Till Death Do us Part? Messianic Jewish perspective on Marriage Lasting in Heaven..

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Thank Yeshua for those who have mates.....for its brtoeautiful to consider how the Lord made it at creation. At my Messianic Fellowship, it has always been a blessing to see the discussions we've been able to have on marriage and the pictures that can be seen throughout it in connection with the Lord's relationship to His people----as he's the Groom and we're the Bride made for each other, just as others on the earth on.




For myself, however (as it concerns the theme of marriage), I feel sadden for those who've never been able to get married before that era....for many have said that in the New Heavens/Earth, we'll not marry anymore...and they base this off of what Jesus said in Matthew 22:23-34 when it comes to Jesus saying we'll not be given in marriage.

Its interesting to consider, though, in light of how God noted in Genesis 2 that it wasn't good for man to BE alone...and the entire purpose of being fruitful and multiplying required one to have a mate. Unless God's plan/statements in Eden were inferior to what will happen in the future, I wonder at times if being joined in marriage was something God always intended ---or if the Desire for Oneness between Man and Woman was meant as a Temporary edict? Jesus referenced the issue in Matthew 19:1-12 when it came to his making clear that God hated dicorce and that God desired for couples to stay together for life.

And as it stands, I've heard some convincing arguments from others that say the issue of being GIVEN in marriage is not necessarily a statement of saying MARRIAGE ends---but rather, once we're locked into our Eternal States, those who are already married will REMAIN that way forever.....with the numbers in Heaven not necessarily increasing.If interested,

As it concerns some of the arguments I've heard that seemed to be very intriguing on the issue of what marriage will look like in Heaven, here's something that stood out from an article one can look up online, under the name of "Marriage In Heaven << What the Bible says "(). As said best by the author (for an excerpt):
There is no point in the Lord revealing more truth to those who are unwilling to believe what they already have. "If I have told you earthly things, and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you of heavenly things?" (John 3:12) "If they do not hear Moses and the Prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead." (Luke 16:31)

This is why the Lord so often spoke in parables. Those who were willing to believe would understand the hidden meaning. Others would not. So the Lord told His disciples, "To you it has been given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to the rest it is given in parables; that seeing they may not see, and hearing they may not understand." (Luke 8:10) In fact when speaking with the crowds, the Lord always spoke in parables "as they were able to hear it, and without a parable he did not speak unto them."(Mark 10: 33, 34; Matthew 13:34, 35) There were many things that even the disciples were not ready to believe. Jesus told them, "I have yet many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now.... These things I have spoken to you in figurative language, but the time is coming when I shall no more speak to you in figurative language." (John 16:12, 25)



This is why the Lord so often spoke in parables. Those who were willing to believe would understand the hidden meaning. Others would not. So the Lord told His disciples, "To you it has been given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to the rest it is given in parables; that seeing they may not see, and hearing they may not understand." (Luke 8:10) In fact when speaking with the crowds, the Lord always spoke in parables "as they were able to hear it, and without a parable he did not speak unto them."(Mark 10: 33, 34; Matthew 13:34, 35) There were many things that even the disciples were not ready to believe. Jesus told them, "I have yet many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now.... These things I have spoken to you in figurative language, but the time is coming when I shall no more speak to you in figurative language." (John 16:12, 25)

Looking at the Context
Keeping in mind that the Lord has much more to tell us about life after death than He was able to reveal at the time of the New Testament, let us consider the question of whether there is marriage after death. There are many passages which bear on this question, but there is one verse which often seems to be used to the exclusion of others: "In the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage." (Matthew 22:30) Taken out of context, this passage does seem to say that there is no marriage after death. Very often, however, a careful examination of the context will completely change the meaning of a passage. To be sure that we get the correct meaning of the passage, let us look at the whole context carefully.

The same day the Sadducees, who say there is no resurrection, came to Him and asked Him, saying: "Teacher, Moses said that if a man dies, having no children, his brother shall marry his wife and raise up offspring for his brother. Now there were with us seven brothers. The first dies after he had married, and having no offspring, left his wife to his brother. Likewise the second also, and the third even to the seventh. And last of all the woman died also. Therefore, in the resurrection, whose wife of the seven will she be? For they all had her."

