Jerushabelle
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I gotta go with the icon posted Brother despite what you actually are. But I appreciate God's truth no matter.
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Is the bible equal to God
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I gotta go with the icon posted Brother despite what you actually are. But I appreciate God's truth no matter.
Livingstones2011
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No problem, I do the same thing sometimes. I just need to remind myself as well to encourage others to be seekers for the Kingdom of God. Even though I fully agree on the the branches of the fellowship by denominations, we should, especially myself, keep our heart, mind, and soul to the Word of God. ^^
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toolite
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children are children and sometimes the one that is most gifted is the worse one but still has favor and if anyone touches that chosen one they soon learn its not worth..
God gives plenty of opportunities togrown folks but I will tell you a secret we do it to ourselves.
people murder and do horrible things to one another but what if I said eighty years can be like a blink of the eye.. eternity is forever and they cant escape eternity. But God is The Final Judge and has the Final say.
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Jerushabelle
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"They?"
OT Scripture was written about 1500 to 400 BC in predominantly Hebrew and Aramaic. Moses began with what we now call the Torah. The Prophets, Kings and other Jewish leaders continued under God's direction. Somewhere around 250 BC, the Scriptures were translated into Greek and formed what is called the Septuagint. The NT writings were written in Greek between 40 - 90 AD and translated into Coptic, Syriac and Latin maybe about 200 years after Jesus death and resurrection. At least that is my knowledge on the subject.
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The word is Jesus, the scripture is a book. You aren't saved by a book, you are saved by a belief in what the book leads you too (Christ) Is that what you are trying to say? If you were to say "Save me from my sins bible/book" then which doctrine do you have?
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I agree we did it to ourselves. We are born in sin since Adam. So let me ask you something. Does the bible not show that there are babies who are wicked from birth?
"Even from birth the wicked go astray; from the womb they are wayward and speak lies"ps58
I don't understand God's ways either, but does God not destroy babies and children in the bible? Do you not see that God shows mercy on whom He shows mercy? It doesn't make us feel fluffy and cozy...but it is what the bible shows us?
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Is this why we have so many different beliefs, even though all claim to be led by the spirit?
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Livingstones2011
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I am not saying that. Reading the Bible will not save us, but the Bible is a part of God that cannot be separated. Where does Faith comes from? Jesus of course. But what does the scriptures say? Faith cometh by hearing and by the Word of God. Like I said, I can memorize the book until I know word for word of ever verse in the Bible, but without faith, it will benefit me nothing. It is God's testament and His Will is directed through the Bible. I also do not portray the Bible as a "book". I see it as a letter, directly from God Himself. We see that very clearly in the New Testament where 75% of the New Testament are letters for Churches. I think the Bible as a whole is a letter directed to us that helps and to guide us. Just remember, we are saved by faith and by hearing the Word. ^^
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Thank you for clarifying...because when you said the bible was equal to God, I became concerned. There are many things that are a part of God that cannot be separated. A preacher can be used to lead someone to Christ, but they are not equal to God and yet they are a part of God. For someone who is deaf and dumb, they would be an exception? For a Mentally retarded person who is unable to understand the word. How are they saved? I have to believe it first comes by God and His Spirit..however that may look... I will never understand, but I believe that He first does the work in the heart to those He wants to show mercy on, and opens the heart to receive (and uses the bible and some people for understanding and growth). The bible is a letter, yes, but it is not God...and some of the versions we have today are flawed, so I can't say they are ALL Holy, because God is perfect ( I have to believe).
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If I write a letter or speak to someone, my words are me. I am known by the words that I speak. The original word of God was God's words to us. God's word declares unto us who he is. Is what we have now the "true" word of God? I don't know, but what we have is what we have. I will say that there probably are errors in translation because the translations are done by man and men are always coming up with newer translations. I am not responsible for what other men do to the word of God but I am responsible for studying and rightly dividing the word of God. I see God's word as God bearing his soul to us, sharing his heart with us, showing us his Son and teaching us how to walk in this evil world. So when I read the word of God, I see God.
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toolite
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the world shows us wickedness.. show me a 1 year old murderer.. show me a one year old racist...these are things the world teaches.. the world teaches evil... do you know before we come to earth we come with a mission? mission of God.
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You say that the bible teaches us how to walk in this "evil world". I am not sure what your bible says about teaching us to walk in this "evil world", and if this in all bibles or translations, but my bible says God created Evil. I don't understand how God can be both light and create dark, but the bible says it. Perhaps someone else can tell us if they think this is a correct translation. If not, then it once again shows God's Sovereignty. Isaiah 45:7 Here is what my King James Version says I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things
I agree, the bible is a way we can get to know God, but I don't think it is God and it is not perfect.
Nobody has seen God, but I think you mean you get to visualize more of His charachter from the bible and I would agree.
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I have a bible infront of me and it tells me, unless it's translated incorrectly, that even babies are born wicked.
Psalm 51:5 - Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me.
Genesis 8:21 - the Lord said in his heart, I will never again curse the ground because of man, for the intention of mans heart is evil from his youth."
Psalm 58:3 - The wicked are estranged from the womb; they go astray from birth, speaking lies.
John 3:6 - "That which is born of the flesh is flesh"
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I dont deny flesh is sin but a baby can not go to hell that was the point.. to be honest I see tormented souls and I have never seen a child ever.. i only can speak from experience and for me and always my dreams and visions given by God override everything else.
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So you are saying because babies don't murder they are saved? I see in the bible that not one is righteous, no not one!
My son started lying at 3 years old. I never lied to him, he wasn't around other children who lied. He only watched christian videos. Is lying a sin? Do liars go to hell?
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Just because they don't look tormented, does not mean they are not sinners. Someone who goes over the speed limit has sinned. Someone who speaks ill about the president instead of praying for him has sinned (according to my bible) but do they look tormented? I am guilty of both but I ask God to help me in those areas where it's not pleasing in His sight.
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