Is Doing Homework on the Sabbath Sin?

No, Christ is the believers Sabbath. The entire purpose for the Sabbath was to typify the Lord and the rest His people have in Him. Hebrews 4.

the particular baptist said:

No, Christ is the believers Sabbath. The entire purpose for the Sabbath was to typify the Lord and the rest His people have in Him. Hebrews 4.

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That's really interesting. Do you keep a physical day of rest at all?

General Mung Beans said:

Would doing homework on the Sabbath be sin? And would it be sinful to do any sort of recreational activities?

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I would go to the Presbyterian Forum to get this question answered some people here say you don't have hold the sabbath.

General Mung Beans said:

Would doing homework on the Sabbath be sin? And would it be sinful to do any sort of recreational activities?

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My study of the texts related to Sabbath observance have lead me to the conclusion that we are required to commit 1 day in 7 to a Sabbath rest - not necessarily any one particular day of the week.

That being said, we need to understand what Jesus taught regarding the day of rest. It was NOT to be a burden.

The day is founded upon the principle that God has made full and adequate provision for our needs. That includes adequate time and resource to fulfill the first part of the Sabbath command, to finish all of our work in 6 days. That is, it is NOT appropriate to put off until Sunday work that can be done sooner. The need for work that manifests on the Lord's day can be done without transgressing the law to rest.

Jesus commanded the man to pick up his bed and walk. This was not a command to sin. I understand that Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath, but I believe that means that He truly understands its intent and requirements, not that He was allowed to deviate from those requirements or permit others to do so.

So, is it right to put off mowing my lawn until Sunday because I just don't feel up to it today? No - not if Sunday is my one day in seven. God gave me sufficient time and warning to get it mowed during the 6 days provided to do all of my work. I should take the Lord's day and commit it to its intended purpose.

However, if the snow slides off of the roof into my driveway on Sunday, it is appropriate to shovel that snow? Sadly, yes. It was not within my power to do it sooner.

My resting on the Lord's day is my testimony to Him that I trust in His full and adequate provision of all things. And that rest is a blessing to me. It only becomes a burden when I am either 1) not trusting in Him, or 2) not taking the appropriate advantage of the 6 days provided, and put off my work until it "must" be done on the 7th day.

Still, we must remember the the Sabbath was made for you, not you for the Sabbath. Its observance calls for wisdom not dogged, mindless compliance. If I, because of my foolishness and negligence, wander into a pit of my own making, am I not allowed to dig my way out because its the 7th day? Am I afforded less grace than an ox? That is a reasonable question. What would the Spirit lead you to conclude. What I know for sure is that I must be more diligent going forward - be less foolish going forward - a avoid the pit.

Blessings,

You're going to find that there are differences in the Reformed tradition about the Sabbath. I'm not talking about typical liberal/conservative differences (although those are present as well), but even within more traditional Reformed. Many Reformed believe that Sunday is the Christian Sabbath, and apply strict Sabbath rules, but many do not. They believe that the Sabbath is still Saturday, but that Christians are no longer under the Sabbath legal requirements. Instead our worship is free. Msortwell's response is a particularly gracious version of the view that there is still a Sabbath. I take the other approach.

I hold the latter belief. I would say that technically speaking it's not a sin to work on Sunday, and it's not even a sin to miss Church, because our worship is free, and not legally mandated. HOWEVER, I would expect that Christians would voluntarily take on the discipline of going to Church regularly. I would also say that if you don't take time off roughly once a week from work or homework, the qualify of your life, and particularly your religious life, is going to decay.

I think recreation is a good idea. As I understand it, the Jewish Sabbath was about not doing work. I honestly don't know whether in 700 BC there was any equivalent of kids hanging out in the mall. My sense is that until fairly recently, humans were really near the edge. For many families, it took the whole family working to raise enough food or do other economic activities just to keep their heads above water. And of course in a traditional cultures, kids from a fairly young age were an essential part of the workforce.