Jesus answered and said to them, "You are mistaken, not knowing the Scriptures nor the power of God. For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like the angels of God in heaven. But concerning the resurrection of the dead, have you not read what was spoken to you by God, saying, `I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob'? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living." And when the multitude heard this, they were astonished at His teaching. (Matthew 22:23-33. See also Mark 12:18-27, Luke 20:27-40)

What Kind of Marriage Does It Mean?
Now let us consider what this passage actually means. Note that marrying and being given in marriage do not refer to the married state, but only to the wedding itself. The question focused on a woman who had married seven times for apparently worldly reasons, with no evidence of having formed a spiritual bond with any of her husbands. The Sadducees were not talking about a true marriage, but merely about a legal ritual--an outward coupling without the inner meaning.

The Lord answered their question in terms of their own idea of marriage, which was quite different than ours is today. In those days, the marriage contract was generally made between the husband and the father of the bride. The bride was seldom given any say in the matter. Women were treated almost like property. To be "given" in marriage meant they could be given by parents to an unknown man (Genesis 24, 21:21), or given as a reward. (Judges 1:12, 1 Sam 17:25) They could be bought and sold, (Genesis. 29:20, Ruth 4:10, Hosea 3:2, 12:12) or even kidnapped. (Judges 21:21-23) This is kind of worldly coupling the Lord was referring to when He said, "The children of this age marry and are given in marriage." (Luke 20:34) Perhaps we should take the saying "In the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage," to mean, "In heaven there is no buying and selling of women and legal contracting such as you are used to."

Did They Really Want to Know?

The Sadducees were not actually interested in learning about marriage after death. They did not even believe in the possibility of life after death. All they wanted was to discredit the Lord's teaching about life after death. They would neither have listened nor understood if the Lord had tried to explain the difference between a genuine marriage based on love and trust and the kind of legal, physical coupling they thought of as marriage. The Sadducees were among those who would "see without seeing, and hear without hearing"--the kind of people the Lord could speak to only in parables. (Mark 10:33, 34)

Even the Lord's disciples had difficulty with the concept that marriage should be enduring. When the Lord taught that marriage should last to the end of life in this world, the disciples replied, "If such is the case of the man with his wife, it is better not to marry." But Jesus said to them, "All cannot accept this saying but only those to whom it has been given." (Matthew 19:10, 11) Now if He told them about earthly marriage and they could not believe, how could He possibly tell them of heavenly marriage? This is a strong indication that what the Lord said to them about marriage in heaven was spoken in a parable, which would not be understood until a later time. It may be a mistake to take the passage too literally.

When the Lord said that in heaven they neither marry nor are given in marriage He was speaking the truth. However, taken in context, the passage does not tell what heaven is like, but what it is not like, namely, that in heaven they do not arrange weddings in the same way that people do on earth.

Other Teachings about Marriage
So far we have spoken of only one passage. However, there are many passages which might give us an indication of whether marriage continues after death, even if it is not in so many words. When God first created people, He made them male and female. (Genesis 1:27) He saw that what He had done was very good. (Genesis 1:31) If it is very good, why should it not continue after death? Jesus said, "They are no more two, but one flesh. What therefore, God has joined together, let no one put asunder." (Matthew 19:6, Mark 10:9) God Himself said, "It is not good that the man should be alone." (Genesis 2:18) "The Lord, the God of Israel, says that He hates putting away." (Malachi 2:16) If He hates putting away, why would He put away every wife and husband from each other by death?

There are many, many passages which compare the relationship between God and His people to a marriage. "Your Maker is your Husband," He says. (Isaiah 54:5) "I am married to you." (Jeremiah 3:14) "I will betroth you to Me forever." (Hosea 2:19) Our relationship with the Lord is to be a blessed, heavenly, eternal relationship. Would our union with God be compared to something which ends with death and has no part in heaven? Or is marriage also a blessed, heavenly, eternal relationship?

