Racial Relations in America

MountainCappuccino · Aug 12, 2011

miniverchivi said:
I would think that it stems from one of the following
- childhood indoctrination (something taught to you by the adults in your life when you are young
- a bad experience with someone of a different culture (ie: someone of a different race steals your wallet, now you distrust everyone of that race)
- fear or uneasiness about a culture that's not your own

I'm not sure where the sexual jealousy fits in, care to provide a little more detail?

Racism has traditionally presupposed ownership over the female gender.

...also, I'm assuming by "until males are considered obsolete" you're implying that men are the ones guilty of sexual jealousy??? When did jealousy of any kind become a gender specific trait?

Sexual jealousy is apart of both genders. Only one of them has created discriminating legislation because of it, slits the throats of "outside" males while setting them on fire, etc.
That is to say, while both women and men host jealous feelings, but only one generally uses violence to act out their jealous rage.

Simply_Amazing · Aug 12, 2011

MountainCappuccino said:
Racism has traditionally presupposed ownership over the female gender.

I think the word you're looking for is "sexism".

MountainCappuccino · Aug 12, 2011

Simply_Amazing said:
I think the word you're looking for is "sexism".

No.

Steve Petersen · Aug 12, 2011

AHH who-stole-my-name said:
Will we ever be able to throw off the stigma of racism?

Not as long as someone can use it as a political cudgel to suppress differing opinions.

Simply_Amazing · Aug 12, 2011

MountainCappuccino said:
No.

So what does subjection of women have to do with racism? (besides the fact that a society that has one will often have the other)

ThatRobGuy · Aug 13, 2011

MountainCappuccino said:
Sexual jealousy is apart of both genders. Only one of them has created discriminating legislation because of it, slits the throats of "outside" males while setting them on fire, etc.
That is to say, while both women and men host jealous feelings, but only one generally uses violence to act out their jealous rage.

Yes men are more likely to have a violent encounter, but women are more likely to spread rumors around the office about their target of jealousy being a "harlot" or a whatever other slur they choose and try to ruin their reputation.

...both actions are damaging.

But that point aside, this fails to explain how you're correlating this sexual jealousy with racism.

MountainCappuccino · Aug 13, 2011

Simply_Amazing said:
So what does subjection of women have to do with racism? (besides the fact that a society that has one will often have the other)

It involves ownership of the female reproductive system by the collective "race". The preservation of the "race" relies solely on birth-rates first and foremost.

MountainCappuccino · Aug 13, 2011

miniverchivi said:
Yes men are more likely to have a violent encounter, but women are more likely to spread rumors around the office about their target of jealousy being a "harlot" or a whatever other slur they choose and try to ruin their reputation.

This is true. I've never heard a woman call another woman a harlot because they dated a black male, however.

...both actions are damaging.

Yes... figuratively..sorta

But that point aside, this fails to explain how you're correlating this sexual jealousy with racism.

Racism is only one phenomena created by sexual jealousy.

Simply_Amazing · Aug 13, 2011

MountainCappuccino said:
It involves ownership of the female reproductive system by the collective "race". The preservation of the "race" relies solely on birth-rates first and foremost.

That's not racism. Racism is discrimination based on one's race, not focus on the human race in general.

MountainCappuccino · Aug 13, 2011

Simply_Amazing said:
That's not racism. Racism is discrimination based on one's race, not focus on the human race in general.

Racism is discrimination of another race in favor of one's own.
The primary argument segregationists used against integration was that black male children would be allowed to mingle with white girls and teenagers. That image was enough to conjure up outrage amongst the male population and women subjected to the same standards of "decency".

Simply_Amazing · Aug 13, 2011

MountainCappuccino said:
Racism is discrimination of another race in favor of one's own.

Yes, kinda. It's possible to be racist without favoring your own race.

The primary argument segregationists used against integration was that black male children would be allowed to mingle with white girls and teenagers. That image was enough to conjure up outrage amongst the male population and women subjected to the same standards of "decency".

Sexism: Women shouldn't be allowed to become exposed to X.
Racism: African americans are all X.

Just because the two happened at the same time doesn't make them intertwined. You still aren't making much sense, so another example would be appreciated.

