Totalitarianism Returns To Europe

okafor · Jun 19, 2011

Europe's ill-conceived policy of multiculturalism and dversity - euphemisms for flooding the continent with Muslim immigrants who refuse to assimilate - is reaping the inevitable rewards of counter-jihad and native opposition groups. The creation of Eurabia is not to be resisted: so far, the iron fist is still covered with a velvet glove...but not for long.

Gates of Vienna: The English Spring

Our English correspondent Seneca III left a comment on last nights post about the EDL. In it he discussed the fitting up of Tommy Robinson, the state crackdown on the EDL, and all that it portends for the coming repression.

I have been waiting for this type of attack on the EDL and the DDL for quite a while now it was inevitable. Every police state makes such a classic mistake sooner or later and by so doing sows the dragons teeth of its own destruction.

What states and their agents accomplish by such actions is to drive legitimate concerns underground, and in the process they move protest to a different plane, first to revolt and then to revolution. And when such measures are implemented in order to sustain and enable an alien invasion they can but bring down the absolute wrath of those so invaded upon their heads.

mindlight · Jun 19, 2011

okafor said:
Europe's ill-conceived policy of multiculturalism and dversity - euphemisms for flooding the continent with Muslim immigrants who refuse to assimilate - is reaping the inevitable rewards of counter-jihad and native opposition groups. The creation of Eurabia is not to be resisted: so far, the iron fist is still covered with a velvet glove...but not for long.

Gates of Vienna: The English Spring

Our English correspondent Seneca III left a comment on last nights post about the EDL. In it he discussed the fitting up of Tommy Robinson, the state crackdown on the EDL, and all that it portends for the coming repression.

I have been waiting for this type of attack on the EDL and the DDL for quite a while now it was inevitable. Every police state makes such a classic mistake sooner or later and by so doing sows the dragons teeth of its own destruction.

What states and their agents accomplish by such actions is to drive legitimate concerns underground, and in the process they move protest to a different plane, first to revolt and then to revolution. And when such measures are implemented in order to sustain and enable an alien invasion they can but bring down the absolute wrath of those so invaded upon their heads.

Many Muslims I know in Europe are actually quite moderate and often live more righteous lives than many of the local Europeans. But there is a hard core who are really deeply committed to this take over plan and those who laugh at this idea are simply naive in my view. I was saying this 20 years ago and even lost a teachers position in a religious education job over this issue. When people realise what is going on there will be a back lash indeed it is already beginning to happen with various hard right parties gaining in popularity across the whole of Europe. But their solutions to this problem are going to be extreme. We are not far from the tipping point in my view. Given the numbers of Muslims in Europe and the possession of nuclear weopans here in Europe my worry is of a genocide of Muslims that will make the Jewish holocaust look like a walk in the park.

okafor · Jun 19, 2011

mindlight said:
Many Muslims I know in Europe are actually quite moderate and often live more righteous lives than many of the local Europeans. But there is a hard core who are really deeply committed to this take over plan and those who laugh at this idea are simply naive in my view. I was saying this 20 years ago and even lost a teachers position in a religious education job over this issue. When people realise what is going on there will be a back lash indeed it is already beginning to happen with various hard right parties gaining in popularity across the whole of Europe. But their solutions to this problem are going to be extreme. We are not far from the tipping point in my view. Given the numbers of Muslims in Europe and the possession of nuclear weopans here in Europe my worry is of a genocide of Muslims that will make the Jewish holocaust look like a walk in the park.

That's a very real possibility. Europeans are very good at war, once the decision is made.

mindlight · Jun 19, 2011

okafor said:
That's a very real possibility. Europeans are very good at war, once the decision is made.

I was talking about genocide and that is not a good thing even if it solves the problem.

Americans are supposed to believe in freedom of religion but when it comes to Muslims they appear to think that their first ammendment does not work.

Kalevalatar · Jun 20, 2011

Indeed. A shame.

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PHenry42 · Jun 21, 2011

If European Muslim immigrants don't assimilate, so what? Are freedom of choice, freedom of way of life, freedom of religion, freedom of values etc privileges that only native-born white people are entitled to enjoy?

okafor · Jun 21, 2011

Elisabeth Sabaditsch-Wolff - daughter of an Austian diplomat, educated in Iran, assistant to the Vice Cancellor of the Republic of Austria, and teacher at an English language institute in Vienna - is just one of many Europeans in recent years to be subjected to a political show trial. She spoke recently at a pro-free-speech conference in Montreal.

Gates of Vienna: Basic Freedoms: A Relic of the Past

For far too long, many of us in the West have taken our basic freedoms for granted. These rights include freedom of individual conscience, the right to assemble peaceably, and the right to practice our religion freely, or to have no religion at all. Perhaps most importantly of all, they include the right to voice our opinions freely and to publish them without hindrance. Nowhere is this attack on free speech more evident than in Europe.

My case was not based on law. It was a political trial. It was intended to silence criticism of Shariah law. It was also intended to discourage anyone who might consider following in my footsteps. The European establishment fears a frank discussion of Islam and its legal doctrines and is reverting to the methods of a totalitarian state to enforce silence on the topic.