Often when someone's spouse dies, the survivor is comforted by the thought that eventually they will be together again in heaven, and their relationship will continue as it had before. The Bible is not clear about marriage after death. One or two passages, taken out of context, seem to say that there is no "marriage" in heaven. Many more passages hint that true marriage is an eternal covenant. The Lord said, "I have yet many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now." (John 16:12) Could it be that among the many things the Lord has to tell us is clear knowledge about what happens to true marriages when the partners are together in heaven?




Again, just putting it out there...as I thought it was interesting to consider/had many solid points to offer regarding how often we misread what the Bible says about marriage in this life/the next and what we can expect. Of course, others may disagree in light of how marriage on this Earth points to/mirrors the reality of what our Marriage to the Lord is to be like.....and on many things, I can definately see validity. Where I stand, Male and Female will continue ( Isa. 43:6-7 ) and Rev. 21:5 tells us that "He who sits on the throne will make "ALL THINGS NEW"...with Jer. 31:22 giving a glimpse of what this "new creation" will be like since it involves both a man and a woman.

With Isaiah, its interesting to consider how the scripture seems to refer to those who died before Jesus returns, I believe, and not the ones alive at that time. Isaiah refers to a future world (consistent with "a new heaven and new earth" ) where there is no more fear among animals and little children, including nursing children, are mentioned as being at peace with deadly animals. IMHO, this indicates life continuing as planned in the Garden of Eden.





For myself, when it comes to difficulty with others in a marriage/really wishing you were away from, it really makes me pause/consider things if pondering on the thought that it may not be the case that in Heaven you'll be seperated from that person in all respects....and perhaps one needs to learn how to handle things well now in the understanding that its really for life rather than akin to the phrase "till death do us part"
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Are there any Messianic Fellowships out there which seem to believe that marriage may be something that will continue past the life we see here? Moreover, do others here feel as if marriage is something that the Lord always intended to be lasting---or was it meant to be permanent in the Garden of Eden and then changed later after Christ?

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Easy G (G²);57854936 said:
Are there any Messianic Fellowships out there which seem to believe that marriage may be something that will continue past the life we see here? Moreover, do others here feel as if marriage is something that the Lord always intended to be lasting---or was it meant to be permanent in the Garden of Eden and then changed later after Christ?

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As another said best on the issue of what Jesus said about marriage/not being given in marriage in the age to come (Mark 12:25 ):



Interpreting this saying of Jesus wrongly, some have claimed that marriage will have no follow-up in heaven. But with his reply Jesus is rejecting the caricature the Sadducees presented of heaven, as if it were going to be a simple continuation of the earthly relationship of the spouses. Jesus does not exclude the possibility that they might rediscover in God the bond that united them on earth.

According to this vision, marriage does not come to a complete end at death but is transfigured, spiritualized, freed from the limits that mark life on earth, as also the ties between parents and children or between friends will not be forgotten. In a preface for the dead the liturgy proclaims: “Life is transformed, not taken away.” Even marriage, which is part of life, will be transfigured, not nullified.




For some good articles to consider, one can go online/investigate the following if looking under their respective titles:


  • "Is There Sex in Heaven? - A talk delivered by Peter Kreeft at Hamilton Hall, Columbia University" ( )
 
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How many of these threads do we need? Is there one for men and one for women?
There should be only ONE thread for both men/women. I don't know how the second one even got there, though pressing the "submit" button twice may be the reason as has occurred with others who may've made the same mistake. Outside of that, one can comment or leave the post alone.
 
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subscribing.. as I have no conclusions .. and have for the most part left it in God's hands and to show me when He comes..

At what point, if I may ask, did you leave the issue in God's hands? Was asking due to talking with some of my friends and how one of them told me how much he loves his spouse....and it truly grieves him to consider how at some point they won't be as close as they are now when they enter into Heaven. Other couples I've talked to have noted the same...and of course, the dynamics of relationships in the New Heavens/Earth are things which don't seem to be as clear currently.
 
