calvinism and apostacy

Skala said:

Why?

It seems to me that the definition used by John is "the world system" in general.

Anyways, the word "so" in this verse is defined as "in this manner" or "in this way". (Same word is used in Acts 14:1 where the apostles so spake that many believed)

In other words, many people think the word "so" in John 3:16 means 'intensely', as if its like a young girl saying she loves her boyfriend "soooo much", but that's not what it means. It means "in this way", as I said above.

So here's a paraphrase of John 3:16:

Here's how God demonstrated his love to the world, He sent his Son to save all the believers.

Or "God loved the world in this way: he sent his Son to save all the believers".

Notice, it doesn't say 'He sent His Son to save every single person", it says "He sent his Son to save believers only"

Those who do not believe are already condemned.

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we're saying the same thing, man

98cwitr said:

we're saying the same thing, man

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Nuh uh You said you thought "world" in Jn 3:16 meant "believers", but I don't think that, as I explained in my post

John 3:16 For God so loved the world,....

The Persic version reads "men": but not every man in the world is here meant, or all the individuals of human nature; for all are not the objects of God's special love, which is here designed, as appears from the instance and evidence of it, the gift of his Son:

nor is Christ God's gift to every one; for to whomsoever he gives his Son, he gives all things freely with him; which is not the case of every man. Nor is human nature here intended, in opposition to, and distinction from, the angelic nature;

for though God has showed a regard to fallen men, and not to fallen angels, and has provided a Saviour for the one, and not for the other; and Christ has assumed the nature of men, and not angels; yet not for the sake of all men, but the spiritual seed of Abraham;

and besides, it will not be easily proved, that human nature is ever called the world: nor is the whole body of the chosen ones, as consisting of Jews and Gentiles, here designed; for though these are called the world, John 6:33; and are the objects of God's special love, and to them Christ is given, and they are brought to believe in him, and shall never perish, but shall be saved with an everlasting salvation;

yet rather the Gentiles particularly, and God's elect among them, are meant;

who are often called "the world", and "the whole world", and "the nations of the world", as distinct from the Jews;

see Romans 11:12, compared with Matthew 6:32. The Jews had the same distinction we have now, the church and the world; the former they took to themselves, and the latter they gave to all the nations around: hence we often meet with this distinction, Israel, and the nations of the world; on those words,


""let them bring forth their witness", that they may be justified, Isaiah43:9 (say (b) the doctors) these are Israel; "or let them hear and say it is truth", these are "the nations of the world".''

And again (c),

"the holy, blessed God said to Israel, when I judge Israel, I do not judge them as "the nations of the world":''


and so in a multitude of places: and it should be observed, that our Lord was now discoursing with a Jewish Rabbi, and that he is opposing a commonly received notion of theirs, that when the Messiah came, the Gentiles should have no benefit or advantage by him, only the Israelites; so far should they be from it, that, according to their sense, the most dreadful judgments, calamities, and curses, should befall them; yea, hell and eternal damnation.


"There is a place (they say (d),) the name of which is "Hadrach", Zec 9:1. This is the King Messiah, who is, חד ורך, "sharp and tender"; sharp to "the nations", and tender to "Israel".''

And so of the "sun of righteousness", in Mal 4:2, they say (e),

"there is healing for the Israelites in it: but the idolatrous nations shall be burnt by it.''

And that (f).

"there is mercy for Israel, but judgment for the rest of the nations.''

And on those words in Isa 21:12, "the morning cometh", and also the night, they observe (g),

"the morning is for the righteous, and the night for the wicked; the morning is for Israel, and the night for "the nations of the world".''

And again (h),

"in the time to come, (the times of the Messiah,) the holy, blessed God will bring "darkness" upon "the nations", and will enlighten Israel, as it is said, Isa 60:2.''

Once more (i),

"in the time to come, the holy, blessed God will bring the nations of the world, and will cast them into the midst of hell under the Israelites, as it is said, Isa 43:3.''
To which may be added that denunciation of theirs (k).