In the modern US we have different challenges. Not necessarily less, but different. Most of us are engaged in activities where we need now and then to get our minds off our job, or we'll get stale. I'm a programmer. I continually find that if I just keep beating my head against a problem, at a certain point I stop making progress. I have to go do something else. Recreation also has an important role in binding families and friends. In a traditional culture you worked with your family, and the challenges you faced there helped build your relationship. Today we work with strangers. It's important to do things with your friends and families. There are things other than recreational you can do, e.g. service activities of various sorts. But in today's situation, where we don't have to work 24x7 to stay alive, and our work isn't with our family and friends, I think there's good reason to do moderate amounts of recreation, both individual and with friends and family.

You don't say anything about why you're having to do homework on the Sabbath. if it's that you're running out of time, I have a caution. Many of the kids I know are over-programmed. Their parents have to make appointments just to see them I think that's a really bad idea. You need some time to yourself, and for quiet things with family and friends. If that's your situation, you should consider backing off the activities. But in some cases you're just stuck. Between parents, school, and other activities you don't have much control of your schedule. If that's your case, you do your best, and trust that God will understand. He will. And don't feel guilty about doing things on the Sabbath (if it really is the Sabbath, which I don't actually think) that you'd rather not.

General Mung Beans said:

Would doing homework on the Sabbath be sin? And would it be sinful to do any sort of recreational activities?

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Not at all. Plenty of faithful christians have done homework on Saturday with no guilt at all. We have freedom in Christ because he has fulfilled the law.

Christians can break the Sabbath all they want the fact it is still a command that we must obey. The law is not voided because Christ came when he specifically tells us to follow the law.

To quote the Westminster Confession of Faith:

Chapter XXI

Of Religious Worship, and the Sabbath Day

VII. As it is the law of nature, that, in general, a due proportion of time be set apart for the worship of God; so, in His Word, by a positive, moral, and perpetual commandment binding all men in all ages, He has particularly appointed one day in seven, for a Sabbath, to be kept holy unto him:[34] which, from the beginning of the world to the resurrection of Christ, was the last day of the week: and, from the resurrection of Christ, was changed into the first day of the week,[35] which, in Scripture, is called the Lord's Day,[36] and is to be continued to the end of the world, as the Christian Sabbath.[37]

VIII. This Sabbath is to be kept holy unto the Lord when men, after a due preparing of their hearts, and ordering of their common affairs beforehand, do not only observe an holy rest all the day from their own works, words, and thoughts about their wordly employments and recreations,[38] but also are taken up the whole time in the public and private exercises of His worship, and in the duties of necessity and mercy.[39]

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hedrick said:

You're going to find that there are differences in the Reformed tradition about the Sabbath. I'm not talking about typical liberal/conservative differences (although those are present as well), but even within more traditional Reformed. Many Reformed believe that Sunday is the Christian Sabbath, and apply strict Sabbath rules, but many do not. They believe that the Sabbath is still Saturday, but that Christians are no longer under the Sabbath legal requirements. Instead our worship is free. Msortwell's response is a particularly gracious version of the view that there is still a Sabbath. I take the other approach.

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You mean you take the NON-gracious approach?

Seriously, I believe (lower case 'b,' far short of dogma, and shy of a confiction) that this "gracious version" is what Christ was teaching when He instructed others regarding the correct view of the Sabbath observance in their day.

What I believe is clear is that even the first century Jew was not intended to be ENSLAVED to NOT lifting a finger to feed himself, etc. I believe that such an enslavement was the error of the Pharisees.

Obviously there are reformed people with different views here. The determining factor is if you hold to a covenant or a dispensational view.

Please check out the following article as an impetus for further study before you determine one way or another:


Covenant Theology Versus Dispensationalism

I hold a dispensational view so I feel no need to observe any Sabbath laws. Those who hold to a covenantal view will generally feel a need to obey Sabbath laws.

ReformedChapin said:

To quote the Westminster Confession of Faith:

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Calvin, on the other hand, says that the Sabbath is abrogated. Rather than calling the Lord's Day a Christian Sabbath he says it is a substitute for the Sabbath.

In his view the Sabbath per se is abrogated. However the moral aspects of the command remain. He sees those as

1. Periodic rest from our work, to give God a chance to work in us through his Spirit

2. Regular meditations in private, and meetings of the Church. (Every 7 days is convenient but the actual number isn't essential. He wishes it were practical to do it every day.)