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Easy G (G²);57879909 said:
At what point, if I may ask, did you leave the issue in God's hands? Was asking due to talking with some of my friends and how one of them told me how much he loves his spouse....and it truly grieves him to consider how at some point they won't be as close as they are now when they enter into Heaven. Other couples I've talked to have noted the same...and of course, the dynamics of relationships in the New Heavens/Earth are things which don't seem to be as clear currently.
God is not going to put asunder that which He has put together...
 
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God is not going to put asunder that which He has put together...

I'm guessing that it may be that indeed. But I do wonder how that will play out Biblically in the future and what to do with those who preach that marriage was meant ONLY for this age we live in---and that all of those who are single now will either remain as such in the age to come or not see it where children will continue to be born in the new heavens/earth in the time of Christ.

Really processing it
 
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Somewhere there is the harmony between God putting asunder that which He puts together and... no marrying in heaven..

Curious as to why would you say or advocate that? The only sense I could see the Lord saying that marriage was something that he felt was good and then ending marriage in heaven is that somehow marriage was meant to be temporary from the jump in Genesis....and new kinds of marriages would occur in heaven..
 
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My wife tells me I don't get to escape that easily. Muahahaha
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Matthew 22:24 "Rabbi, Moshe said, `If a man dies childless, his brother must marry his widow and have children to preserve the man's family line.' 25 There were seven brothers. The first one married and then died; and since he had no children, he left his widow to his brother. 26 The same thing happened to the second brother, and the third, and finally to all seven. 27 After them all, the woman died. 28 Now in the Resurrection -- of the seven, whose wife will she be? For they all married her." 29 Yeshua answered them, "The reason you go astray is that you are ignorant both of the Tanakh and of the power of God. 30 For in the Resurrection, neither men nor women will marry; rather, they will be like angels in heaven.
 
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My wife tells me I don't get to escape that easily. Muahahaha

I've heard other couples mention the same thing when it comes to the subject of marriage....but on the issue, its interesting to consider how for many they'd actually have ALOT of validity.


Concerning what you noted, the scriptures coming immediately to mind are the following:

Mark 12:18-26
Marriage at the Resurrection
18Then the Sadducees, who say there is no resurrection, came to him with a question. 19"Teacher," they said, "Moses wrote for us that if a man's brother dies and leaves a wife but no children, the man must marry the widow and have children for his brother. 20Now there were seven brothers. The first one married and died without leaving any children. 21The second one married the widow, but he also died, leaving no child. It was the same with the third. 22In fact, none of the seven left any children. Last of all, the woman died too. 23At the resurrection[a] whose wife will she be, since the seven were married to her?"

24Jesus replied, "Are you not in error because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God? 25When the dead rise, they will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven. 26Now about the dead rising—have you not read in the book of Moses, in the account of the bush, how God said to him, 'I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob'?

Luke 20:34-36
34Jesus replied, "The people of this age marry and are given in marriage. 35But those who are considered worthy of taking part in that age and in the resurrection from the dead will neither marry nor be given in marriage, 36and they can no longer die; for they are like the angels. They are God's children, since they are children of the resurrection.

Other versions of the instance are in Matthew 22:23-33.

With the Luke version, that one seems to be much more direct on the issue.....and for another description of "that age", one can go to Acts 4:2 and I Peter 1:3.




And on the issue, it goes without saying (IMHO) that what life will be like after the resurrection is far beyond our ability to understand or imagine fully (Isaiah 64:4, I Corinthians 2:9, etc)----so I want to be careful as to avoid making formula out of anything where full details are not given. Some of my thoughs are that "being like the angels in heaven" means living without an exclusive lifelong marriage commitment to one person. With Jesus' statement, it doesn't necessarily mean that people won't recognize their partners in the coming kingdom...as our relationships in this life are limited by time/sin and death.....and surely people will know their loved ones in heaven ( Matthew 8:11, Luke 9:30-33). It seems that Jesus' statement deals with how God's new order will not be an extension of this life and that the same physical/natural rules will not apply in all instances as here/before.......and that the joy/love of close relationships in heaven will be more rather than less than it is here on the Earth.