"woe to the nations of the world, who perish, and they know not that they perish: in the time that the sanctuary was standing, the altar atoned for them; but now who shall atone for
them?''



Now, in opposition to such a notion, our Lord addresses this Jew; and it is as if he had said, you Rabbins say, that when the Messiah comes, only the Israelites, the peculiar favourites of God, shall share in the blessings that come by, and with him; and that the Gentiles shall reap no advantage by him, being hated of God, and rejected of him: but I tell you, God has so loved the Gentiles, as well as the Jews....


Source - John Gill's comments on John 3:16

Skala said:

Nuh uh You said you thought "world" in Jn 3:16 meant "believers", but I don't think that, as I explained in my post

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So God loves everyone (including the damned) in that He saves the believers...that makes no sense whatsoever You can't love something and damn it for eternity. Love always protects, right?

Skala said:

We look at the context of the last 8 verses and ask ourselves "Who is the "you" mentioned in verse 9?"

Then you have your answer. God is patient towards you, not willing that any perish. Who's the "you"? Who is God patient towards, not willing that they perish?

Looking forward to the results of your research Oz

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Skala,

I don't need to do any further research as I have done that over many years. The context most certainly gives the firm indicator of what Peter is talking about. The book of 2 Peter is addressed to Christians as 1:1 makes clear.

The context of 2 Peter 3:9 is a clear indicator of what Peter is saying. He stated that the Lord is

not wishing that any should perish, but that ALL should reach repentance (ESV).

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Therefore, God's desire is that ALL should repent. The Greek language has a word for "some" but that is not what Peter stated. The Lord is wanting ALL to repent.

This is further emphasised in 1 Tim. 2:4 where God our Savior:

desires ALL PEOPLE to be saved (ESV).

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Acts 17:30 could not be clearer, where God:

command ALL PEOPLE everywhere to repent (ESV).

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These Scriptures do not support limited atonement, but the call for ALL PEOPLE to repent and be saved.

Oz

Then I conclude that if it is literally God's Will for that ALL PEOPLE (ie: all humanity) to be saved then universalism is true.

98cwitr said:

Then I conclude that if it is literally God's Will for that ALL PEOPLE (ie: all humanity) to be saved then universalism is true.

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I do not believe in, nor have I ever promoted universalism in relation to salvation. God's will for all people to be saved is promoting unlimited atonement and not limited atonement.

I am simply following the Scriptures that I provided that support unlimited atonement. Because Christ died for ALL, not all who are drawn by the Holy Spirit will respond in faith.

Oz

Right. What then, of the hundreds of millions who lived and died worshiping tree stumps and crawling things, savages, who never heard of Jesus, much less the Gospel. Such is the conundrum of universalism.

If however, to a jew who all his life and traditions taught that salvation was for Israel after the flesh only, then all means in general the gentiles, or jew and gentile, and not every single person that ever lived.

Propitiation means something, and it does not mean Atonement based on the decisions of men, otherwise it is worthless, as it was in vain, because there are countless millions in hell right now, for whom the Son of God Atoned for, and was the propitiation for their sins, and yet they are paying for their sins again after they were Atoned for. That is a useless worthless propitiation, based on decisions of men, the vast majority of whom lived and died never hearing the gospel or the name of Jesus.

the particular baptist said:

Right. What then, of the hundreds of millions who lived and died worshiping tree stumps and crawling things, savages, who never heard of Jesus, much less the Gospel. Such is the conundrum of universalism.

If however, to a jew who all his life and traditions taught that salvation was for Israel after the flesh only, then all means in general the gentiles, or jew and gentile, and not every single person that ever lived.

Propitiation means something, and it does not mean Atonement based on the decisions of men, otherwise it is worthless, as it was in vain, because there are countless millions in hell right now, for whom the Son of God Atoned for, and was the propitiation for their sins, and yet they are paying for their sins again after they were Atoned for. That is a useless worthless propitiation, based on decisions of men, the vast majority of whom lived and died never hearing the gospel or the name of Jesus.

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Romans 1:20 says that "they are without excuse".