3. Allowing servants and others under us time to do the same. (Recall that the Sabbath was mandatory for the whole family and all servants.)

I'm not sure this is covenantal vs. dispensational. I think it's one of those areas where two approaches have been present among the Reformed since the beginning.

Note however that Calvin's approach and a properly non-legalistic celebration of a Christian Sabbath end up in very much the same place. In either case if the original poster is stuck, he can do what he needs to do without fear of upsetting God.

liesje said:

That's really interesting. Do you keep a physical day of rest at all?

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Sundays, but not because i observe the Sabbath. The Sabbath was only a type, the reality is Christ.

Nice try to get out of homework bub! Haha. I'm just kidding. I have no idea but I doubt it would be.

Osage Bluestem said:

Obviously there are reformed people with different views here. The determining factor is if you hold to a covenant or a dispensational view.

Please check out the following article as an impetus for further study before you determine one way or another:

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[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]A Matter of Law Versus Grace[/FONT]
[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]By Bob Nyberg[/FONT]​

Covenant Theology Versus Dispensationalism

I hold a dispensational view so I feel no need to observe any Sabbath laws. Those who hold to a covenantal view will generally feel a need to obey Sabbath laws.

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The heresies of Scofield and Darby notwithstanding, historic baptists, to a man, were non-dispensationalists, taught that the Sabbath typified Christ. No one put a hand to work on the sabbath, no one put a hand to work for salvation, to sully the Atonement, etc, and many others. Hebrews 4, Christ the Sabbath rest for the people of God.

Anyone interested in knowing what historic baptists taught before Scofield, look up the Gospel Standard Baptists and the Strict & Particular Baptists of England.

the particular baptist said:

The heresies of Scofield and Darby notwithstanding, historic baptists, to a man, were non-dispensationalists, taught that the Sabbath typified Christ. No one put a hand to work on the sabbath, no one put a hand to work for salvation, to sully the Atonement, etc, and many others. Hebrews 4, Christ the Sabbath rest for the people of God.

Anyone interested in knowing what historic baptists taught before Scofield, look up the Gospel Standard Baptists and the Strict & Particular Baptists of England.

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When someone says they are dispensational doesn't always mean what you might think it does. Personally I think there is just as much to be learned from dispensational theologians as there is to be learned from the classical theologians. They just excel in different subjects.

For instance, I am a supralapsarian 5 point calvinist soteriologically. I am Premillenial eschatologically. Regarding ecclesiology I see a difference between Israel and the Church but not a separation. I believe that the church is grafted into Israel. Not the other way around. This article clears that up: Israel and the Church - What's the Relationship?

Involving God's dealing with mankind I believe the bible teaches a dispensational model. I also think that everyone not making animal sacrifices on an altar agrees with me to some level.

So, I don't believe we are under the law. We are part of the church and are not required to observe levitical laws or the 10 commandments. We have simply standardized a day to meet because it's better organized that way. There is no commandment for the church to set aside Sunday as a Sabbath like the Jewish Saturday.

Regarding the reformation and the theology of it, I believe the Reformation has never stopped, some churches just haven't reformed far enough or they would have abandoned paedo baptism.

That being said, you will notice that I am a member of a Baptist church but I support both Baptists and Presbyterians on my website because they both preach a correct gospel and the preaching of the gospel is the primary mission of the Church. I can worship in either one with a good conscience but I want my resources and work to support the Baptists because I believe they are closer to biblical truth. And that being said I don't believe any denomination or system has biblical truth 100% correct. I am please to support the Together for the Gospel movement among Presyterians, Baptists and John Macarthur and some other non denoms. Here is a link to that: http://t4g.org/

Osage Bluestem said:

For instance, I am a supralapsarian 5 point calvinist soteriologically. I am Premillenial eschatologically.

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Youre what they call a leaky dispensationalist, right ? Because dispensationalism has had holes poked through it ?

Osage Bluestem said:

Regarding ecclesiology I see a difference between Israel and the Church but not a separation.

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This

Osage Bluestem said:

I believe that the church is grafted into Israel.

