Seventh-Day Sabbath: For Some or For All?

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[FONT=&quot]Seventh-Day Shabbath: For Some or For All?[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Shabbath Shalume to all Servants of Yahweh.

Ever since creation, the Almighty YAHWEH (God) has established the Holy Seventh-Day Shabbath. And ever since that day Shatan and his demons have deceived men into disobeying this day. For example, today:

Some Jews say that the gentile are not required to observe and keep the Seventh-Day Shabbath holy. They said that HaShem (YHWH) gave the seventh-day shabbath to the Jews only.

Christians say that Jesus Christ did away with the Seventh-Day Shabbath (Sabbath) on the cross. And the Catholics setup the Sunday as a holy Sabbath to establish that change.

Muslims say that Allah (God) did not rest on the seventh-day shabbath. “The Quran states: "When the call is proclaimed to prayer on Friday, hasten earnestly to the Remembrance of Allah, and leave off business: That is best for you if ye but knew" (62:9)." They also say that since the Jews broke their Sabbath observance; then Muslims do not have to observe their Sabbath. To Muslims, the prophet Mohammed trumps all prophets before him, including Yahshuo (aka Jesus Christ).

These three Aebrahamic religions and the rest of the Sons of Aedam has fallen every generation to the plans of Shatan (aka The Devil) in fulfilling part of the prophecy spoken by Daniel.

"And he shall speak [great] words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to CHANGE TIMES AND LAWS: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time." ---- Daniel 7:25

The Christians changed their weekly days with Monday being the first day and Sunday being the "seventh" day.

Some Muslims changed their weekly days with Saturday (Al-Sabt) being the first day and Friday being "seventh" day.

How can the supporters of these three religions justify this sin with a straight face and say that they obey and honor God?[/FONT]
 

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[FONT=&quot]Some Jews say that the gentile are not required to observe and keep the Seventh-Day Shabbath holy. They said that HaShem (YHWH) gave the seventh-day shabbath to the Jews only.[/FONT]
If this is truly inaccurate, where would we find confirmation that the sabbath was given to all gentiles?[/FONT]

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[FONT=&quot]Christians say that Jesus Christ did away with the Seventh-Day Shabbath (Sabbath) on the cross.[/FONT]
This is not what I believe, nor is it what other Christians around me believe. "Fulfill" does not mean "destroy."[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]And the Catholics setup the Sunday as a holy Sabbath to establish that change.[/FONT]
Sunday is not the sabbath. I don't personally know anyone who believes it is.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]The Christians changed their weekly days with Monday being the first day and Sunday being the "seventh" day.[/FONT]
Wow! I don't know anyone who believes this. As far as I know, the first day is Sunday and the seventh day is Saturday. [/FONT]

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How can the supporters of these three religions justify this sin with a straight face and say that they obey and honor God?[/FONT]
You may want to ask a few questions about what other people believe before you start assigning beliefs to groups of people.

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[FONT=&quot]If this is truly inaccurate, where would we find confirmation that the sabbath was given to all gentiles?[/FONT]


You can't get any plainer than this...

Mark 2:27
And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:

Jesus did not say Israelite or Jew or even children of God, he said man which is from the Greek anthropos - human being.

But of course you already know this and choose to ignore it. Tell me when did Jesus tell us to stop keeping the 7th day Sabbath?
 
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[FONT=&quot]Wow! I don't know anyone who believes this. As far as I know, the first day is Sunday and the seventh day is Saturday. [/FONT]

You may want to look at the European calendars, they have been putting Monday as the first day (left side) and Sunday as the seventh (right side) for a while now.

Here's some links to look at to see for yourself...
EU Calendar - EUROPA
Holidays Europe 2011


My wife even noticed it here when picking up a 2 year planner that alot of them are now being printed this way. Keep up BFA, the plan of a Sunday Law is soon coming, the European Union already has it as part of their charter, just not enforced yet.
 
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ECR, I looked at your links, and the second one makes your point. The first one is a work-week calendar and the often high light the work week as opposed to the calendar week. However, it is not the church or christians who are changing it. It is governments, businesses, etc. for their purposes which is not day of worship. The statement was that christians are changing the caledars.

You may want to look at the European calendars, they have been putting Monday as the first day (left side) and Sunday as the seventh (right side) for a while now.