As it stands, God made man to be RELATIONAL creatures----as thats a reflection of Him---and only when we're in community/relationship with each other can we really show Him anyhow (I Corinthans 12). If so with this life, one would think that in the life to come it would not be any less.

Jesus' reference to the "power of God" suggest that God is able to establish relationships of even deeper friendship, joy, and love in the life to come....for although God has not revealed anything more beyond this, what we do know is that the Word declares that the eternal glories awaiting the redeemed will be more splendid than anyone can begin to ask or think (I Corinthians 2:9, Ephesians 3:20). For if we can imagine it, God can go beyond it.



I agree with others who say that Jesus' comment in verse 25 was not intended to be the final word on marriage in heaven....as who knows if something far grander than the way marriage was set up before is to come instead.


And with Jesus's answer, it was more so a refusal to answer the Sadducees' riddle/fall into their trap..as their real question was not about marriage as much as it was about the doctrine of the resurrection--which they already were against. They tried to trap him theologically because they assumed that those believing in a resurrection life think it is like the present life fully....suggesting that a woman who has been married more than once will be found guilty of incest after the resurrection...and hoping to show the idea of the resurrection absurd. But their error flowed from their lack of knowledge, of course, on the Power of God to create a much more wonderful than anyone can now imagine.

And as Jesus told them, to know what heaven will be like is not as important as to know God's power (I Corinthians 15, Philippians 3:5-11). And on the issue, it is interesting to consider the SPECIFIC phrasing of "they will neither marry nor be given in marriage." As said earlier in the OP on the subject of Matthew 22:23-33:

Note that marrying and being given in marriage do not refer to the married state, but only to the wedding itself. The question focused on a woman who had married seven times for apparently worldly reasons, with no evidence of having formed a spiritual bond with any of her husbands. The Sadducees were not talking about a true marriage, but merely about a legal ritual--an outward coupling without the inner meaning.

The Lord answered their question in terms of their own idea of marriage, which was quite different than ours is today. In those days, the marriage contract was generally made between the husband and the father of the bride. The bride was seldom given any say in the matter. Women were treated almost like property. To be "given" in marriage meant they could be given by parents to an unknown man (Genesis 24, 21:21), or given as a reward. (Judges 1:12, 1 Sam 17:25) They could be bought and sold, (Genesis. 29:20, Ruth 4:10, Hosea 3:2, 12:12) or even kidnapped. (Judges 21:21-23) This is kind of worldly coupling the Lord was referring to when He said, "The children of this age marry and are given in marriage." (Luke 20:34)

Perhaps we should take the saying "In the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage," to mean, "In heaven there is no buying and selling of women and legal contracting such as you are used to."




As it stands, something that I've often found to be interesting is that Scripture says there will be no marriage in the resurrection, but it doesn't, to my knowledge, say that there is no marriage in the kingdom or in the New Earth

To a degree it can seem to be splitting hairs to argue on how the concept of "no marriage in the resurrection" doesn't have to lead to the conclusion of no marriage in the New Earth/Kingdom (..as many times, the New Earth is synomous with the Resurrection...with the New Earth coming after the Resurrection/the Resurrection of the Dead setting the stage for things ( Acts 23:5-7 / Acts 23 / Acts 24:14-16 / Romans 6:4-6 / 1 Corinthians 15:12-58 / Hebrews 11:34-36 / 1 Peter 1:3-4 ).





People are free to disagree, of course...but as I've studied, According to what the Word says about the 1000 year reign, there are multiple resurrections.....and with them happening is a symbolization of what's to follow in the New Earth. Christians hold two basic views on the first resurrection--as seen in Revelation 20:1-8.


Some believe the first resurrection is spiritual (in our hearts at salvation) and that the Millennium is our spiritual reign with Christ between his first/second comings. During this time, we are priests of God because Christ reigns in our hearts.


In this view, the second resurrection is the bodily resurrection of all people for judgement....................but those of the other view believe that the first resurrection occurs after Satan has been cast aside, with it being a PHYSICAL resurrection of believers who then reign with Christ (Romans 8) on the Earth for a literal 1,000 years. The second resurection, according to this view, happens at the end of this Millenium in order to judge unbelievers who have died.