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And this ^ , is whats called an oxymoron.

Was there a difference between Rahab, Ruth, and Israel after they were grafted in ? None.

You see, Israel was never a race, because Abraham was a gentile pagan before God called him. Israel was yesterday and is today people bound by a covenant. Because you and I are in Christ, if indeed we are, we are in Him because of an unconditional covenant, while Israel after the flesh belonged to a conditional covenant. There has always been Israel within Israel. Paul said, a true jew is one inwardly who is circumcised of the heart. Paul said to the gemtile and jewish believers that we are the true circumcision.

If i can recommend one old school baptist it would be Mr John Gill. Consider his notes on Micah 7:18-20 "Who is a God like unto thee, that pardoneth iniquity, and passeth by the transgression of the remnant of his heritage? he retaineth not his anger for ever, because he delighteth in mercy. He will turn again, he will have compassion upon us; he will subdue our iniquities; and thou wilt cast all their sins into the depths of the sea; Thou wilt perform the truth to Jacob, and the mercy to Abraham, which thou hast sworn unto our fathers from the days of old."

"and passeth by the transgression of the remnant of his heritage?"

the people of God are his portion, his lot, and his inheritance; they are a remnant according to the election of grace, chosen of God, taken into his covenant, redeemed by Christ, and called by grace, and brought to repent and believe; these God forgives, even all their transgressions, sins, and iniquities of every kind; which is here expressed by another word, "passing them by", or "passing over them": sin is a transgression or passing over the law, and pardon is a passing over sin; God taking no notice of it, as if he saw it not; not imputing it to his people, or calling them to an account for it; or condemning and punishing them according to the desert of it; but hiding his face from it, and covering it

"Thou wilt perform the truth to Jacob,"

.... That is, the promise made to Jacob, the Lord would faithfully perform and make good to his posterity, natural and spiritual, especially to those who are Israelites indeed; [Romans 2:28-29]

"and the mercy to Abraham"

the gracious promises made to him, which sprung from mere grace and mercy; all respecting his natural and spiritual seed; and especially the promise of the coming of the Messiah, that seed of his in which all nations of the earth were to be blessed; and which is the eminent instance of the mercy and grace of God to Jews and Gentiles, that walk in the steps of Abraham.

the particular baptist said:

Youre what they call a leaky dispensationalist, right ? Because dispensationalism has had holes poked through it ?

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All of the systems have holes in them. The only thing that has no holes is the bible itself. I believe the dispensational model is most biblical in explaining God's dealings with mankind. However, I am a bit progressive as I believe the gentile Church is grafted into Israel while the Jewish Church is remnant Israel. Together Jew and Gentile are both part of one church but they are still Jew and Gentile. Paul never lost his Jewishness, for instance and referred to himself as a pharisee.

You see, Israel was never a race, because Abraham was a gentile pagan before God called him. Israel was yesterday and is today people bound by a covenant. Because you and I are in Christ, if indeed we are, we are in Him because of an unconditional covenant, while Israel after the flesh belonged to a conditional covenant. There has always been Israel within Israel. Paul said, a true jew is one inwardly who is circumcised of the heart. Paul said to the gemtile and jewish believers that we are the true circumcision.

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Biblically I see there are really two different kinds of people ethnically in the world, Jews and Gentiles. Some Jews will not be saved because they reject Christ. Some will be saved because they accept him. Gentiles when they become saved JOIN the Jews not the other way around. The church is fundamentally Jewish and it incorporates all of the elect in this age. However, there is still national and ethnic Israel and there will be promises to them that are fulfilled because eventually they will all repent and acknowledge Christ as it says in Zechariah.

If i can recommend one old school baptist it would be Mr John Gill. Consider his notes on Micah 7:18-20 "Who is a God like unto thee, that pardoneth iniquity, and passeth by the transgression of the remnant of his heritage? he retaineth not his anger for ever, because he delighteth in mercy. He will turn again, he will have compassion upon us; he will subdue our iniquities; and thou wilt cast all their sins into the depths of the sea; Thou wilt perform the truth to Jacob, and the mercy to Abraham, which thou hast sworn unto our fathers from the days of old."

