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Do any of you know where the bottomless pit may be?

Scripture does not give a specific location for the abyss where the Lord keeps certain fallen angelics imprisoned [Jude 1:6; Revelation 9:1; 9:11; 11:7; 17:8-14; 20:1-3]

The description given in Revelation 9:2 would indicate that this prison is under the earth's surface

The O.T. prophets like Ezekiel speak of the "pit" as being in the lower parts of the earth, but this could be a symbolic reference to the grave of the dead

I could only speculate that the entrance/exit to the prison [abyss/ bottomless pit] of the fallen angelics is most likely some where in the Middle East since the prophetic scriptures are focused there, in the ancient past and at the time of the end of this present age .... and the opening could be under the depths of the ocean near the costal regions like the Persian Gulf or Mediterannean Sea

Thanks for your response Truthfiles.

I have always felt that this parable does not apply to the church at all, that it applies to the tribulation believer.

I say this for a couple of different reasons.

One, if the oil is the Holy Spirit and it represents salvation then all 10 virgins started out as saved. Why do I say this? Because a lamp can not go out unless it was first lit.

What we see here is a testament to the verse in Matt 24.

Matt 24:12-14 12 And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold. 13 But he who endures to the end shall be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.

Another reason that the parable cannot apply to the church is because the Church is always referred to as the Bride of Christ, with Christ being the Bridegroom. These virgins are not shown in the capacity of being the Bride, but belong to the group that we would consider the 'wedding party' today. They are not the Bride, but are 'A friend of the Bridegroom', as John the Baptist referred to himself.

John 3:29 He who has the bride is the bridegroom; but the friend of the bridegroom, who stands and hears him, rejoices greatly because of the bridegroom’s voice. Therefore this joy of mine is fulfilled.

The Church, the Bride of Christ, was not established until the Holy Spirit was poured out on the Day of Pentecost spoken of in Acts 2. Before then, the Bride was still a mystery. This was the reason that Jesus even referred to his disciples as 'friends of the Bridegroom'

Matt 9:15 And Jesus said to them, “Can the friends of the bridegroom mourn as long as the bridegroom is with them? But the days will come when the bridegroom will be taken away from them, and then they will fast.

But after the Holy Spirit fell, his followers were referred to not as friends of the Bridegroom, but as his Bride the Church.

Joshua David

Hi Josh,

I appreciate your disertation on the 10 Virgins. But I must disagree. The bride is not complete until the last generation of saints go thru the GT. Our salvation at present is only a downpayment. We are not completeley delivered or saved until the SC.

Vacation does not start with the journey, but at the arrival. Salvation is complete at the resurrection of the just. That also happens at the SC on the last day at the last trump which is at the end of the GT when the elect, or saints, or bride, or friends. or servants, or virgins.

These names along with other designations are all the same people. The Lord does not have two classes of the saved, those before GT and those after GT.

You don't change the contents of a can of soup by changing a label. It is still soup.

If JB was only a freind of the bridegroom, how then is he saved? Is there more than one way to salvation? He was the last of the OT prophets and was just as saved as David or Abe and all the others.

According to David, he also had the HS before the Gospel or NT times began. They all were saved by faith in the first Advent of the Messiah. We are saved after that first Coming and all are completed at the SC.

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Frankie

Hi again Josh,

Here is a statement by Spurgeon..............................

"All that the Father giveth Me shall come to Me."
— John 6:37

This declaration involves the doctrine of election: there are some whom the Father gave to Christ. It involves the doctrine of effectual calling: these who are given must and shall come; however stoutly they may set themselves against it, yet they shall be brought out of darkness into God's marvellous light.

It teaches us the indispensable necessity of faith; for even those who are given to Christ are not saved except they come to Jesus. Even they must come, for there is no other way to heaven but by the door, Christ Jesus. All that the Father gives to our Redeemer must come to Him, therefore none can come to heaven except they come to Christ.

Oh! the power and majesty which rest in the words "shall come." He does not say they have power to come, nor they may come if they will, but they "shall come." The Lord Jesus doth by His messengers, His word, and His Spirit, sweetly and graciously compel men to come in that they may eat of His marriage supper; and this He does, not by any violation of the free agency of man, but by the power of His grace.