Some hold to the view that the thousand year reign is a time when children WILL be born to others already married during that time---and that those who are not saved will also continue to keep getting married/having children ( Matthew 24:37-39 ), seeing that others will be around during the 1,000 years who never served the Lord and will have to tolerate his reign.

Some say children born during this time makes the most sense since those in the rebellious nations may be made up of others who either never accepted Christ previously......or were born during the time he came but had to grow up/experience life themselves as all childrend do.


Some holding to this view since they think that would give them time to grow up/be those who would have to make a choice on whether or not to follow Satan or not...and once they chose sides during Satan's letting loose, marriage/producing children would end.....with those counted worthy of the new age being allowed to take part in the TRUE RESSURECTION....


Rev 20:2-3 (NKJV)


2 He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years; 3 and he cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal on him, so that he should deceive the nations no more till the thousand years were finished. But after these things he must be released for a little while.
Some say that once Satan is bound up, all of those who are for the Lord will be rulling and there will never again be sin in the time to come. ...and children will CONTINUE to be born, with man continuing to be fruitful and multiply
 
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Somewhere there is the harmony between God putting asunder that which He puts together and... no marrying in heaven..




If marriage was not meant to be a pernmanent fixture----as much as it may seem odd, it can make sense in a myriad of ways. My friends and I used to battle on the issue all the time---with one of my bros always saying that there'd be none of the things we experience in the earthly realm with marriage like the joy of passionate sex or companionship...as in his view, that's only to reflect the relationship we..the church.. have/will consumate fully with Christ in the Heavens and the Wedding Banquet according to Ephesians 5:22-33, Matthew 22:1-14 and Revelation 19:6-8 ..and though marriage/man not being alone was something God said was "good" in perfection (Genesis 2:19-24), there's a view that holds to the concept of man at that time not being made complete....beliving that the Perfection Account was an issue of man being glorified rather than being fulfilled---with that being interupted, the image of God being tarnished...and Christ restoring the process/making it even more wonderful.


In example, consider what was said before when the Bible shows man on a DIET with eating trees/food that God had outlined. As the Bible already makes clear that man was not made immortal/was in a process of going toward immortality, as seen in Genesis 3 when man is forbidden to eat from the Tree of Life. As it stands, God made man from the dust of the earth. And scripture says that from dust we came and to dust we shall return. Was that ONLY valid IF man falls?? Or would an unfallen Adam eventually return to dust? I think there would be nothing wrong with considering pre-fallen Adam going back to the dust at some point.

For God did say that before excluding Adam from the Garden. That could either have been a statement of faith, or a statement of the pre-existing norm. If that is the case - could the Resurrection or a form of it have already been in the plans before Adam fell out of grace? What we know is that had Adam eaten of the fruit of the Tree of Life, he would have entered into eternity spiritually dead and awaiting judgment with no hope. For even the condemned are resurrected and live eternally in that resurrection of the condemned in the final death and suffering. That is what God saved Adam and mankind from when He excluded him from the Garden and the fruit of the Tree of Life.


Because he did not eat of that fruit, he and we were blessed to have the opportunity to have our slates cleaned - to live a temporal life with the hope of bearing fruit to salvation thru the Covenant and faith by the plan God set in place to reconcile us to Himself. He made it so we can be reconciled by denying us that fruit in the Garden! For the righteous that fruit was a blessing to eternal life in God's pleasure - but for the sinful, that fruit is a curse to an eternity of enmity with God. Enmity with God is death. Peace with God is Life. God set the plan in motion by the promise at the Garden and by the forced exodus from the Garden of Adam. Salvation did not begin with Christ but rather was fulfilled by Him.


On the issue of things not being "fixed"/adjusments being made, Its something worth considering. ...concerning going from one state into another ...and even Christ Himself went through the process....growing up in wisdom/knowledge as Luke 2:39-41/ Luke 2 and Luke 2:51-52/ Luke 2 , becoming a man/grown adult--as with all humanity ( Hebrews 2:13-15 / Hebrews 2 / )---and then dying only to go into a NEW state of glorification and taking God's people into the same (Galatians 3:25-27 / Galatians 3, Galatians 4:5-7 /Galatians 4 / Colossians 1:17-19 /Colossians 1/Romans 8:16-18 Romans 8 Romans 8:28-30 /Romans 8 2 Peter 1:3-5/2 Peter 1 ).