Here's some links to look at to see for yourself...
EU Calendar - EUROPA
Holidays Europe 2011


My wife even noticed it here when picking up a 2 year planner that alot of them are now being printed this way. Keep up BFA, the plan of a Sunday Law is soon coming, the European Union already has it as part of their charter, just not enforced yet.
 
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ECR, I looked at your links, and the second one makes your point. The first one is a work-week calendar and the often high light the work week as opposed to the calendar week. However, it is not the church or christians who are changing it. It is governments, businesses, etc. for their purposes which is not day of worship. The statement was that christians are changing the caledars.

Ever think it is the churches influence on the state? Remember that church and state will unite again like in the dark ages...

Point being, the calendars are being changed.... then it will be a little easier to say, the seventh day is Sunday.
 
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Yes, ECR, I actually knew this doctrinal argument, probably before you were born. It fits very nicely with our endtime prophecy.

News Flash! Church and state have already united when we put "In God we Trust" on our money. What does state curreency have to do with religion? it is in dangerofbeing united when you believe that your elected government leaders should uphold your(or any) religious beliefs. I could go on, but I hope and pray that you get the message. I think the last thing we need to worry about is some calendars in Europe, when the issues listed above can bring the results you are looking for much quicker and are all ready in place, here in the US.

Taht being said, I agree that the calendars have been changed by some, but when? Has it always been that way all along, or did they change it within the last.....let's say 10 years?


Ever think it is the churches influence on the state? Remember that church and state will unite again like in the dark ages...

Point being, the calendars are being changed.... then it will be a little easier to say, the seventh day is Sunday.
 
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[FONT=&quot]Shabbath Shalume to all Servants of Yahweh.[/FONT]
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If this is truly inaccurate, where would we find confirmation that the sabbath was given to all gentiles?

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[FONT=&quot]Like EastCoastRemnant plainly showed: Mark 2:27. “And he said unto them: The shabbath was made for man, and not man for the Shabbath.” Also Genesis 2:3: “And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.” How many people were on the earth when God made this statement? Answer: Two. Aedam and Chawah (Eve). And since all humans originated from these two, that means that God made the Shabbath for all mankind as well for the rest of his creation.
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This is not what I believe, nor is it what other Christians around me believe. "Fulfill" does not mean "destroy."

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[FONT=&quot]And this is what other Christians believe besides the ones you know.[/FONT]
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Sunday is not the sabbath. I don't personally know anyone who believes it is.

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[FONT=&quot]Many Sabbath keepers already know that Sunday is not the Sabbath. Again, there are Catholics and Christians who believes this besides the ones you know. I suggest you research the Catholic doctrine and speak to Catholics about their Sabbath day.[/FONT]
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Wow! I don't know anyone who believes this. As far as I know, the first day is Sunday and the seventh day is Saturday.

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[FONT=&quot]Like EastCoastRemnant replied: The Europeans setup their calendars to where the first day of the week is Monday. Now, I know that many of them design their calendars this way; because they want to group the work week together. However, this grouping is part of Shatan’s (The Devil’s) plan to permanently shift the work week with Monday being the first day and with Sunday being the seventh-day of the week. People I’ve met believe that Sunday is the seventh-day of the week. And this easy for millions to be deceived; because the days of the week are no longer numbered. Soon most people will not be able to tell the difference without research. :scratch:
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You may want to ask a few questions about what other people believe before you start assigning beliefs to groups of people. ---- BFA
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[FONT=&quot]And you might want to do research outside of your circle of Christians that you know before you began questioning this conspiracy of destroying the seventh-day shabbath observance. You might want to begin asking questions towards Jews, Catholics, and Muslims for starters. :confused:
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Ok so, I am just going to be real(hehehehe) for once. I have a problem with endtime prophecies, etc., because they are bascially totally dependent on satan(or Shatan) to exhibit some kind of behavior that is cooperative with our(any any denoms) end time scenario. I believe he is most infamous for not being obedient to the established rules, in favor of his own, right?
 
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Ok so, I am just going to be real(hehehehe) for once. I have a problem with endtime prophecies, etc., because they are bascially totally dependent on satan(or Shatan) to exhibit some kind of behavior that is cooperative with our(any any denoms) end time scenario. I believe he is most infamous for not being obedient to the established rules, in favor of his own, right?