Unlimited atonement was provided in the examples from Scripture that I gave. I can't help if these verses don't fit with limited atonement. They are in the Scripture and I believe them.

OzSpen said:

Romans 1:20 says that "they are without excuse".

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Thats exactly right. Men are born condemned in Adam and condemned by transgression of God's holy standard. Hearing or not hearing the gospel has nothing to do with it. But, according to your view, theyre sins were paid for. They were Atoned for. God's wrath toward them was appeased...yet they burn in hell ?

C'mon.

OzSpen said:

Unlimited atonement

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You either misunderstand the Scriptures or there are people in hell who have been atoned for.

The Atonement was actual, it happened, there was an exchange at Calvary. Propitiation means propitiation. Not symbolic, vague, word play, or dependent on anything man does, otherwise it is not salvation by Christ alone. It is Christ + man.

Christ bore His people's sins in His body and His people were made righteous in God's sight. It cannot be that He made propitiation for every single human being in all of history, Atoned for them, appeased the Father's wrath toward them, but not really, it was not finished, man has to make up the difference and close the deal. That is not Atonement. That is not Propitiation.

A few posts up Mr Gill makes some worthy comments on John 3:16.

The context of 2 Peter 3:9 is a clear indicator of what Peter is saying. He stated that the Lord is

not wishing that any should perish, but that ALL should reach repentance (ESV).

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Therefore, God's desire is that ALL should repent. The Greek language has a word for "some" but that is not what Peter stated. The Lord is wanting ALL to repent.

This is further emphasised in 1 Tim. 2:4 where God our Savior:

desires ALL PEOPLE to be saved (ESV).

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Acts 17:30 could not be clearer, where God:

commands ALL PEOPLE everywhere to repent (ESV).

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Your presuppositions seem to be clouding your judgment on these verses.

the particular baptist said:

Thats exactly right. Men are born condemned in Adam and condemned by transgression of God's holy standard. Hearing or not hearing the gospel has nothing to do with it. But, according to your view, theyre sins were paid for. They were Atoned for. God's wrath toward them was appeased...yet they burn in hell ?

C'mon.

You either misunderstand the Scriptures or there are people in hell who have been atoned for.

The Atonement was actual, it happened, there was an exchange at Calvary. Propitiation means propitiation. Not symbolic, vague, word play, or dependent on anything man does, otherwise it is not salvation by Christ alone. It is Christ + man.

Christ bore His people's sins in His body and His people were made righteous in God's sight. It cannot be that He made propitiation for every single human being in all of history, Atoned for them, appeased the Father's wrath toward them, but not really, it was not finished, man has to make up the difference and close the deal. That is not Atonement. That is not Propitiation.

A few posts up Mr Gill makes some worthy comments on John 3:16.

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OzSpen said:

The context of 2 Peter 3:9

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The context of 2 Peter is ... to them that have obtained like precious faith with us ... that is the context of 2 Peter.

#1 If they possessed faith and the ability to excercise it, decided to accept Jesus into their hearts Peter would not have said obtained.

#2 Where is this faith obtained from ? ...through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ

Question, so the savage in the Amazon is just unlucky then ? Were the smart ones, were the fortunate ones.


#3 The immediate context of 2 Peter 3:9 is ... but is longsuffering to us-ward ... who is the us-ward ?

OzSpen said:

Your presuppositions seem to be clouding your judgment on these verses.

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Right back at ya, at the very least i'm the one looking at the context and immediate context when reading 2 Peter.

You wont change my mind and i certainly am not trying to change yours. Exchanging one theology for another is not salvation, conversion, regeneration, but i did exchange a few lines with you for the benefit of others who lurk here who are being taught of God that salvation is of the Lord, but cant quite put it into words, but experientially know it in their hearts.

Unsubscribing.

the particular baptist said:

The context of 2 Peter is ... to them that have obtained like precious faith with us ... that is the context of 2 Peter.

#1 If they possessed faith and the ability to excercise it, decided to accept Jesus into their hearts Peter would not have said obtained.

