Yes, yes, another sex before marriage thread *(but please read)

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For many on these forums belief that sex outside the confines of marriage is fine as long as the two involved are "committed". One of the biggest problems I see with this is there is no real commitment if there is no exchange of vows. Let's take a look at it. A person who is "committed" to going to church does not make them saved. A person "committed" to being dunked underwater in a church building does not make them baptized. A person "committed" to eating bread and drinking wine or juice does not mean they have rightfully taken part of communion. A person "committed" to reading the Bible does not mean they're joined to God. ONLY when one accepts Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior do these things bring spiritual meanings. A person who did all these things except accept Jesus as Lord means they are still lost in their sins and have no hope of salvation.

Whether it be for marriage or salvation, a public profession means that we have made a stance and that is where we are standing. Without that public profession there is no commitment. Without an outward public declaration there is no inward solidarity.

We wouldn't tell someone who is lost that they are "fine" if they were going to church and taking communion and reading their Bible but had not accepted Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. We wouldn't tell them not to worry about some public profession of faith, we wouldn't tell them "not to worry, I'm sure God knows that you're trying."

No.

We tell them they must be saved! We tell them that there is no salvation found in anyone else except the the One who bears the name of Jesus Christ!

Vows are important.

In Christ, GB

Vows are important when it comes to property. Israel was the property of God. They belonged to Yahweh. Vows are not important when it comes to harmless pleasure. BTW...there is no public profession needed to enter the Kingdom of God. That sounds like a work to me.

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BTW...there is no public profession needed to enter the Kingdom of God. That sounds like a work to me.

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BTW, There is a need for a public profession. Here are a few:

Matthew 10:32 “Whoever acknowledges me before others, I will also acknowledge before my Father in heaven. 33 But whoever disowns me before others, I will disown before my Father in heaven."

(Public Profession)

Romans 10:9"You must confess with your mouth that Jesus is LORD (and believe in your heart God has raised Him from the dead)"

(Public Profession)

Romans 10:10 "For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved."

(Public Profession)

Romans 10:14 for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved

(Public Profession)

Matthew 7:21 "Not everyone who keeps saying to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will get into the kingdom of heaven"

(Proof that a public profession without the faith is not enough to go to Heaven)

Public profession is not a "work". We don't count opening our hands to receive a gift as "work". Public profession is merely the public receiving of the gift that was bought with such a heavy price at Calvary.


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It is absolutely an issue which requires rigorous study. Notice nobody is on these forums debating whether or not murder is a sin...



I wouldn't assume anything. Prove that it does include premarital sex. The Bible is very direct on what is a sin...because God did not want his people to be ignorant of sin. Leviticus 18 is a good starting place. If a behavior does not appear in a list of OT prohibitions...and that behavior does not violate the "Royal" Law (see James)...then YOU must prove that it is a sin...not the other way around.



But that is what you are doing. Nowhere in the Bible is premarital sex prohibited. If it were...we would expect to find it in the OT...likely Leviticus 18...and it would say something like this: "thou shalt not have sexual relations with a woman prior to entering a marriage covenant with her"



Actually, adultery is a specific type of theft. God his a huge proponent of property rights. During OT times...the woman was the literal property of the man...bought and paid for. If a man who wasn't married to her seduced her...that was equivalent to theft of the husband's property.



Because adultery involves at least one married person and is theft. If two non-married people have sex...who's marriage covenant was violated? What if nobody was harmed and those two non-married people enjoyed themselves and gave thanks to God? Where is the sin?

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no no no. Don't avoid my question, I gave you the definition of what sexual immorality is and want to hear yours. Also, in regard to your statement "you don't see people arguing if murder is wrong", well I would argue you are one of teh few people arguing that premarital sex is right.
"“It is good for a man not to have sexual relations with a woman.” But because of the temptation to sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband. " 1Corinthians 7:1...
Sexual relations here is used synonymously with sexual immorality in the context of outside of marriage, evidence of this is when paul writes "each man should have his own whife and each woman her own husband" This is written directly after the tempation of sexual immorality which is used synonymously with sexual relations in the context of outside of marriage. There is literally nothing that can be said about this verse to misconstrue it any other way.
 
