When is Christ coming? (No specific date setting please)

JesusServant · Jan 14, 2003

Many Christians today believe that the second coming will be soon, probably within the next decade or so.  But for centuries the living have believed it would be soon or in their lifetimes... are we kidding ourselves to think it would be soon or is there concrete scripture and world events that back this up?  A lot of people base it on 1948 and 1967 dates concerning Israel and Jerusalem's re-instatements and the following generation.  I just don't honostly know.  While it appears that armies could encamp all around the middle east very soon and things are getting more and more complicated, it's been this way for a long time hasn't it?  I mean, if I would have lived during Hitlers attrocities, then I would have probably thought the second coming was very soon and that he was the Anti-Christ or something.

Give a basic time-frame and your reasoning through world events and scriptures.  Please don't set a specific time/date for only the Father knows that (I'm looking for more general time frames), but I believe in scripture it is clear that we will know when the time is near.

God bless and play nice!

EDIT: Please forgive my lack of vote options, there are a TON of guess-timates and hypothesiseseses, PM me if you want another option added.  God bless!

Andrew · Jan 14, 2003

The difference is that we've entered the 3rd day or 7th day come 2001, depending on whether you count from the start of the church or from Adam. The believers in past centuries did not have this priviledge.

Brain Damage · Jan 15, 2003

When the end comes .

JesusServant · Jan 15, 2003

Originally posted by Andrew
The difference is that we've entered the 3rd day or 7th day come 2001, depending on whether you count from the start of the church or from Adam. The believers in past centuries did not have this priviledge.

You sound like a YEC, I may be wrong, but I doubt it.  I thought about something quite interesting the other day.  About the 'two days, then on the third I will raise it up' and this regarding Israel/Jerusalem instead of Jesus.  If this theory is true why did so many people who believed in this place the day at 2000 or 2001?  If this was true, with a tiny bit of research one can see that Jesus died on or very near 30 A.D.  which would place 2 days in the 1000 years is a day theory (which IMHO is taking scripture way out of context in that Peter meant that our time is not God's time) at 2030.  In other words, 2000 years from the death of Christ is actually around 2030, not 2000/2001.  So if this theory is true, then we wouldn't know it until around 2030

  I'm sure another group of people wanting to sell books will use this very idea to sell them just like they did around the year 2000. 

JesusServant · Jan 15, 2003

Originally posted by Brain Damage
When the end comes .

VERY profound damage.

DeafPosttrib · Jan 15, 2003

Early Church was expect Lord might come in their lifetime.

Same with us, we are expect Lord might come in our lifetime.

2 Thess 2:2-3 opposite the teaching of imminent. Christians in Thessalonica were rumored, they thought Lord already arrived, or anytime. Paul told them, Lord will not come till we will see apostasy first and the revealed of Antichrist - 2 Thess. 2:3.

In Christ
Rev. 22:20 - Amen!

Jephunneh · Jan 15, 2003

Matthew 24:44
Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

Luke 12:40
Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.

rollinTHUNDER · Jan 16, 2003

It depends on which coming your talking about. The coming to take His bride which will come like a thief in the night, or the second coming when He returns with the entire church, which will be proceeded by signs??

Brain Damage · Jan 17, 2003

Originally posted by JesusServant
VERY profound damage.

 

Yeh I know..I think my statement may have been too deep for a lot of people to grasp . 

Evee · Jan 17, 2003

Hey just remember he could come tonight for an Individual so be ready.

 He could send the death Angel.

 Ewee how creepy does that sound?

It is true though.    

 Evee

Terri · Jan 17, 2003

I voted for "any day now" since you didn't have "any hour now"!

postrib · Jan 17, 2003

Originally posted by Jephunneh
...Matthew 24:44
Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh...

Note that Jesus is referring to when "the Son of man cometh," and he says "immediately after the tribulation of those days... they shall see the Son of man coming" (Matthew 24:29-30). Jesus isn't teaching a 3rd coming. Note that he is speaking to the same believers, the same "ye," in Matthew 24:15 that he is speaking to in Matthew 24:44. I believe Matthew 24:44 is a warning against our becoming unfaithful, for Jesus will come like a thief for us only IF we fall asleep spiritually (Revelation 3:3, 1 Thessalonians 5:4-6). Otherwise we would be saying that as long as we're ready and thinking he will come he can't possibly come.

postrib · Jan 17, 2003

Originally posted by Terri
..."any hour now"...

I don't believe that the Bible anywhere says that Jesus can come to gather us together at any time, but says the opposite (2 Thessalonians 2:1-8, compare Matthew 24:29-31).

In 2 Thessalonians 2:1-8, I believe Paul says that the apostasy and abomination of desolation must occur before the day Jesus comes to gather us together (2 Thessalonians 2:1-4), and that Jesus' coming (parousia) to gather us together must destroy the Antichrist (2 Thessalonians 2:8). We Christians must go through the reign of the Antichrist (Revelation 13:7-10, 14:12-13).

postrib · Jan 17, 2003

Originally posted by rollinTHUNDER
...It depends on which coming your talking about...

Could all of the following passages speak of the same rapture at the same coming?

"I will come again, and receive you unto myself" (John 14:3).

"The coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him" (2 Thessalonians 2:1).

"The Son of man coming in the clouds... with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect" (Matthew 24:30-31).

"We which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord... with the trump of God... shall be caught up together" (1 Thessalonians 4:15-17).

"They that are Christ's at his coming... at the last trump" (1 Corinthians 15:23, 52).