"and passeth by the transgression of the remnant of his heritage?"

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I love John Gill. I believe that remnant Israel is the Jews who embrace Christ and gentiles who embrace Christ are grafted into Israel. Had Mr. Gill just gone that one step further he would have been fine. His soteriological writings and his writings on God are outstanding though. I have posted some of them on my website already as well as a link to all of Pastor Gill's works.

However, this cannot be simplified into a covenant of works vs a covenant of grace because there have been many covenants and many dispensations of God's revelation and grace to Israel and now finally to the whole world. There are different people that God has dealt with differently although they have the one common mode of salvation in that all salvation comes through Jesus Christ.

Osage Bluestem said:

All of the systems have holes in them. The only thing that has no holes is the bible itself.

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Right on

Osage Bluestem said:

I believe the dispensational model is most biblical in explaining God's dealings with mankind.

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It cannot be the most bilbical because it is only 150 yrs old, and only "mainstream" for the last 75 yrs. The flocks of God knew nothing of of dispensationalism until Darby, and nothing in America until the baby sprinkler Scofield, of highly questionable character and conduct, propagated it.

You are aware that he spent 6 months in prison for defrauding the state of money while attorney general, was married with children, had his "conversion" in prison, when he got out he never went back to his family, he abandoned them, there are letters on file of his wife taking him to court for dereliction of duty as husband and father because he had left them to starve and his wife had to find a job to support their children in a day and age when it was shameful for a woman with children to work, even more shameful to have children with no husband unless he was dead. Moody and Sankey knew of Scofields background but because of his charisma as smooth talker he was essential to spreading this "new" hermeneutic. I own this biography written by J. Canfield, The Incredible Scofield And His Book. I recommend it to anyone interested in reading about the man most responsible for dispensationalism.

He candidated at a church in Texas and during the process he led people to believe he was widowed, hididng the fact that he was married with children. After he got the job he granted his wife, privately, a divorce, and married again withing a few short months, making him a perpetual fornicator according to the Book.

Osage Bluestem said:

However, I am a bit progressive as I believe the gentile Church is grafted into Israel while the Jewish Church is remnant Israel.

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Progressing from a rotten foundation built by rotten people (Scofield) is still building off a rotten foundation. Nothing progressing from it changes that.

Osage Bluestem said:

Together Jew and Gentile are both part of one church but they are still Jew and Gentile. Paul never lost his Jewishness, for instance and referred to himself as a pharisee.

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The latter half of Ephesians 2 forever erases the distinction between a saved jew and saved gentile. They are both part of the Israel of God, which is called in Ephesians 2, The Household Of God.

Romans 10:12 "For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him."

Galatians 3:26-29 "For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise."



You are aware that the vast majority of sinners saved during the writing of the NT were jews right ? This is how the Holy Ghost describes the Church, the Assembly, the flock of God;

1Peter 2:9-12 "But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light: Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy. Dearly beloved, I beseech you as strangers and pilgrims, abstain from fleshly lusts, which war against the soul; Having your conversation honest among the Gentiles: that, whereas they speak against you as evildoers, they may by your good works, which they shall behold, glorify God in the day of visitation. "



Do you understand the NT to be the interpreter and final arbiter of the OT ? If you do, than you cannot be a dispensationalist.

Osage Bluestem said:

Biblically I see there are really two different kinds of people ethnically in the world, Jews and Gentiles. Some Jews will not be saved because they reject Christ. Some will be saved because they accept him. Gentiles when they become saved JOIN the Jews not the other way around.

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The only jew that matters is the spiritual jew, to which both saved gentile and jew belong. The only circumcision that ever mattered in the OT church and the NT church was the circumcision of the heart made not with hands. physical circumcision typified the real circumcision, not the other way around.

Osage Bluestem said:

The church is fundamentally Jewish and it incorporates all of the elect in this age. However, there is still national and ethnic Israel and there will be promises to them that are fulfilled because eventually they will all repent and acknowledge Christ as it says in Zechariah.