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Matthew 10:32 “Whoever acknowledges me before others, I will also acknowledge before my Father in heaven. 33 But whoever disowns me before others, I will disown before my Father in heaven."

(Public Profession)

Jesus did not say that a public profession was NECESSARY to enter heaven here. Next.

Romans 10:9"You must confess with your mouth that Jesus is LORD (and believe in your heart God has raised Him from the dead)"

(Public Profession)

Confess to whom? Could I confess to God? Paul did not say that "you must confess with your mouth...in public...". Next.

Romans 10:10 "For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved."

(Public Profession)

The word "public" does not appear there. I could profess my faith with God as my audience. Next.

Romans 10:14 for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved

(Public Profession)

Statement of fact...not a public profession. You're reading that into the scripture just like you did with the other examples above. Next.

Matthew 7:21 "Not everyone who keeps saying to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will get into the kingdom of heaven"

(Proof that a public profession without the faith is not enough to go to Heaven)

Actually...no...you left out the next piece where they were doing works in his name.

Public profession is not a "work".

Yes it is.

We don't count opening our hands to receive a gift as "work".

I don't either...but receiving a gift does not equal public profession.

Public profession is merely the public receiving of the gift that was bought with such a heavy price at Calvary.

No...public profession is a work that your religion says you have to do to be saved. Apparently in your religion God isn't powerful enough to save someone on his own? BTW...I was an involved member of a Southern Baptists Church for 5+ years...

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no no no. Don't avoid my question, I gave you the definition of what sexual immorality is and want to hear yours.
O.k. "Sexual immorality" in the Bible is anything that God has forbidden and/or harms another. Some common NT examples are having sex with Temple Prostitutes, engaging in pederasty (common in Greek Culture where Paul was establishing Churches) and adultery.

Also, in regard to your statement "you don't see people arguing if murder is wrong", well I would argue you are one of teh few people arguing that premarital sex is right.
I'm not saying premarital sex is "right" anymore than playing Wii is "right". I'm simply stating that it is NOT a sin because the Bible does not list it as a sin and it doesn't violate Jesus' greatest command.

"“It is good for a man not to have sexual relations with a woman.” But because of the temptation to sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband. " 1Corinthians 7:1...
Sexual relations here is used synonymously with sexual immorality in the context of outside of marriage, evidence of this is when paul writes "each man should have his own whife and each woman her own husband" This is written directly after the tempation of sexual immorality which is used synonymously with sexual relations in the context of outside of marriage. There is literally nothing that can be said about this verse to misconstrue it any other way.
Ah...no. Paul was correcting something that was going on in Corinth. Paul's letter was a REPLY. Do you know what was going on there? When you learn about Greek history and especially what was going on in Corinth and what that city was known for...then historical facts will bring Paul's letter to life. Paul was telling the men believers in Corinth to not have sex with Temple prostitutes (Aphrodite Temple). This history of God not wanting his people to engage in Pagan practices dates all the way back to before Leviticus. Paul said that if they couldn't handle not having sex...then get a wife. Paul makes 3 positive comments toward celibacy (Paul was celibate)...but he also recognized that not everyone could do it. The men in Corinth falsely believed that they needed to completely disengage sexuality and become celibate...but then they burned with passion and had to meet with prostitutes. Paul was steering them in the right direction...he was correcting a false belief while still affirming celibacy.

What I have stated here is not a matter of opinion and it comes directly from Biblical Scholars. Google "1 Corinthians 7 Temple Prostitution" and see what comes up.

It is important to understand scripture in its historical context...otherwise we can make errors and end up with bad doctrine. The fact still stands...the Bible does not explicitly prohibit premarital sex. One can safely assume that premarital sex has been going on since the beginning just as masturbation has. In the OT...God did not want his people to be ignorant of sin...so he gave them exhaustive lists of prohibitions. "Thou shalt not engage in sexual relations prior to being given in marriage" does not appear in those lists. I can't make this stuff up.............................

