Casey Anthony: You Are the Jury

Romans 13:3 said:

Listened to much of the closing arguments today (went to mass last night).

Click to expand...

Sounds like you were listening to just the Prosecution's Closing Arguements. The Defense's was this afternoon--first Baez and then the gray mustached attorney. (Remember the Prosecution getting in trouble for making laughing faces while Baez was talking? The judge was not pleased. And remember the chart the other Defense attorney went over--the one showing that there were degrees of belief all the way to "guilty". Other attorneys said it was Defense 101. ) The Prosecution will have a rebuttal tomorrow morning and then it goes to the jury.

Tigg said:

Lee, the bro. did take the stand. No 5th either. His DNA along with GA's was tested. Neither the father of Caylee. Ya can go read his testimony or anything about the trial on the net.

Click to expand...

Yes, but was Lee asked about it (in court)? I don't remember that. (He may have, and I missed it.) I'm thinking he wasn't asked about it, because it could lead to other questions. (Of which he may refuse to answer or will lie about.)

BAFRIEND said:

the vote is now 25 to 2 in favor of guilty

the only thing you have left to do is vote yourself and hopefully that will start a rally

Click to expand...

It's not a popularity contest. Besides I can't vote until after the closing arguments and the jury gets the case.

But since only to Prosecution's Rebuttal is left, I can say in all truthfulness that there is more here than meets the eye. Casey is definitely a liar, from what I see, so IMO she's undeniably guilty of those four charges. About Murder 1, Premeditated Murder that carries a punishment of death, nope, don't believe Casey is a threat to society in that society needs to protect itself from the likes of her, but as far as I can see, there is a reasonable doubt in that all the evidence doesn't point to premeditation. Whether it is Murder 2, Manslaughter, or Negligence, I still can't tell by the evidence (and sometimes lack thereof). Now as to the charge of Aggrevated Child Abuse, nearly all of Casey's friends reported that Casey was devoted to the child, and that Caylee was well-taken care of. (This was learned early on during the Prosecution's part of the trial.) In fact, one of Casey's friends stated on the witness stand that if anything happened to Caylee, he thought that "Casey would just snap, put it all in a box, and pretend it didn't happen."

It was either yesterday or the day before that the defense asked Casey's parents about burying their dogs, which if anything, was a bad move for the defense; They would wrap tape around their mandibles to make them more compact and place them in bags. This shows exactly where Casey would have learned it. The site that I'm watching the trial on has a chat and people are wondering if Casey had anything to do with their dogs dying since they lost one after another or if she had tried the chloroform out on their present dog since it was getting sick, but of course, it's all speculation.
I have a daughter who is the same exact age as Caylee was when she died, so I'm constantly ambushing her with hugs because I just can't imagine ever hurting her. Caylee also would have been the same age as my oldest daughter so I just imagine what a beautiful girl she would have been now and how her grandparents would have been so proud of her.

BAFRIEND said:

the final point, this is a death penalty certified jury- that kinda limits the chances of their being a bleeding heart on the stand

Click to expand...

Pardon me my bleeding heart (that I am meek and mild...)

Yeah, and I have one devil of a time missing Mass on Sunday to sit and listen to closing arguments.

rainbowbright said:

The site that I'm watching the trial on has a chat and people are wondering if Casey had anything to do with their dogs dying since they lost one after another or if she had tried the chloroform out on their present dog since it was getting sick, but of course, it's all speculation.

Click to expand...

Well, you'll then be happy to know that chloroform (or it's ingredients) was never found in the Anthony house. And that expert said that if choloform was made the smell would have sort of "stuck" around and have been noticeable. As to the little pup, it was really small--smaller than the other dog--and both were eating Bamboo, according to Cindy, and that's why she said she looked up chorophyll and was referred to chloroform.

Heck, I didn't know anything about that. All I know is that when ever any of my dogs have an upset tummy, they eat grass or leaves (chlorophyll) to enable them to throw up. I'd normally look it up myself, but now I'm afraid. oh well, I can live without the information.

Chrystal-J said:

Yes, but was Lee asked about it (in court)? I don't remember that. (He may have, and I missed it.) I'm thinking he wasn't asked about it, because it could lead to other questions. (Of which he may refuse to answer or will lie about.)

Click to expand...

Casey's lawer asked if Lee was the father,The test excluded George and Lee as the father.

CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN said:

Casey's lawer asked if Lee was the father,The test excluded George and Lee as the father.

Click to expand...

What day was that? I want to watch it on YouTube.