This has a historical precedent [in the Second World War era.] Totalitarianism did not come quickly to Austria: It took five years, from 1938 to 1943 for a full-fledged dictatorship to appear, and for people to realize it. If it had come overnight, Austrians would have fought against it. Instead, there was creeping gradualism [in the erosion of] freedom, including freedom of speech.

Reclaiming our nations will not be an easy task, but if we do not make the attempt, European civilization the heart of Western civilization will be destroyed.

Notamonkey · Jun 21, 2011

The more things change, the more they remain the same. It's the same cowards(pre- WWII) in a new era who can't face the uncomfortable truth that evil exists and it's right in front of us. People don't even care to learn anything about Islam based on scripture and comparing it to the history of Islam. Both are consistant with the nature of Islam as laid out by it's founder Muhammad.

Archaeopteryx · Jun 22, 2011

Notamonkey said:
The more things change, the more they remain the same. It's the same cowards(pre- WWII) in a new era who can't face the uncomfortable truth that evil exists and it's right in front of us. People don't even care to learn anything about Islam based on scripture and comparing it to the history of Islam. Both are consistant with the nature of Islam as laid out by it's founder Muhammad.

... Perhaps as laid out by your interpretation of Islam, which more closely matches that of the radicals.

okafor · Jun 22, 2011

Art Vandelay said:
... Perhaps as laid out by your interpretation of Islam, which more closely matches that of the radicals.

More accurately, those who are willing to see the truth.

Archaeopteryx · Jun 22, 2011

okafor said:
More accurately, those who are willing to see the truth.

What a strange word to use when describing interpretation of religious belief. The 'truth' of someone's religion is what they choose to believe.

Staccato · Jun 22, 2011

Apologetics for blatantly racist group, using 'protecting our culture' as an excuse, use minority as scapegoat by extrapolating actions of the few to the many and drawing outlandish conclusions that excite the emotions and overrun reason.

You're right, it is pre-WWII all over again.

Ishraqiyun · Jun 22, 2011

How should the "real" Europeans (White Christians?) go about protecting themselves in your view?

Lokke · Jun 22, 2011

okafor said:
Europe's ill-conceived policy of multiculturalism and dversity - euphemisms for flooding the continent with Muslim immigrants who refuse to assimilate - is reaping the inevitable rewards of counter-jihad and native opposition groups. The creation of Eurabia is not to be resisted: so far, the iron fist is still covered with a velvet glove...but not for long.

i dont think you will fool many people. you dont fool me. it is people like you that talk abaout intollerence of people that are from different country or have different religion from yourselve. you dont want to help them what is Christians suppose to do. Jesus he want his disciples to tell the world about kingdom of God and not just to some people. i have bishop from SK and she want to help people in Malmö and to start a life in new country. she is criticise not by the people o f Malmö but by the people of SK. many people left the church because of this and m y familie also. Christina Odenberg want to show the world what it is to be a Christian, to help people, and to tell them about kingdom of God. she get criticise for this. she is my hero :amen:

mindlight · Jun 22, 2011

PHenry42 said:
If European Muslim immigrants don't assimilate, so what? Are freedom of choice, freedom of way of life, freedom of religion, freedom of values etc privileges that only native-born white people are entitled to enjoy?

There are a lot of themes wrapped up in what you said.

1) For an Evangelical Christian like myself the assimiliation of Muslims into a morally corrosive even decadent European culture is not necessarily the goal. I want to see them convert to be Christians.

2) As a Christian I believe God gave us freedom of will ( or as the Koran says- there is no compulsion in religion) so respect for religious freedoms is important. However the question there is why should we afford Muslims freedoms which they do not afford to Christians in their homelands in the Middle east for instance. Also there are clear limits to freedom when religious belief is used to justify terrorist acts or wife beating for instance.

3) I belong to a church which includes people from every race, nation and main language groups on earth. So your comments about race are irrelevant.

mindlight · Jun 22, 2011

Art Vandelay said:
What a strange word to use when describing interpretation of religious belief. The 'truth' of someone's religion is what they choose to believe.

Relativism rules eh! There are no absolutes except that there are no absolutes.

KarateCowboy · Jun 22, 2011

Art Vandelay said:
... Perhaps as laid out by your interpretation of Islam, which more closely matches that of the radicals.

Perhaps as laid out by your interpretation of his interpretation.

Notamonkey · Jun 22, 2011

Art Vandelay said:
... Perhaps as laid out by your interpretation of Islam, which more closely matches that of the radicals.

Radicals like Muhammad and those who follow after his example.

Notamonkey · Jun 22, 2011

mindlight said:
There are a lot of themes wrapped up in what you said.

1) For an Evangelical Christian like myself the assimiliation of Muslims into a morally corrosive even decadent European culture is not necessarily the goal. I want to see them convert to be Christians.

2) As a Christian I believe God gave us freedom of will ( or as the Koran says- there is no compulsion in religion) so respect for religious freedoms is important. However the question there is why should we afford Muslims freedoms which they do not afford to Christians in their homelands in the Middle east for instance. Also there are clear limits to freedom when religious belief is used to justify terrorist acts or wife beating for instance.

3) I belong to a church which includes people from every race, nation and main language groups on earth. So your comments about race are irrelevant.

Huh, I thought Islam is a geo-political ideology rapped up in a cloak of religion not a race. Oh, well.

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