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ChingChang,
O.k. "Sexual immorality" in the Bible is anything that God has forbidden and/or harms another.
Almost but not quite. Firstly you were asked to give the reason rather than your opinion. 1 Cor 6 says it harms one’s own body which is a temple of the Holy Spirit, unlike other sins which harm others.
Some common NT examples are having sex with Temple Prostitutes, engaging in pederasty (common in Greek Culture where Paul was establishing Churches) and adultery.
Which passages? There was temple prostitution in the Roman, Greek and cultures of the time and pederasty, but the NT doesn’t mention them, the NT, particularly the epistle to the Corinthians mentions that because of so much sexual immorality each man should have his own wife. It also specifically calls out adultery, idolatry, prostitution and men who have sex with men as error. You are attributing these acts to only specific instances of them.
I'm not saying premarital sex is "right" anymore than playing Wii is "right". I'm simply stating that it is NOT a sin because the Bible does not list it as a sin and it doesn't violate Jesus' greatest command.
No. Wii isnt covered at all, sexual relations are. On the basis of your generalisation you wouldn’t consider paedophlia a sin as it is not listed as a sin. I assume you would bring harm to the argument, but nonetheless your Wii argument is useless.
Ah...no. Paul was correcting something that was going on in Corinth.
Ah no, the instruction is consistent with the rest of the Bible which has only faithful man/woman countenanced as God’s creation purpose. Gen 2, Matt 19, Mark 10, Eph 5. Only celibacy and marriage are countenanced so sexual immorality is anything outside that, which is indeed why because of the sexual immorality each man should have his own wife.


When you learn about Greek history and especially what was going on in Corinth and what that city was known for...then historical facts will bring Paul's letter to life.
Well we know, but one has to know what God’s purposes are or one cannot know what cultural practices were wrong.

This history of God not wanting his people to engage in Pagan practices dates all the way back to before Leviticus.
Yes, God’s creation purpose was for man and woman in faithful union; Leviticus describes sexual deviations as what the pagans do which the people of God must not do.


What I have stated here is not a matter of opinion and it comes directly from Biblical Scholars. Google "1 Corinthians 7 Temple Prostitution" and see what comes up.
there are a lot of false teachers about, mostly one sees, if one google’s it gay activism. Gay activism of course tries to deny what the Bible says.

You are correct that it is important to understand scripture in its historical context, but also to recognise the word of God speaks to all cultures with the same truth, His people are to be set apart.


The fact still stands...the Bible does not explicitly prohibit premarital sex.
Well it doesn’t specifically affirm it, and it doesn’t indirectly rule it out. If each man should get his own wife then premaritial sex is included in the sexual immorality.


It is sad that your argument is based on denying what is indirectly indicated by passages such as 1 Cor 7, without any scriptural affirmation for your case.
 
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Almost but not quite. Firstly you were asked to give the reason rather than your opinion. 1 Cor 6 says it harms one’s own body which is a temple of the Holy Spirit, unlike other sins which harm others.

No, I was asked for MY definition (i.e. my opinion):

Silachoo: "Don't avoid my question, I gave you the definition of what sexual immorality is and want to hear yours."

Which passages? There was temple prostitution in the Roman, Greek and cultures of the time and pederasty, but the NT doesn’t mention them, the NT, particularly the epistle to the Corinthians mentions that because of so much sexual immorality each man should have his own wife. It also specifically calls out adultery, idolatry, prostitution and men who have sex with men as error. You are attributing these acts to only specific instances of them.

You are mistaken. I gave my definition of sexual immorality and then gave common examples of sexual immorality during NT times. I have not made an error. If so...then you need to tell me EXACTLY where.

On the basis of your generalisation you wouldn’t consider paedophlia a sin as it is not listed as a sin.

You are sorely mistaken. See my definition of sexual immorality. It really isn't very complicated.

Ah no, the instruction is consistent with the rest of the Bible which has only faithful man/woman countenanced as God’s creation purpose. Gen 2, Matt 19, Mark 10, Eph 5. Only celibacy and marriage are countenanced so sexual immorality is anything outside that, which is indeed why because of the sexual immorality each man should have his own wife.

You are completely discounting what was going on in Corinth and that Paul was writing specifically to address that. Also...since you seem to think you know a thing-or-two about this issue...why don't you tell us why premarital sex or "sexual relations prior to entering marriage" is not explicitly prohibited in the OT???? Would you have us believe that more people had sex with their mothers (Lev 18) than engaged in premarital sex? God does not want his people to be ignorant of their sin.