Hasn't he unwittingly cooperated in fulfilling every other prophesy? Why do you think that God is not able to fulfill His Word?
 
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Oh I believe that God is able. I am just skeptical of everyone's version of how it will happen. I believe we are so stuck there that we, like the Jews, will miss it. they had prophecy and so many rituals pointing to it, and they got caught up in the rituals for religious sake and missed their actual purpose. I believe to day that everyone is just so stuck on the details of how it will happen, that we get folks like Camping who believes he can read them and tell what God says no man knows. We are the same way, because this or that is or is not happening, we really want to believe that we can predict the event, when we can't.

Hasn't he unwittingly cooperated in fulfilling every other prophesy? Why do you think that God is not able to fulfill His Word?
 
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We are supposed to do exactly that, mainly because we are in His presence everyday. he is omnipresent, is He not? Tahtis the danger of being fixated in on a day, we forget that our entire lives are to be worship.



Why can't we worship the LORD seven days a week?

Why does it have to be just one day??
 
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We are supposed to do exactly that, mainly because we are in His presence everyday. he is omnipresent, is He not? Tahtis the danger of being fixated in on a day, we forget that our entire lives are to be worship.


That's why I call myself a "Seven Days Adventist".

"Sabbath" is simple rest. It's not a special worship day, it's a day of rest.

God should be worshipped every day of the week, in Spirit and in truth. In all we do, think and say.
 
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NOTurTypical, if we were friends on facebook, I would be hittin' the "Like" button right about now! Well said!.

That's why I call myself a "Seven Days Adventist".

"Sabbath" is simple rest. It's not a special worship day, it's a day of rest.

God should be worshipped every day of the week, in Spirit and in truth. In all we do, think and say.
 
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Shabbath Shalume,

Ok so, I am just going to be real(hehehehe) for once. I have a problem with endtime prophecies, etc., because they are bascially totally dependent on satan(or Shatan) to exhibit some kind of behavior that is cooperative with our(any any denoms) end time scenario. I believe he is most infamous for not being obedient to the established rules, in favor of his own, right?

Don't take my word for it: Consider the Holy Scriptures of what is written about our enemy. Notice how important to know this enemy and what tremendous power he will have over mankind; even over some of God's people:

“And Shatan stood up against Yishrael, and provoked Dawude to number Yishrael.” ---- 1 Chronicles 21:1

If Shatan (aka Devil) is able to influence the most powerful man in the world (King of Yishrael) at that time; then who is to say that Shatan will not do the same thing to today’s leaders?

“Then entered Shatan into Judas surnamed Iscariot, being of the number of the twelve.” ---- Luke 22:3


If Shatan is able to enter into one of the Messiah’s Jewish leading servants; then who is to say that he will not enter into other influential leaders of today around the world?

“And when the thousand years are expired, Shatan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom [is] as the sand of the sea.”
---- Revelations 20:7-8


This prophecy has not been fulfilled yet. How is it that Shatan will be able to deceive nations all over the world? How is that he will be able to amass an army to fight in the land of Yishrael?
 
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Shabbath Shalume,

Why can't we worship the LORD seven days a week?

Why does it have to be just one day??

The Seventh-Day Shabbath is not only about worship: It is also about keeping it holy and resting:

"Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day [is] the shabbath of YAHWEH thy God: [in it] thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that [is] within thy gates: For [in] six days YAHWEH made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them [is], and rested the seventh day: wherefore YAHWEH blessed the shabbath day, and hallowed it."
---- Third Holy Book of Mashe (Exodus) 20:8-11

Also, the other purpose is that you are being obedient to God's command; and that you are reminding the world that he created the heavens and the earth in six days and rested on the seventh day. You cannot do that with any other day of the week; it would be stupid.

For example, if Sunday is your weekly rest day then your erroneous substitution of the original seventh-day shabbath would be something like this:

In the beginning God rest on the first day, from work that he has not begun yet. Then he began creating the heavens and the earth for the next six days. Why would God rest first from work (i.e. creation of the heavens and the earth) that he has not done yet?

The sin of breaking the seventh-day shabbath is forgetting that God created the universe and earth in six literal days. This non-rememberance has created the weed of evolution.