And for those believing in historical church concept from the early Church Fathers known as Theosis---the process of becoming more like/being made by the Spirit daily as more like the Lord and reflecting Him, it'd make sense that God made Adam to go through growth and stages----with the Final Stage being partaking of the Tree of Life to be glorified/live forever.....and, after remaining in the Spirit of God for so long, sealing the deal PERNAMENTLY--------and with some institutions being set up so like trials. For more info, one can go online/look up an article entitled "The Nachash and His Seed: Some Explanatory Notes on Why the “Serpent” in Genesis 3 Wasn’t a Serpent"[/COLOR] () and "The Divine Council-- Deuteronomy 32:8 and the Sons of God" ( //).



Connecting that all back with the theory behind temporary marriage, Again, vven in perfection, there were still things missing that God took note of---and according to the view, as man was in a process of transformation, at that time having a mate was necessary....if for no other reason, for a time of multiplying/being fruitful ( Genesis 5:2-4 ) and having the ability to reflect the Lord fully ( Genesis 5:1-3 )


God said in Malachi 2:10-16 and other passages ( Proverbs 2:17, Ezekiel 16:8-14, Matthew 19:1-12, etc) that marriage is a Divine covenant, a three-way relationship between a couple and the Lord, that was meant to glorify Him by producing GODLY OFFSPRING.......in line with Gods original mandate to man to be fruitful/multiply in Genesis 1:26-31. Jude 1:13-15 echoes the same thought when it comes to the prophesy that many in God's name would come forth after Him----an expansion of God's Heart to have a LARGE FAMILY of others who'd reflect him......children of faith.

The motif of "being fruitful and multiplying" recurs throughout Genesis with association with Divine Blessing (Genesis 9:1-7, Genesis 17:20, Genesis 28:3, Genesis 35:11, Genesis 48:4, ec)==serving as the basis for the worldview that raising Godly Children is apart of God's creation for mankind.....as his plan was that the whole earth be populated by those who know Him/serve wisely as his vice-regents or representives. And with the charge to "subdue the earth/have dominion", the idea is that man/woman are to make the earth's resources beneficial for themselves, which implies that they would investigate/develop Earth's resources to make them useful for human beings generally, responsibily using things with the same sense of care that God has toward the whole of his creation (Psalm 8, Genesis 2). And "Dominion/Subdue" mandate provides the the foundation for wise/scientific and technological development and reflecting God by creating as He does.



With that in mind, one factor to consider is that being fruitful/multiplying does not necessarily mean that it was meant to be done FOR ALL TIME----as its possible for a LIMIT on multiplication occurring once something has been effectively filled....with enough made to subdue to it according to God's designs. Hence, why its possible that even in the Creation Account God could have made marriage then with a starting/ending point somewhere........with the time of its institution being something that would reflect his heart/relationship with man and then, once being fulfilled at one stage, opening up the door to go into another phase/ something far more grand than can be imagined.
 
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My wife tells me I don't get to escape that easily. Muahahaha
If you have a chance, would be interested to see what you (or your wife, for that matter) think about this article entitled "Marriage In Heaven << What the Bible says "()---for there, it seems to deal with the statements the Lord made on marriage....and how many read into them the idea that Jesus was saying marriage would end when it could be more than possible that his statements dealt with the concept of marriage that the Sadducees had....something that was far from Biblical marriage anyhow.
 