Well we know, but one has to know what God’s purposes are or one cannot know what cultural practices were wrong.
Yes, God’s creation purpose was for man and woman in faithful union; Leviticus describes sexual deviations as what the pagans do which the people of God must not do.

there are a lot of false teachers about, mostly one sees, if one google’s it gay activism. Gay activism of course tries to deny what the Bible says.

You are correct that it is important to understand scripture in its historical context, but also to recognise the word of God speaks to all cultures with the same truth, His people are to be set apart.

Here is a Biblical truth: sinful behavior harms either oneself or others. If you believe premarital sex is a sin...then it is the most unique sin in the Bible because it is the only behavioral sin in which nobody is harmed.

Well it doesn’t specifically affirm it, and it doesn’t indirectly rule it out. If each man should get his own wife then premaritial sex is included in the sexual immorality.

This is where you're understanding is flawed. This does not imply that premarital sex is included in sexual immorality and therefore a sin. The best....and wisest option would be for a man to get his own wife. That does not mean that premarital sex is a sin...it just means that premarital sex is not a viable option for putting out the flames of passion...it would be only a temporary solution.

It is sad that your argument is based on denying what is indirectly indicated by passages such as 1 Cor 7, without any scriptural affirmation for your case.

How ironic. You can not provide one piece of scripture explicitly prohibiting premarital sex...yet I'm the one without scriptural affirmation. If premarital sex is such a sin...why is it "indirectly indicated"? Why is it never specifically mentioned?

Here is what this boils down to: What was meant by the koline Greek word 'inappropriate contenteia'? I do think the best translation to English is "sexual immorality". Paul was writing to Greeks...using Greek words. If the Greeks read his letter and came across inappropriate contenteia...what would they have thought this meant? This is the approach we must take...because Paul didn't tell them "don't have sexual relations prior to entering into marriage". So...how would his letter have been received? To Paul and the other Apostles, inappropriate contenteia certainly included all adultery (Exodus 20:14), incest (Leviticus 18:6-18), inappropriate behavior with animals (Leviticus 18:23), harlotry, including temple prostitution (Ezekiel 16:41), plus perhaps other offenses unspecified (such as pederasty given the prevalence of the practice by the Greeks and the harm inflicted). But...since he doesn't list premarital sex...and it is not prohibited in the OT...we shouldn't include it.

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ChingChang,
No, I was asked for MY definition (i.e. my opinion):
Ah ok. What use would that be instead of the word of God?

You are mistaken.
If you think I am mistaken then give the passages that mention temple prostitution and pederasty, otherwise you are wrong and misrepresenting me.

You are sorely mistaken. See my definition of sexual immorality. It really isn't very complicated.
It is your definition that is at fault. Something that is half true isn’t true, if its only half true its false. Paedophilia isnt specifically mentioned and thus not in any NT list of sins. When you say you are
simply stating that it is NOT a sin because the Bible does not list it as a sin and it doesn't violate Jesus' greatest command.
Secondly love your neighbour as yourself was not Jesus greatest command. The OT command that Jesus said was the greatest was ‘love the Lord your God’. Jesus also taught that He is the truth the way and the life and His disciples should obey all He taught. Pre-marital sex thus seems to violate all Jesus commands.

You are completely discounting what was going on in Corinth and that Paul was writing specifically to address that.
No you are specifically discounting that God’s creation purpose throughout the Bible applies to the church at Corinth as well. There is no countenance for any pre-marital sexual activity in the NT.

Here is a Biblical truth: sinful behavior harms either oneself or others. If you believe premarital sex is a sin...then it is the most unique sin in the Bible because it is the only behavioral sin in which nobody is harmed.
Where does the Bible say that? No it doesn’t it says this.

1 Cor 6 “18 Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a man commits are outside his body, but he who sins sexually sins against his own body. 19 Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; 20 you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your body.”

How ironic. You can not provide one piece of scripture explicitly prohibiting premarital sex...yet I'm the one without scriptural affirmation.
I can provide scripture which implies pre-marital sex isnt, and you cant provide anything that implies pre-marital sex is. There is a problem with your logic. If because of so much sexual immorality each man should have his own wife, having the wife would be married and thus pre-marital sex would be sexual immorality.