Also the sin of breaking the seventh-day shabbath is increasing debt, which is the opposite of trying to make a monetary profit on his holy days. This usually accumulates in to other punishments like seven year famine, like the rise in unemployment that we see globally.

And (brace yourself) you cannot make up (or substitute) this weekly seventh-day holy shabbath on another day like the Sunday for the Roman Sun god or the Muslim Al-Jumwah. It does cause for remembrance of a Six-Day Creation followed by a holy rest in the beginning. The only thing you can do at this point is ask God for forgiveness of your weekly sin(s) and pray that you do not do it again.
 
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The Seventh-Day Shabbath is not only about worship: It is also about keeping it holy and resting:

So we should not try to live by the Spirit every day of the week? We try really, really hard not to sin on one day of the week and we get to slack off the other days of the week??

Yes, the Sabbath was a day of REST, not worship. There were 3 feast Sabbaths a year where all men were required to present themselves to the temple, but other Sabbaths a person was to rest.

Now Christ is our Sabbath, we rest in Him. Not one day of the week, but every day, at all times. This is legalist doo doo. What if I want to keep EVERY day as holy as I can, and worship God every day in spirit and in truth EVERY day and not just one per week?

I'm an "Everyday Adventist." :thumbsup:
 
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So we should not try to live by the Spirit every day of the week? We try really, really hard not to sin on one day of the week and we get to slack off the other days of the week??

Whoever said that you should not try to live by the Spirit? Ever since the beginning of Aedam, holy men and women have lived by the Spirit of YAHWEH. Holy men like Noach, Aebraham, Sharah (Sarah), Ya'aqob (Jacob), Ribqah (Rebecca), King Dawude (David), King Shalamah (Solomon), Aeliyahu (Elijah), etc. Every holy men and women in the Bible have been living by the Holy Spirit of YAHWEH, thousands of years before Christianity ever became a religion. Keeping the seventh-day Shabbath holy does not means that you are allow to sin on the other six days. Yahshuo (Jesus) knew this and he and disciples kept it during and after his death and resurrection. In fact, Yishrael and the joining Gentiles kept the seventh-day shabbath as holy while living a holy life in the Holy Spirit, two hundred years later after 70 C.E. And all of these holy people rested and kept the seventh-day holy without "slacking off" on other days of the week. I and others follow in the footsteps of these ancient holy people to this very day with this same understanding.

Yes, the Sabbath was a day of REST, not worship. There were 3 feast Sabbaths a year where all men were required to present themselves to the temple, but other Sabbaths a person was to rest.

The Seventh-Day Shabbath was, and is, and will be a day of rest for all of the sons of Aedam and creation; because YAHWEH, the Almighty God commanded this day to be holy at Mount Sinai. And only He has never cancel this commandment to keep this day holy. You are confusing the commandment to be holy from the commandment to keep a day holy. God gave us instructions on how to be holy in his Ten Commandments and the rest of the Thurah (Torah). Also, YAHWEH gave us commandments on how to keep a day holy apart from other days.

For example: These are step-by-step instructions on how a everyday holy man can keep the seventh-day of the week as a Holy Shabbath (Sabbath):

1. "Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy." ---- Exodus 20:8
God want all of mankind to REMEMBER the seventh-day of the week (aka Saturday) apart from the other six days. This has nothing to do with breaking the other nine of the ten commandments. In other words, the nation of Yishrael knew that they CANNOT murder, steal, or commit adultery on ANY day of the week; but they still had to REMEMBER the seventh-day as a HOLY DAY (aka HOLI-Day).

2. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day [is] the sabbath of YAHWEH thy God: [in it] thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that [is] within thy gates: -- Exodus 20:9-10

Stop doing your regular business of work on the seventh-day of the week; especially for making a profit. This Shabbath is established by YAHWEH; not you or anyone on this earth. YAHWEH said that you don't can work six days of the week; however, you MUST not do any work on the seventh-day of the week (Saturday, Sabado, Al-Sabt). Again, you are still being holy everday of the week; however, on the seventh-day, you are being a holy man or woman that is not WORKING. The same goes for your employees and animals. Animals do not think about walking in the Holy Spirit; and yet we are commanded to not WORK them on the seventh-day of the week. In other words, this particular holiness is not focus on the man and animals but on the day itself.

