Salvation and my hypocrisy.

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faceofbear, you are in a very dangerous place. I have a friend of work that has a very similar story to yours. He is now an open apostate. If this doesn't strengthen your faith, then it might be the end of it. I have heard of to many stories that sounded way to familiar to yours where the "believer" first doubted, then lived in sin finally to become and agnostic or atheist. You need to repent of the sexual sin, which means leaving the girl. In the most honoring way you can you need to dump her. If you are not willing to leave the sin, it is not genuine repentance.
 
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If God is the one to grant repentance then how can one possibly repent on his own? And then who's fault is it that the person cannot repent? Gods or Mans?

Not trying to sound disrespectful but I just dont get it myself. I feel the same way as faceofbear in that im either dangeling on the cliffs edge or I have already gone over it.
 
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With all due respect Robert, you should probably stop trying to understand something that cannot be understood by the finite human brain, and instead concentrate on what God commands us to do: repent!

You'll drive yourself crazy trying to reconcile in your mind something that I don't think is reconcilable. :confused:
 
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With all due respect Robert, you should probably stop trying to understand something that cannot be understood by the finite human brain, and instead concentrate on what God commands us to do: repent!

You'll drive yourself crazy trying to reconcile in your mind something that I don't think is reconcilable. :confused:


I have cut off certain sins in my life but I dont think that its biblical repentance. Even a drunkard can go to rehab and stop drinking.
 
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torcot,

Thank you.

I am going to speak to her tonight. I, actually, haven't really talked to her about it directly. I've talked to her about my doubts and such, but never really why I doubt. I am not, at this time, going to break up with her, however, hear me out. I am going to speak to her about stopping our immorality, fornication, etc. And, if she does not wish to stop, I will leave her, as it will be evident that she does not care about me nor my spiritual state.

I do have another question for other people here. I enjoy writing. Fiction, that is. However, I've been feeling like something is wrong, like, almost sinful about writing. I think I feel partially this way because writing is something that I want to do when I am depressed. And, as of lately, it's been becoming a bigger part of my life. The story I am currently writing, however, has almost a correlation to the Bible, or, if you will, biblical message to it. In fact, it almost directly relates to the relation Christ and the Father have, but indirectly.

If there is nothing wrong with this, there is something that I feel may be wrong but I am not sure. When I write, I will often use swearing, well, not often, but when I feel it necessary. I do not use it as ME saying it, i.e. the narrator, but the characters. Partially, I do not feel this is wrong, as some might (I know I sound contradicting here). The reason being is because I've been taught to write the truth and chances are the truth is, people swear. When something bad happens to someone or something hurts, even people who don't like swearing, will accidently swear. They won't say, "Oh my goodness, fudge muffin', that hurt."

Anyways, as for the moment, I am going to eat lunch with her now. I will either talk to her then (she's working) or after she is off. Thanks.

I did, however, in a sense, have a victory last night in fighting this. I went home earlier from her house because I didn't want anything to happen. Although, I'm not sure if I left for this reason, I don't really remember, all I know is I think God has started to grant some repentance. In that I began feeling really terrible last night about it. Nearly crying. But anyways, now I'm showing false humility. Thanks again.
 
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If God is the one to grant repentance then how can one possibly repent on his own? And then who's fault is it that the person cannot repent? Gods or Mans?

Not trying to sound disrespectful but I just dont get it myself. I feel the same way as faceofbear in that im either dangeling on the cliffs edge or I have already gone over it.

Keep working at it, Robert. If anyone ever tries to sell you anything by saying, "Oh, don't look at the facts. Just believe. Just close your eyes and all this nonsensical fantasy stuff will come true for you," just politely step back and be confident in the faculties God gave you to discern the Truth.

If we were never meant to make sense of the Gospel, do you really think all of those men would have worked so hard at writing down what the Holy Spirit revealed to them, or that the Holy Spirit would have gone through all that effort to preserve their writings?

I mean, if we were meant to understand, then what's the point of theology in the first place, right?

No, you've got it all right, Robert. God wants you to understand. He wants you to appreciate the good work He is doing in your life. He wants you not only to understand and appreciate it, but to buy into it the way He does.

God wants you to want your spiritual success with as much fervor as He wants it for you.