I may exercise power over another man's will, and yet that other man's will may be perfectly free, because the constraint is exercised in a manner accordant with the laws of the human mind. Jehovah Jesus knows how, by irresistible arguments addressed to the understanding, by mighty reasons appealing to the affections, and by the mysterious influence of His Holy Spirit operating upon all the powers and passions of the soul, so to subdue the whole man, that whereas he was once rebellious, he yields cheerfully to His government, subdued by sovereign love.

But how shall those be known whom God hath chosen? By this result: that they do willingly and joyfully accept Christ, and come to Him with simple and unfeigned faith, resting upon Him as all their salvation and all their desire. Reader, have you thus come to Jesus?

Who are the "ALL" in the verse? The disciples were the all when Jesus walked amongst them and all believers up to us are the "ALL". Then certainly the saints in the GT are the "ALL" also.

Has He not chosen us "ALL" in Him before the foundation of the world? Of course He has.

Here is another nugget from the virgin parable......................



Matt 25:10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.

Yes, I have studied some on the 7 Feast of Israel, and I do believe there is something to it. This coming Feast of Trumpets is Begining to look very interesting (Sept/ 28/ 2011)
The forcing of Israel to divide into a 2 state solution by the UN is to be voted on in late SEPT.
The comet elenin is to be at it's earth- sun alignment approximately Sept 27-28
This Feast of Trumpet has the correct amount of Moons (86) for the correct amount of days of 2550 Daniels 70 week.
If one will Google (The Feast no one knows the day or hour of) (high light, and paste)was Jesus alluding to this Feast??

Check out the earthquake activity, at USGS (highlight and paste on Google)


If you know how a ancient traditional wedding was celebrated (you must understand this) then it starts to get very interesting. Again, and I'm not setting dates, but could this could be a coming BLOCK BUSTER of a event?

Choose Wisely said:

Been a while since I looked at them. Most teachings I have heard believe that Pentecost has been fulfilled when the Holy Spirit was given to the church. Also many believe that the Rapture of the church will occur on the Feast of Trumpets because of the last trump statement by Paul.

Pentecost is actually an unfulfilled feast. It is a harvest feast. The Rapture of the church is likely to occur on Pentecost.....that's why Jesus said summer is near.

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This is a very good teaching, one of the best I have found.

Yom Teruah (1 of 8) The Feasts of The Lord copy and paste on you-tube

Just found this. I'm a pre-tribber and I hang my hat on the epistles to the Thessalonians. Glad to be here.

Hi. I'm new here. I'm a Pre-tribulation believer too. I'm here to learn.

I sure hope this thread picks up again real soon, I have a lot of questions.

I'm looking for a few reliable Pre-Trib websites and/or recommended books (alongside the Bible) to peruse and skim information on the last days and the Rapture. I posted this in the main End Times forum. I guess I should have known better. As you can see, it didn't go well at all, in fact, I had the thread closed in just one day. *sigh* However, I hoping someone here will be able to help me with this. I'm not looking for debate or opposition, just information and resources. Thank you, in advance, for any recommendations and/or suggestions.

To start off with try I'll check thread often to see if I can answer any question based on scripture.

Wow! Thank you so much! I have to admit that I've been very perplexed by all the information 'out there' on the web. It's been rather difficult for me to discern what is solid biblical truth from what is not. I sincerely appreciate your help. G-d bless you.

I wish this thread were more active.

Chapter 13 of Revelation covers the beast (antichrist) and his prophet.

[Revelation 13:16] And he causes all, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free men and the slaves, to be given a mark on their right hand, or on their forehead, [17] and he provides that one one should be able to buy or sell, except the one who has the mark, either the name of the beast or the number of his name. [18] Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for the number is that of a man; and his number is six hundred and sixty-six.

There has been a lot of speculation as to the actual mark. Interesting that the hand and forehead are mentioned (thought (head) and deed (hand) in Jewish custom. There's more, but I'll keep it short.

Please tell me more, share more of the Word with me about this. I'm here to learn.