BAFRIEND said:

baez made the specualtion on why george and lee would get dna tests as baez never requested them

it was rumored way before the trial that casey would make incest charges

it is called sleeze 101- make the murderer look like the victim. if kaylee was still alive she would be up on the stand being accused of stealing stickers and mocked for not being potty trained

the dna tests were done prior to trial- not because of casey's lawyer

Click to expand...

A DNA test was done of Lee by the FBI. They said it was a "rush job" because they were afraid he would flee before submitting to a test.

I just wondered cuz Casey's lawyer asked right before closing arguments if he could talk about the FBI DNA test and the judge said "Yes", but the lawyer never said anything about them. I wonder why he bothered to ask the judge if he could talk about it, yet didn't.

Chrystal-J said:

What day was that? I want to watch it on YouTube.

Click to expand...

I watch it mabey 2 weeks ago,when her lawyer asked someone that checked.

Here's something aboutLee not being the father.
Casey Anthony Trial Update: Jose Baez Tackles Caylee Anthony DNA

BAFRIEND said:

baez made the specualtion on why george and lee would get dna tests as baez never requested them

it was rumored way before the trial that casey would make incest charges

it is called sleeze 101- make the murderer look like the victim. if kaylee was still alive she would be up on the stand being accused of stealing stickers and mocked for not being potty trained

the dna tests were done prior to trial- not because of casey's lawyer

Click to expand...

Okay,but her Lawyer asked about Lee,it was a no.I thought asked about George too.Means nothing to me,that FBI thought it may be a possibility,since I never believe anything that Casey might tell a boyfriend or someone to get attenction.

CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN said:

Here's something aboutLee not being the father.
Casey Anthony Trial Update: Jose Baez Tackles Caylee Anthony DNA

Click to expand...

Thanks for the link.
This part says the person questioned about the DNA test was from the FBI:
Baez had on the stand an FBI analyst, an expert in DNA. He asked her “where you asked to do a patently test on Lee Anthony?” The question wasn’t objected to, the jury went to lunch. Legal analysts tonight say that Baez wanted, on the first day of his defense, to send the jury to lunch thinking about whether Lee Anthony abused Casey.

I see what the article is saying--to imply there was abuse, even if the test came back negative. But, in my opinion unless Lee himself says something, it just make Casey look like a liar (again).

It doesn't look like we will *ever* know exactly who the father of little Caylee is. But we do know, without a doubt, that the Anthonys are one dysfunctional family. Makes one really "get" that a person growing up in that environment would not exactly be "normal". Look at Lee, breaking down on the witness stand because his mom and dad didn't tell him about his sister's pregnancy when he was living in the same house with her. Is it any wonder that Casey lives in a fantasy world?

Whoa! That woman prosecutor is something else. Throw a whole bunch of new suggestions as to how Caylee died. I don't know how the judge allowed it. (In a closing statement, they are supposed to go over *existing* evidence--not create more.)

I must admit that I'm disappointed. Back about two years ago when this case was almost "tried" every night in the press and on tv (not so much on radio) I thought that finally they were going to do real tests on the little skeleton found, but I was wrong. IMO the forensics were a dud. So many things were left out, IMO. Oh I knew that they (at the time the skeleton was found) that tests were done on the hair for chloroform and they found nothing. But surely I thought that there would be tests on the bones found--but if there were, it wasn't in the trial. Was amazed that Cindy brought up the rumor going around that Caylee died in an accidental drowning back when Casey was still in jail--hadn't heard about it. (Yes, the jail house conversation was taped!) I guess that it wasn't a Baez made up thing afterall! And I can't help but wonder why Cindy consulted one of those psychics about where Caylee was (was the pool ladder being up and the gate open and then the rumor weighing heavily on her mind?) and then tried to send Lee to that wooded area where Caylee was found (that's when Lee objected--he told his mother that he thought they were searching for a live Caylee and he wanted no part of this "psychic thing".

BAFRIEND said:

the FBI never thought that, the prosecution wanted evidence that casey's lies against george and lee were just that before baez put on his clown show

Click to expand...

The reason they tested Lee is based on a police interview of one of Casey's boyfriends from before she was pregnant with Caylee. The boyfriend said back then, (in 2004) that Casey said her brother was abusing her. So law enforcement thought it was possible that he was the father of Caylee. They were looking for the father in case he was involved with Caylee being missing. (She was missing at the time of the interview.)
In the case of George, they wanted to rule him out because Casey was throwing mud on everyone at that point. So, the FBI had to check it out.

I watched the lady prosecutor this morning. She was good. I like how she used Casey's own words to convict her--using the 911 and jail tapes. Then ending with a picture of Casey partying at a nightclub, showing her "beautiful life" tattoo.