#2 Where is this faith obtained from ? ...through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ

Question, so the savage in the Amazon is just unlucky then ? Were the smart ones, were the fortunate ones.


#3 The immediate context of 2 Peter 3:9 is ... but is longsuffering to us-ward ... who is the us-ward ?


Right back at ya, at the very least i'm the one looking at the context and immediate context when reading 2 Peter.

You wont change my mind and i certainly am not trying to change yours. Exchanging one theology for another is not salvation, conversion, regeneration, but i did exchange a few lines with you for the benefit of others who lurk here who are being taught of God that salvation is of the Lord, but cant quite put it into words, but experientially know it in their hearts.

Unsubscribing.

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We are going round in circles here and your trying to change my mind (as you have been trying to do, in spite of your denial of it) will not work while I am convinced that the Bible teaches "chosen but free" and unlimited atonement.

May the Lord bless you. Let's agree to disagree.

In Christ, Oz

What I dont understand is why Jesus warns people over and over again about going to Hell and to do everything to avoid it if everything is already pre planned for each individual?


I mean why warn people about Hell who he knows are going there anyway? And why warn people about the unpardonable sin if everyone is already on a set path determined by God?

RobertZ said:

What I dont understand is why Jesus warns people over and over again about going to Hell and to do everything to avoid it if everything is already pre planned for each individual?


I mean why warn people about Hell who he knows are going there anyway? And why warn people about the unpardonable sin if everyone is already on a set path determined by God?

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Why do anything? It's because it's better that way.

pre-destined? Jesus teaches to convert.OTOH,i suppose one could argue, i guess, that then it will be a matter of predestined act as we would teach to convert and in doing so carrying out a predestined act towards the predestined destination as part of the predestined plan....interesting. i suppose it may be a mystery. im going with 'sinners to repeantance'....but of course that could also be a predestsined desire for us to participate in ......... well....i think such ,seemingly, never ending issues occupies alot of time waiting for the result of the predestined destination which, may in itself be a predestined....(see where im going with this?)...... sounds like a mystery...... but for me, i think with men some things are impossible, and with God all things are possible.

When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved?
But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.
(Matthew 19:25-26)

Oz, but you didn't give the context for 2 Peter 3:9, despite your assertion.

The context is the prior 8 verses where Peter is talking "to the beloved". the "you" in verse 9 is the same "you" from the previous 8 verses. That's who God is patient towards, not willing that any perish, but all to reach repentance.


2Pe 3:1-9
(1) This is now the second letter that I am writing to you, beloved. In both of them I am stirring up your sincere mind by way of reminder,
(2) that you should remember the predictions of the holy prophets and the commandment of the Lord and Savior through your apostles,
(3) knowing this first of all, that scoffers will come in the last days with scoffing, following their own sinful desires.
(4) They will say, "Where is the promise of his coming? For ever since the fathers fell asleep, all things are continuing as they were from the beginning of creation."
(5) For they deliberately overlook this fact, that the heavens existed long ago, and the earth was formed out of water and through water by the word of God,
(6) and that by means of these the world that then existed was deluged with water and perished.
(7) But by the same word the heavens and earth that now exist are stored up for fire, being kept until the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly.
(8) But do not overlook this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
(9) The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance.

This same "beloved" is called "The elect" in Peter's first letter, which you pointed out (1 Peter 1:1-2).

Peter is saying that God delays Christ's return, despite the scoffers mocking, because God is not willing that the elect perish, he is patient towards them.

The verse does not say that "God is patient towards all individuals, not willing that any perish". It says "God is patient towards YOU, the beloved, the elect, not willing that any perish".

I strongly believe you are using God's word wrongly here. You pluck it away from its context and force your understanding onto it.

God is patient towards YOU, not want any to perish. The ball is in your court to show how grammatically and contextually the "you" is "every single person since Adam", when clearly, it's the "elect", the "beloved" of God. God is not willing that his elect perish, that's what 2 Peter 3:9 teaches. That's why He delays Christ's return. That's Peter's argument.