Here is what this boils down to: What was meant by the koline Greek word 'inappropriate contenteia'?
Let me stop you there. That is entirely incorrect. If the meaning of the word agape was simply down to the koine Greek we would never know that God’s agape love is that He sent His Son as an atonement for sin because no-where in ancient greek will you find that definition agape. The meaning of agape is described in the NT, as is inappropriate contenteia, which is fornication outside the faithful man/woman marriage. ie Matt 19.
 
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this argument is getting rather ridiculous, if God did not permit people to have sex with prostitutes then why is it ok to have sex with other people when your not married? It can't be because its adultery because Paul mentions to get married, so he is addressing single people. Is it simply because you pay the prostitute? You pay people for a haircut as well and a massage but that isnt against the Bible. If its all just "harmless pleasure" as ChingChang would like to think, then paying someone for sex would be no different than paying someone for a latte, or paying someone for financial advice, or paying someone for a deep tissue massage etc...If premarital sex was ok biblically then prostitution would be ok as well.
 
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So...if I lust after my wife have a committed adultery in my heart? She is a woman. What if I lusted after her 1 hour before we got married? Have I committed a sin then? What about a non-married woman? What if she lusts after a non-married man? Has she committed a sin?

You're understanding of Jesus' teaching is incorrect. This IS an issue which requires study.

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So u tell me what Jesus was saying. Since I perceived it incorrectly....also God honors marriage how can u lust after your wife?...u tend to bring up hypothetical conundrums that seems to suggest that what other people view about the Bible is incorrect. When in fact all it does is contradict Scripture example christ says if a man lust after a woman.....commits adultery....u pose a question that omits the notion that marriage is the one condition where sex is permitted thus lust is not a factor...its a matter of totality of Scripture. If God honors marriage and tells us to obey the laws of the land and paul tells us if we CAN NOT ABSTAIN FROM SEX THEN GET MARRIED...so explain to what this is saying
...I noticed you always say someones incorrect but never provide any correction...
 
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Where is it in the Bible that says prostitution is ok

Solomon's first great act of wisdom was finding which of two prostitutes was the real mother of a baby. If prostitution were forbidden, or even just a bad thing, surely the wise thing to do there would be to mention something about that instead of just solving their problem?

The above is not proof, I guess, but you're welcome to try to find somewhere in the Old Testament that forbids prostitution in general (rather than just in special circumstances).
 
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Solomon's first great act of wisdom was finding which of two prostitutes was the real mother of a baby. If prostitution were forbidden, or even just a bad thing, surely the wise thing to do there would be to mention something about that instead of just solving their problem?

The above is not proof, I guess, but you're welcome to try to find somewhere in the Old Testament that forbids prostitution in general (rather than just in special circumstances).

Samson had sex with a prostitute and there was no punishment from God associated with it. No word of condemnation.

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So u tell me what Jesus was saying. Since I perceived it incorrectly...

Sure. First, adultery can only be committed when one or more of the two parties involved is married. So, Jesus IS NOT talking to singles. Second, this is a spiritual teaching. Jesus is cutting to the root of the problem...wanting something that doesn't belong to you. Jesus gave us wisdom through parables on this very issue...of being happy/thankful with what God has provided for us and not wanting something that doesn't belong to us (coveting)...or being envious. In this specific case...he is talking about another man's wife. How do I know this? Because during those times (and OT times) the ONLY way a man could commit adultery was by taking another man's wife sexually. The process of adultery goes like this:

Lust --> Coveting --> Adultery

Lust in and of itself isn't bad. In fact...one can lust for Christ. One can lust to be delivered out of this world. One can lust for one's own wife. Lust is simply "an intense longing". The problem is when you lust for something (wife) that doesn't belong to you. Lust quickly leads to coveting (a 10 Commandment no-no)...which can easily lead to adultery (another 10 Commandment no-no).

So...since God is concerned with our heart...and every bad thing that happens in the material world first originates in our heart....he gives us a spiritual teaching. Some may not commit adultery...but still have the lust in their heart for someone else's wife. Jesus is saying simply abstaining from committing adultery isn't good enough.

