attention to what the Bible has taught me about God and about Jesus Christ. Those are entirely compatible views."
As a leader in the Field of Science Collins feels there is no conflict between Science and Religion. Why should there be when Science and Religion are both seeking to know the truth.
 
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You don't know what appeal to authority is do you?

The Argument from Authority is when you point to someone with authority in on subject matter and claim that that particular figure's opinion has a greater truth value than your opponent's because of their qualifications.

It has nothing to do with blame.
Oh, sorry -- thanks for the correction!
 
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As a leader in the Field of Science Collins feels there is no conflict between Science and Religion. Why should there be when Science and Religion are both seeking to know the truth.

Hello Jazer. :)

"It is the glory of God to conceal a matter; to search out a matter is the glory of kings." Proverbs 25:2

From Atheism to Christianity by Dr Francis Collins.flv - YouTube

For a long time, I have wondered about this:

The optimum things that we require for our survival or optimal health are:

  1. water
  2. vegetative foods
  3. fish / fowl (incl eggs)
  4. cattle / beasts (sheep, goats, etc)

* In This Order.

"Coincidentally".......... this is the order of creation! Hmm...
:eheh:

Genesis 1
 
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For a long time, I have wondered about this:

The optimum things that we require for our survival or optimal health are:


  1. water
  2. vegetative foods
  3. fish / fowl (incl eggs)
  4. cattle / beasts (sheep, goats, etc)
* In This Order.

"Coincidentally".......... this is the order of creation! Hmm... :eheh:

Genesis 1

So.. Now gen 1 is not about the actual order of creation, but the order of priority in what things to eat?
I guess that is how you could explain why the order is factually wrong, cause its meant as a menu not a history.(unless you really do want to argue there were birds and whales before mammals)

Don't missunderstand though, there are interpretations that do not conflict with science that I am aware of. Such as the ones held by a few of the people already mentioned in this thread.
It's just I never seen this particular view before.
 
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