With respect, Joe.

Calvinism refuted look up All verses,

1st Timothy 2
3For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
4Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
5For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
6Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

10For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.
Hebrews 2:

9But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

1 John 2

2And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

Romans 5:
18Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.


2 Peter 2:
1But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

Revelation 22:
17And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
Deuteronomy 30:

19I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live.


Luke 18:

42And Jesus said unto him, Receive thy sight: thy faith hath saved thee.

Luke 7:

50And he said to the woman, Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace.
Ephesians 2

8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9Not of works, lest any man should boast

Romans 10:
8But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
9That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

11For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
12For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
13For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. 14How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?


Sinners prayer supported: I do believe that true saving faith will produce repentence.

John 4:
10Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water.
Luke 11:

13If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?

Matthew 7
11If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?
Psalm 116

3The sorrows of death compassed me, and the pains of hell gat hold upon me: I found trouble and sorrow.

4Then called I upon the name of the LORD; O LORD, I beseech thee, deliver my soul.
5Gracious is the LORD, and righteous; yea, our God is merciful.
6The LORD preserveth the simple: I was brought low, and he helped me.
7Return unto thy rest, O my soul; for the LORD hath dealt bountifully with thee.
8For thou hast delivered my soul from death, mine eyes from tears, and my feet from falling.
9I will walk before the LORD in the land of the living.
10I believed, therefore have I spoken: I was greatly afflicted:
11I said in my haste, All men are liars.
12What shall I render unto the LORD for all his benefits toward me? 13I will take the cup of salvation, and call upon the name of the LORD.
2 Corithians:

13We having the same spirit of faith, according as it is written, I believed, and therefore have I spoken; we also believe, and therefore speak;

2 Corithians:

2(For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.)

Psalms 53:
3Every one of them is gone back: they are altogether become filthy; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
4Have the workers of iniquity no knowledge? who eat up my people as they eat bread: they have not called upon God.
Acts 2:

21And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Acts 22:
16And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

Luke 18

13And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
1 John 4
15Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.
Psalm 55:

16As for me, I will call upon God; and the LORD shall save me. Do you Guys get the Drift?
Free will supported
4Because they have forsaken me, and have estranged this place, and have burned incense in it unto other gods, whom neither they nor their fathers have known, nor the kings of Judah, and have filled this place with the blood of innocents;
5They have built also the high places of Baal, to burn their sons with fire for burnt offerings unto Baal, which I commanded not, nor spake it, neither came it into my mind:
Jeremiah 32:

35And they built the high places of Baal, which are in the valley of the son of Hinnom, to cause their sons and their daughters to pass through the fire unto Molech; which I commanded them not, neither came it into my mind, that they should do this abomination, to cause Judah to sin. Could the scriptures be any more clearer?

Skala said:

Oz, but you didn't give the context for 2 Peter 3:9, despite your assertion.

The context is the prior 8 verses where Peter is talking "to the beloved". the "you" in verse 9 is the same "you" from the previous 8 verses. That's who God is patient towards, not willing that any perish, but all to reach repentance.


2Pe 3:1-9
(1) This is now the second letter that I am writing to you, beloved. In both of them I am stirring up your sincere mind by way of reminder,
(2) that you should remember the predictions of the holy prophets and the commandment of the Lord and Savior through your apostles,
(3) knowing this first of all, that scoffers will come in the last days with scoffing, following their own sinful desires.
(4) They will say, "Where is the promise of his coming? For ever since the fathers fell asleep, all things are continuing as they were from the beginning of creation."
(5) For they deliberately overlook this fact, that the heavens existed long ago, and the earth was formed out of water and through water by the word of God,
(6) and that by means of these the world that then existed was deluged with water and perished.
(7) But by the same word the heavens and earth that now exist are stored up for fire, being kept until the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly.
(8) But do not overlook this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
(9) The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance.

This same "beloved" is called "The elect" in Peter's first letter, which you pointed out (1 Peter 1:1-2).