3. For [in] six days YAHWEH made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them [is], and rested the seventh day: wherefore YAHWEH blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

For thousands of years the ancient holy people in the Bible reminded the rest of the world every seventh-day of the week that: YAHWEH created the heaven and the earth, the sea, and all their inhabitants in SIX LITERAL DAYS. And our ancient forefathers did that while at the same living in the Holy Spirit and being obedient to the rest of the 613 commandments everyday of the week for the rest of their lives; like many do to this very Shabbath today. Again, you cannot do that with other days of the week; it simply would not fit the pattern of creation not matter how Sunday-keeping Christians and Friday-keeping Muslims try to rationale their rebellous weekly pre-planned sins.

Now Christ is our Sabbath, we rest in Him. Not one day of the week, but every day, at all times.

You obviously do not understand the teachings about Christ being our Sabbath. You are taking this teaching out of context and applying it towards the weekly Sabbath; in which neither God nor Christ ever taught. I assume that the "rest" in which you are referring to is found in Timothy's Letter to the Hebrews (Hebrews 3 & 4).

Hb 3:11 "So I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.)" ---- Hebrews 3:11

The "rest" referred to in the above was the Promised Land prophesied by YAHWEH to one generation of the Sons of Yishrael during their 40 years of wandering in the Middle Eastern wilderness. However, another generation entered into that "rest" (i.e. the Promised Land) and yet they still kept the weekly seventh-day shabbath by resting on that day; as they were commanded by the Almighty God himself. Therefore, clearly, there are two different "rests" we are talking about here.

And why was that generation of Yishrael was unable to enter into that particular "rest"? The answer immediately followed Hebrews 3:11:

"Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God." ---- Hebrews 3:12

In other words, they not only disobeyed the weekly seventh-day shabbath; but they also broke all of the other commandments of Yahweh because they did not TRUST (i.e. have faith) and BELIEVE in YAHWEH as their God.

[3] "For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world."

[4] "For he spake in a certain place of the seventh [day] on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works."

[5] "And in this [place] again, If they shall enter into my rest."

[6] "Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:"

[7] "Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts."

[8] For if [Yahshwo] had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.

[9] There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.

[10] "For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God [did] from his."

[11] "Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief."

[12] "For the word of God [is] quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and [is] a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart." ---- Hebrews 4:3-12

The rest that Yahshwo (aka Jesus) spoke of is the rest from justifying your salvation by obedience to God's law (Thurah). This is a different rest from the rest of your daily works on the weekly seventh-day shabbath. Otherwise:

1. Yahshwo would have announced it publicly that only one of the ten commandments is abolished and is not longer good but evil; however, he didn't say that.

2. The early followers of Yahshwo would not have rested on the seventh-day shabbath after Yahshwo's death on a cross.

3. Shaul (Paul) would not have kept the seventh-day shabbath.

4. The gentile believers would not have kept the seventh-day shabbath to listen to Shaul's teaching in a Jewish synagogue.

You see, they kept both rests:
1. They rested from their weekly works on the seventh-day shabbath by keeping that particular day holy.
2. They rested from their own attempts to justify their salvation apart from Yahshwo (Jesus Christ) by instead accepting Yahshwo as their Savior and Messiah.

This is legalist doo doo. What if I want to keep EVERY day as holy as I can, and worship God every day in spirit and in truth EVERY day and not just one per week?

The legalist manure that you smell is burning on a pile of man-made (legalist) laws like Sundays, Fridays, and other days replacing or down-playing God's holy days: The weekly seventh-day shabbath. Again, you can keep any day holy as you prefer; but your choice does neither trump, negate, nor do away with God's holy laws. You are confusing yourself being holy with keeping a day holy. For you to be holy you must obey God's holy laws; for a day to be holy you must follow God's way on how to keep a day holy (i.e. stop working and rest in the case of the seventh-day shabbath). It is not about you but it is about the DAY.

I'm an "Everyday Adventist."

Like I said before, other people were holy everyday; and yet they still kept one day holier than the other based on God's laws not man's laws. I too am a holy man everyday; but that does not mean that everyday is holy. Yishrael did not question this at Mount Sinai; because they were holy everyday; however, not everyone of their days were holy except for those days spoken from God himself. Now why can't we follow him instead of the Devil's ways?
 
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