All you're going to accomplish if you just "close your eyes and believe" is burden yourself with a lifetime of uncertainty. That simply isn't Biblical. The Bible was written to, and encourages you to, walk in certainty of the good God is doing in your life, and I rejoice to see you actively pursuing that certainty.

God bless you, brother. Keep strong in your faith.
 
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As far as speaking to her goes, I've just finished talking to her. She understood and is going to respect what I've said. So, that seems fine, but if there is a slip up, I will leave.


Good for you bro, good for you. I know that had to be difficult but through Christ you can overcome. Only the Lord knows how bad we both are in need of his strength and salvation.
 
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Likewise you cannot repent of something you have never FIRST believed in. You dont seem to understand that the command to repent and believe is something that happens simultaneously.

Careful not to make this out of a works based salvation lest you twist the scripture yourself brother.

Really? You know no believers who never repent? What's their lot according to faith alone salvation?
 
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Really? You know no believers who never repent? What's their lot according to faith alone salvation?


True saving faith produces repentance, you cannot have one without the other as the two are inseperable.
 
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Sorry I'm so late to respond, Bear. I wrote one this morning but accidentally closed IE before posting.

A wise Christian roommate many years ago first shared the message of Proverbs 7 passage with me after an encounter I had with a young lady from church. I was surprised that it ended up where it did. He pointed out that for the Christian man who is wanting to walk with the Lord, we are ready for the blatant obvious worldly sensual woman, but it's with a sister in the Lord that our guard is down, and the danger is perhaps greater. The same goes for the Christian lady.

This passage personifies lust and is probably best seen as the spiritual enemy trying to seduce us through a fellow Christian rather than an evil woman who is after us. It was Jesus' best friend to whom He had to turn and say "get thee behind me, Satan." At that moment, regardless of Peter's intentions, he had made himself the adversary to Jesus. When we entice or try to entice a fellow Christian, we make ourselves the adversary to their spiritual life.

The man must be on guard for this, and the woman must be on guard. Love them, but be alert, watchful.

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Proverbs 7
For at the window of my house I looked out through my lattice, and I saw among the naive, and discerned among the youths a young man lacking sense. Passing through the street near her corner; and he takes the way to her house (Insanity!). In the twilight, in the evening, in the middle of the night and in the darkness. And behold, a woman comes to meet him, dressed as a harlot and cunning of heart. She is boisterous and rebellious, her feet do not remain at home; she is now in the streets, now in the squares, and lurks by every corner. So she seizes him and kisses him and with a brazen face she says to him: "I was due to offer peace offerings; today I have paid my vows. Therefore I have come out to meet you, to seek your presence earnestly, and I have found you."
With her many persuasions she entices him; with her flattering lips she seduces him…

Suddenly he follows her (Insanity). As an ox goes to the slaughter, (1)
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Or as one in fetters to the discipline of a fool, (2)
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Until an arrow pierces through his liver; (3)
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As a bird hastens to the snare, so he does not know that it will cost him his life. (4)
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Now therefore, my sons, listen to me,
and pay attention to the words of my mouth.
Do not let your heart turn aside to her ways,
Do not stray into her paths.

For many are the victims she has cast down, And numerous are all her slain.

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Her house is the way to Sheol, Descending to the chambers of death.

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2 Paths: Death By Sin; or Death To Sin

2 Choices: Life of Feeling, or Life of Faith

2 Solutions: Focus on CONDITION or Focus on POSITION

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Rom 6:6-7
“knowing this, that our old self was crucified with Him, that our body of sin might be made idle, rendered powerless, that we should no longer be slaves to sin; for he who has died is freed from sin.”

Gal 5:24

“ … those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.”
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Rom 6:11

“Even so reckon yourselves to be dead to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus.”

Gal 2:20
"I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me, and delivered Himself up for me.”
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Gal 3:27
“ … all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourself with Christ.”

Rom 13:14
“… put on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make no provision for the flesh in regard to its lusts.”

Gal 5:16
“… walk by the Spirit, and you will not carry out (gratify) the desire of the flesh”

John 15:4-5
“Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, unless it abides in the vine, so neither can you, unless you abide in Me. I am the vine, you are the branches; he who abides in Me, and I in him, he bears much fruit; for apart from Me you can do nothing.”
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