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The OT is not a stand alone Book. The NT is the interpreter and final arbiter of the OT. The end comes when all the elect gentiles are brought in to Israel, Rom 11:25-26b "For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. And so all Israel shall be saved"

"Blindness in part" means only a partial blindness, because God is still saving His elect among the jews today. God saving those from among them has not ceased and will not cease until the fulness of the gentiles are brought in, "And so all Israel shall be saved"

Physical Israel, like most all the OT, only typified the reality to come later, the Church for whom Christ was the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Osage Bluestem said:

Had Mr. Gill just gone that one step further he would have been fine.

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He would never of had, because he did not understand the Bible to be a wooden literal Book. The Bible is a spiritual Book. Everything in it the OT has a literal fulfillment in history AND a spiritual meaning. Everything in the OT typified Christ and the free grace gospel. Just because we cant see it doesnt mean its not there. Mr Gill's commentaries are available free on esword and in 9 beautiful volumes for only $250 from the Baptist Standard Bearer. Mr Gill did not attend seminary. He taught himself greek and hebrew, and to this day is acknowledged among free grace baptists as the greatest hebrew scholar in history. What he wrote he was taught of God on his knees. As were William Gadsby, Tiptaft, Philpot, and most all old school free grace baptists.

Osage Bluestem said:

However, this cannot be simplified into a covenant of works vs a covenant of grace because there have been many covenants and many dispensations of God's revelation and grace to Israel and now finally to the whole world. There are different people that God has dealt with differently although they have the one common mode of salvation in that all salvation comes through Jesus Christ.

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Brother, there has only been one plan for all God's elect. Salvation by the free, uncontrolled, immutable, unconditional, grace of God. There has only been one plan for the rest. Wrath. In History and today, God has only 2 ways of dealing with people. In Christ, outside of Christ.

I dont know if youve read the biography of George Mueller or not, but he was a doctrines of grace brethren and at one time close friends with Darby. Hear of his experience; ”My brother, I am a constant reader of my Bible, and I soon found that what I was taught to believe (by Darby’s doctrine) did not always agree with what my Bible said. I came to see that I must either part company with John Darby, or my precious Bible, and I chose to cling to my Bible and part from Mr. Darby.”

Here is A.W. Pink, a former staunch proponent of dispensationalism and studied at Moody Bible Institute, his article entitled A Study Of Dispensationalism.

Dispensationalism is not historic, and its certainly not baptist (Scofield was a baby sprinkler), and thankfully, its dying. Its a slow death, but its dying, and it will be remembered as nothing more than a pimple on the back of church history.

hedrick said:

Calvin, on the other hand, says that the Sabbath is abrogated. Rather than calling the Lord's Day a Christian Sabbath he says it is a substitute for the Sabbath.

In his view the Sabbath per se is abrogated. However the moral aspects of the command remain. He sees those as

1. Periodic rest from our work, to give God a chance to work in us through his Spirit

2. Regular meditations in private, and meetings of the Church. (Every 7 days is convenient but the actual number isn't essential. He wishes it were practical to do it every day.)

3. Allowing servants and others under us time to do the same. (Recall that the Sabbath was mandatory for the whole family and all servants.)

I'm not sure this is covenantal vs. dispensational. I think it's one of those areas where two approaches have been present among the Reformed since the beginning.

Note however that Calvin's approach and a properly non-legalistic celebration of a Christian Sabbath end up in very much the same place. In either case if the original poster is stuck, he can do what he needs to do without fear of upsetting God.

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Calvin just wasn't consistant in his application of the OT code. He should have applied the OT code consistantly but with the NT clarification as the Westminster Divines did. Oh wells...hehe The man wasn't perfect, he was just really gifted.

the particular baptist said:

Dispensationalism is not historic, and its certainly not baptist (Scofield was a baby sprinkler), and thankfully, its dying. Its a slow death, but its dying, and it will be remembered as nothing more than a pimple on the back of church history.

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I obviously disagree because the bible is historic and dispensationalism is biblical.

As said earlier if you aren't observing Jewish Law you are in practice dispensational whether you like the name or not.

I think there is a lot of learn from Scofield, Ryrie and the like. I personally like John Macarthur the best though.

We are so far apart here I see no point in continued discussion between us on the matter. It won't go anywhere good.