Peter is saying that God delays Christ's return, despite the scoffers mocking, because God is not willing that the elect perish, he is patient towards them.

The verse does not say that "God is patient towards all individuals, not willing that any perish". It says "God is patient towards YOU, the beloved, the elect, not willing that any perish".

I strongly believe you are using God's word wrongly here. You pluck it away from its context and force your understanding onto it.

God is patient towards YOU, not want any to perish. The ball is in your court to show how grammatically and contextually the "you" is "every single person since Adam", when clearly, it's the "elect", the "beloved" of God. God is not willing that his elect perish, that's what 2 Peter 3:9 teaches. That's why He delays Christ's return. That's Peter's argument.

With respect, Joe.

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Joe I think you are overlooking a few facts you say the content is to the beloved, but the beloved/ elect can mean the Jews. Also ask a calvinist if God has already determined who is in and who is out, then why do we preach what are we going to change by preaching , the answer a calvinist or at least the ones that i have talked with. the answer they give you is that we preach because we can't know who the beloved/elect are, so here you are going against that doctrine of calvinist by saying Peter knew who the beloved were! and why would paul preach salvation in that it is the will of God that none should perish, if he was preaching to the ones already saved your context of that verse makes no sense at all, unless you are trying to force it to line up with calvinist doctrine!! or unless you believe that the bloved can lose their salvation then peter would be preaching to the saved/beloved but that would go against calvinist doctrine also, if they are saved/the beloved they won't perish . now if peter is preaching to the beloved the jews who have not ontained salvation yet now we are making sense. but you can't see that as truth for iot don't fit into your belief


Romans 11:28
28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sake.
this verse is clearly in reference to the Jews, and how does a spiritual dead person, reach repentence verse 9 as you said
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Skala said:

Oz, but you didn't give the context for 2 Peter 3:9, despite your assertion.

The context is the prior 8 verses where Peter is talking "to the beloved". the "you" in verse 9 is the same "you" from the previous 8 verses. That's who God is patient towards, not willing that any perish, but all to reach repentance.


2Pe 3:1-9
(1) This is now the second letter that I am writing to you, beloved. In both of them I am stirring up your sincere mind by way of reminder,
(2) that you should remember the predictions of the holy prophets and the commandment of the Lord and Savior through your apostles,
(3) knowing this first of all, that scoffers will come in the last days with scoffing, following their own sinful desires.
(4) They will say, "Where is the promise of his coming? For ever since the fathers fell asleep, all things are continuing as they were from the beginning of creation."
(5) For they deliberately overlook this fact, that the heavens existed long ago, and the earth was formed out of water and through water by the word of God,
(6) and that by means of these the world that then existed was deluged with water and perished.
(7) But by the same word the heavens and earth that now exist are stored up for fire, being kept until the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly.
(8) But do not overlook this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
(9) The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance.

This same "beloved" is called "The elect" in Peter's first letter, which you pointed out (1 Peter 1:1-2).

Peter is saying that God delays Christ's return, despite the scoffers mocking, because God is not willing that the elect perish, he is patient towards them.

The verse does not say that "God is patient towards all individuals, not willing that any perish". It says "God is patient towards YOU, the beloved, the elect, not willing that any perish".

I strongly believe you are using God's word wrongly here. You pluck it away from its context and force your understanding onto it.

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You have done what some Calvinists have done to me previously. You have inserted a word and used the persons to whom it is addressed to justify what you have said.

While the context is addressed to believers, 2 Peter 3:9 states, "not wishing that any should perish". It does not state, "not wishing that any of the elect should perish".

Your comment seems to be going against what John Calvin stated of 2 Peter 3:9,

Not willing that any should perish. So wonderful is his love towards mankind, that he would have them all to be saved, and is of his own self prepared to bestow salvation on the lost. But the order is to be noticed, that God is ready to receive all to repentance, so that none may perish; for in these words the way and manner of obtaining salvation is pointed out. Every one of us, therefore, who is desirous of salvation, must learn to enter in by this way.
(the emphasis belongs to Calvin).

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Sincerely, Oz