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My wife is not a scripturalist. My wife cannot absorb, nor understand what is written there. But, my wife is very spiritual in that on occaision, The Ruach HaChodesh has sponen to me through her ignorance--if you will. I was coming home from work one day, and my wife says "Is there a book called JOB (pronounced like employment)" ? I laughed at her a little and told her the correct pronunciation. Then, she says "G-d wants us to read JOB. So, through her ignorance, the Holy Spirit works because he knows that I have a fair grasp of the scriptures. Many times, this has taken place, and it was always pertinent to our situation, and right on time. Some would be skeptical of such a thing, and that's fine. So, her understanding of scripture is almost invalid.
As for me, I married her 27 years ago. What happens after we are dead is not going to change our relationship, in that the verses posted above were more of a discussion with the Pharisees and what they were supposed to have gleaned from the Tanach already. When we are dead, we will all see what happens concerning those verses, I'm sure. But, really, I will be more concerned about how my G-d views how I loved her and took care of her while I was upon this earth. That is more of an issue to me.
 
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My wife is not a scripturalist. My wife cannot absorb, nor understand what is written there. But, my wife is very spiritual in that on occaision, The Ruach HaChodesh has sponen to me through her ignorance--if you will. I was coming home from work one day, and my wife says "Is there a book called JOB (pronounced like employment)" ? I laughed at her a little and told her the correct pronunciation. Then, she says "G-d wants us to read JOB. So, through her ignorance, the Holy Spirit works because he knows that I have a fair grasp of the scriptures. Many times, this has taken place, and it was always pertinent to our situation, and right on time. Some would be skeptical of such a thing, and that's fine.
Got you on that, concerning where you're coming from. The "Job" comment was humorous...:cool:

As for me, I married her 27 years ago. What happens after we are dead is not going to change our relationship, in that the verses posted above were more of a discussion with the Pharisees and what they were supposed to have gleaned from the Tanach already.
Curious as to what you mean on "change our relationship"---as it seems plain, IMHO, that what happens later doesn't change what we're called to do today in the time we have...but as it concerns wondering what will happen later, that's something to consider (IMHO).
When we are dead, we will all see what happens concerning those verses, I'm sure.
Indeed. Surprises for ALOT of folks, I think.....

But, really, I will be more concerned about how my G-d views how I loved her and took care of her while I was upon this earth. That is more of an issue to me.
Feeling that, as many aren't concerned with how others are treated today...and how we'll be judged for that regardless, whether that be with after the ending of marriage in the age to come or perhaps ROUND 2 of an extension of marriage in the age to come.
 
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I'll try. Some people get caught up in things that are too far down the road. I am married to my wife now and it is my responsibility to her to take care of her best I can. I believe that I will be held accountable for my life with her. I focus on that more than issues of whether we will still be married in the resurrection. I walk my walk instead of wondering what happens at the finish line.
Some hope and believe in a rapture. I don't focus on those type things either. If it happens, then I can't change it, can I? And if it doesn't happen, I will still be doing my walk. So, I focus on my walk. My path that is much narrower than most believe it to be.
Most people think that if they hear from the Holy Spirit that it is a magical, he's going to make you rich kind of thing. Not for me. Hezekiah got rebuked. So, it has been with me. You may call it chastisement if you wish. I'll share something..
I was sitting at home about 6 years ago, and I was watching some preacher on the TV. Everything this preacher said, I had thoughts in my head to rebut everything he was saying. In my mind, I was saying things like"but, you weren't born into my family", or "But, you didn't have to go through this", and many other such thoughts to everything he was saying. My wife got up and went to the door to let the cat out. Then she turns to me with her finger pointed at me and says "Yeah BUT"..."No more doubt from you". So, I was "busted by the Holy Spirit". So, I have been corrected many times like this, and instructed on occasion. My children have watched it, so I don't have to convince them--they know what is happening. My wife is almost a total imbecile concerning the scriptures, but, the Holy Spirit speaks through her on occasion to me and my children. The same Holy Spirit that I read about. But, he put us together a long time ago.
I used to go to my bedroom and read and pray for hours at a time. My wife would stand outside my door laughing at me while I did so. She thought this G-d thing was the stupidest thing she had ever heard of.This went on for a long time-years. Long story short, she believes and the Holy Spirit talks to me through her when he has something for me to know. Otherwise, I do my walk. It is very important. And I know that he watches me and how I behave, and the things I say. Words are very important. Shalom
 
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