MountainCappuccino · Aug 13, 2011

Simply_Amazing said:
Yes, kinda. It's possible to be racist without favoring your own race.

lol sure

Sexism: Women shouldn't be allowed to become exposed to X.
Racism: African americans are all X.

In this instance, it would be white women should not be exposed to men of another race. The maxim is also applied to males, which is why sexism is not an appropriate label; however, racial violence occurs when it involves a White woman and a Black male.
See Rosewood and "Black Wallstreet" massacres for two examples.

Just because the two happened at the same time doesn't make them intertwined. You still aren't making much sense, so another example would be appreciated.

If you don't get it by now, you probably will not. Racism is not a two dimensional dictionary definition. It involves politics, economics, class, and most importantly, reproduction.

Simply_Amazing · Aug 14, 2011

MountainCappuccino said:
lol sure
In this instance, it would be white women should not be exposed to men of another race. The maxim is also applied to males, which is why sexism is not an appropriate label; however, racial violence occurs when it involves a White woman and a Black male.

This is one example. It's an example where the two collide, not where they are proven to be intertwined. If anything this example exemplifies racism and not sexism.

Cuddles333 · Aug 16, 2011

I think it is when a really hot white girl is seen with her black boyfriend, that a lot of white men realize racial jealousy...which may be an indication that they unconsciously harbored racism. Even with all the time that has went by and as these relationships have been tremendously multiplying, racism seems to have grown with them. There are so many children from interracial couples now that the Census Bureau has been forced to add their racial classification. Still racism is flurishing, howbeit 'under the radar' or subtely.

Racial discrimination in the work place may have it's root in the fear that as black men advance, they will be taking beautiful white women as their wives. Well, it's happening :wave:

Steve Petersen · Aug 16, 2011

Cuddles222 said:
I think it is when a really hot white girl is seen with her black boyfriend, that a lot of white men realize racial jealousy...which may be an indication that they unconsciously harbored racism. Even with all the time that has went by and as these relationships have been tremendously multiplying, racism seems to have grown with them. There are so many children from interracial couples now that the Census Bureau has been forced to add their racial classification. Still racism is flurishing, howbeit 'under the radar' or subtely.

Racial discrimination in the work place may have it's root in the fear that as black men advance, they will be taking beautiful white women as their wives. Well, it's happening

One giant cliche. :doh:

AHH who-stole-my-name · Aug 16, 2011

Cuddles222 said:
I think it is when a really hot white girl is seen with her black boyfriend, that a lot of white men realize racial jealousy...which may be an indication that they unconsciously harbored racism. Even with all the time that has went by and as these relationships have been tremendously multiplying, racism seems to have grown with them. There are so many children from interracial couples now that the Census Bureau has been forced to add their racial classification. Still racism is flurishing, howbeit 'under the radar' or subtely.

Racial discrimination in the work place may have it's root in the fear that as black men advance, they will be taking beautiful white women as their wives. Well, it's happening

Racism is based on not seeing other races as you see yours. It could be hatred or just stereotyping. It is not a male or female thing and it doesn't necessarily a black white thing.

Steve Petersen · Aug 17, 2011

BookCollector said:
Its not racist to oppose mixed marriages. On the contrary its entirely normal to feel attracted to your own kind. If i had kids, i will want them to look like me, not mixed. I don't consider that racist. Furthermore, the definition of racism has changed over the years and is now very hard to define. I should also point out, that although mixed marriages as a trend among liberals - they don't work. Mixed marriages virtually always end up in divorce and the kids grow up with identity problems.

If God had intended that different races not mix, he would have made it impossible for them to procreate together.

Cross a horse and a donkey and you get a mule, which is sterile and can't reproduce.

There is no similar problem between members of the same species.

MountainCappuccino · Aug 17, 2011

BookCollector said:
Races evolved isolated and in a tribalistic society. This natural tribal instinct is still in all races. Look throughout history and you will see all the wars that have occurred over land when races or ethnic-groups clash. Take a look at a prison, everyone in prison is segregated in regards to race, you have the latinos, blacks and whites all in their own groups. No mixing. This is the natural tribal instinct. The west however has been damaged by the multicultural or multiracial experiment which wants to mix us all. Doesn't work. The recent riots across England were all race related because England has become a giant melting pot of tension between different races and cultures, much like the rest of Europe. And of course America has its problems.

This ignores the millions of other ways people choose to segregate themselves from others.

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