Does that make sense? It really can't make sense any other way. Otherwise...if we take it literally with no insight what-so-ever we would have to assume anytime we have sexual thoughts about a woman we are sinning...which is CRAZY talk. God gave us sexual desire for a reason...he spoke it into existence when he gave his first command to mankind (go forth and multiply). So we know there is nothing wrong with sexual desire. To say that one can't think about sex until they are married is crazy-talk....

Now...in your opinion...if I lusted for my wife the night before we got married did I sin? If not, why not?

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The moment you lose your virginity, you are "married" to that person. So Adam and Eve were married when they engaged in sexual intercourse for the first time; same thing for countless other human beings throughout history that didn't go through an official marriage ceremony or pick up a marriage license.

So once you are so-married, then you commit adultery if you have sexual relationships with, or even lust after, anyone else.

When the Bible speaks of men who had more than one one wife, or concubines, or used prostitutes, it is describing sin. Just like there are many instances where the Bible talks about people murdering or stealing or lying- also sin.

But this doesn't make it right- this doesn't somehow supersede the 10 Commandments; it is still sin.
 
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Servant of Jesus,
Yes good point, of course. Jesus teaching in Matthew 19 implies that fornication outside the marriage breaks the marriage, fornication is grounds for a divorce.

ChingChang,
Its not about wanting something that doesn’t belong to you, Jesus affirms God’s creation purpose of man and woman in faithful union.

Lust in and of itself isn't bad.
Well that would depend on the definition of lust, as it stands lust is only negative in the Bible, there is no scripture that supports lusting for Christ. One can boast in Christ, but not lust.

if we take it literally with no insight what-so-ever we would have to assume anytime we have sexual thoughts about a woman we are sinning...which is CRAZY talk.
Why is it crazy? If I have ever have thoughts to lie or steal are they not wrong? Have you ring fenced sexual matters yourself?

To say that one can't think about sex until they are married is crazy-talk....
Why?

 
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Solomon's first great act of wisdom was finding which of two prostitutes was the real mother of a baby. If prostitution were forbidden, or even just a bad thing, surely the wise thing to do there would be to mention something about that instead of just solving their problem?
I don't even....First off you judging what the "wise thing" to do is an "unwise" thing in an of itself becuase you do not have the capacity to think like solomon as his gift was divine. Second the point of the story was about solomon's wisdom. Not by any stretch of the imagination can we deduce from that story that prostitution is ok. If i do a good deed for a homeless drug addict and it is recorded in my memoirs but fails to mention if I condemned the person for their lifestyle etc...that does not give anyone reason to assume that I support drugs.
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Lev:19:29: Do not prostitute thy daughter, to cause her to be a harlot; lest the land fall to whoredom, and the land become full of wickedness.

Please no conviluted explanation for this explicitly clear verse. Not the entire Bible is a mystery some is just common sense.

 
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Samson had sex with a prostitute and there was no punishment from God associated with it. No word of condemnation.

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Yeah....and samson also ended his days crushed under rubble with his eyes poked out after years of slavery too...not the bastion of hope if your trying to proclaim him as a sexually moral example..
 
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I don't even....First off you judging what the "wise thing" to do is an "unwise" thing in an of itself becuase you do not have the capacity to think like solomon as his gift was divine. Second the point of the story was about solomon's wisdom. Not by any stretch of the imagination can we deduce from that story that prostitution is ok. If i do a good deed for a homeless drug addict and it is recorded in my memoirs but fails to mention if I condemned the person for their lifestyle etc...that does not give anyone reason to assume that I support drugs.

Perhaps, but you are not in charge of enforcing the laws of the land. Solomon, as king of Israel, was.

Also
Lev:19:29: Do not prostitute thy daughter, to cause her to be a harlot; lest the land fall to whoredom, and the land become full of wickedness.

Please no conviluted explanation for this explicitly clear verse. Not the entire Bible is a mystery some is just common sense.


Sure, no convoluted explanation at all. A parent shouldn't force their daughter to be a prostitute. I think we can all agree on that.
 
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Sure, no convoluted explanation at all. A parent shouldn't force their daughter to be a prostitute. I think we can all agree on that.
On what grounds? Because it is happening, there was a case in the news recently, so not everyone agrees with you.

And Servant of Jesus has highlighted the flaw in your logic, there are many instances where the Bible talks about people murdering or stealing or lying- also sin, or is sexual sin a sacred cow for you?
 
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