Doesn't the doctrine of a pre-trib rapture require that the 2nd coming be a 3rd coming (Hebrews 9:28), that the last trumpet be the 9th from last (1 Corinthians 15:52; Revelation 8:6; Matthew 24:31), and that the 1st resurrection be the 2nd (Revelation 20:4-6), so that it doesn't really make sense of scripture?

Could the pre-trib doctrine be a false hope held by some unwilling to endure the sound doctrine (2 Timothy 4:3-5) that we Christians must "endure to the end" in the tribulation (Matthew 24:13) with "patience and faith" (Revelation 13:7-10; 14:12-13)?

Originally posted by rollinTHUNDER
...The coming to take His bride which will come like a thief in the night... 

Note the "if" in the following verse: "IF therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee" (Revelation 3:3). Paul confirms that if we watch for that day it will not overtake us as a thief: "Yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night... But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief... let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch" (1 Thessalonians 5:2, 4, 6).

Some believe the tribulation may be for some Christians, but not for the bride of Christ. But there are no Christians outside of the bride, for all believers form a single body (Ephesians 4:4-6), which is the bride of Christ (Ephesians 5:30-32). We Christians who will be in the tribulation are Christians after the cross and after Pentecost, saved in no different way than Christians who have died or will die before the tribulation. Many of us will be slain for the word of God and cry out to the Lord (Revelation 6:9-10); we will have washed our robes in the blood of the Lamb (Revelation 7:14); we will have the testimony of Jesus Christ (Revelation 12:17) and the faith of Jesus (Revelation 14:12) and will be in the Lord (Revelation 14:13); if we die, we will enter into heaven itself (Revelation 15:2); some of us will be beheaded for the witness of Jesus and for the word of God, and we will all live and reign with Christ (Revelation 20:4).

Originally posted by rollinTHUNDER
...when He returns with the entire church... 

Note that at the rapture Jesus will come back "with" all his saints: "Even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him" (1 Thessalonians 4:14); "I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ" (1 Thessalonians 5:23), "to the end he may stablish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints" (1 Thessalonians 3:13).

Terri · Jan 18, 2003

Originally posted by postrib
I don't believe that the Bible anywhere says that Jesus can come to gather us together at any time, but says the opposite (2 Thessalonians 2:1-8, compare Matthew 24:29-31).

In 2 Thessalonians 2:1-8, I believe Paul says that the apostasy and abomination of desolation must occur before the day Jesus comes to gather us together (2 Thessalonians 2:1-4), and that Jesus' coming (parousia) to gather us together must destroy the Antichrist (2 Thessalonians 2:8). We Christians must go through the reign of the Antichrist (Revelation 13:7-10, 14:12-13).

DeputyDan · Jan 23, 2003

WOOO WOOO................ Jesus is coming any day after yesterday.... And thats a fact.....

pcmixoye · Jan 29, 2003

...."The kingdom of God is as if a man should scatter seed on the ground, and should sleep by night and rise by day, and the seed should sprout and grow, he himself does not know how.  For the earth yields crops by itself: first the blade, then the head, after that the full grain in the head. But when the grain ripens, immediately he puts in the sickle, because the harvest is come."  Mk 4:26-29

...."The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field; but while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat and went his way.  But when the grain had sprouted and produced a crop, then the tares also appeared.  So the servants of the owner came and said the him,'Sir, did you not sow good seed in your field?  How then does it have tares?' He said to them, 'an enemy has done this.' The servants said to him, 'Do you want us then to go and gather them up?' But he said, 'No lest while you gather up the tares you also uproot the wheat with them.  Let them grow together until the harvest, and at the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, " First gather together the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into my barn."'"  Mt 13:24-30

There are many more scriptures, but these two give my view.  The key is maturity, both of the Body of Christ and the World Systems. When that maturity occurs, God our father as the great husbandman knows, then the end will come.

Incidentally, to all the third dayers,etal. by ajusting for all the calender changes over the years, the third millenium  actually started around 1994 to 1996.

 

God Bless Pete

 

I can't wait to see him face to face, Hallelujah!!!!!!!!

 

JesusServant · Jan 29, 2003

Originally posted by pcmixoye
...."The kingdom of God is as if a man should scatter seed on the ground, and should sleep by night and rise by day, and the seed should sprout and grow, he himself does not know how.  For the earth yields crops by itself: first the blade, then the head, after that the full grain in the head. But when the grain ripens, immediately he puts in the sickle, because the harvest is come."  Mk 4:26-29

...."The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field; but while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat and went his way.  But when the grain had sprouted and produced a crop, then the tares also appeared.  So the servants of the owner came and said the him,'Sir, did you not sow good seed in your field?  How then does it have tares?' He said to them, 'an enemy has done this.' The servants said to him, 'Do you want us then to go and gather them up?' But he said, 'No lest while you gather up the tares you also uproot the wheat with them.  Let them grow together until the harvest, and at the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, " First gather together the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into my barn."'"  Mt 13:24-30

There are many more scriptures, but these two give my view.  The key is maturity, both of the Body of Christ and the World Systems. When that maturity occurs, God our father as the great husbandman knows, then the end will come.

Incidentally, to all the third dayers,etal. by ajusting for all the calender changes over the years, the third millenium  actually started around 1994 to 1996.

 

God Bless Pete

 

I can't wait to see him face to face, Hallelujah!!!!!!!!

 

Good post Pete.

Matthew 12:24-30 is very explicit as to the Second Coming.  It further shows that the bad tares (evil men) will be gathered together and destroyed, but then He will gather His wheat (Christians) into His barn.  Once again, sounds like we'll be here during the Great Tribulation, BUT we will be preserved in the fire.

BTW, if you start the first millenium at Jesus' birth, then yes 1994-1996 is the beginning of the new millenium, but if you start it at the death of Jesus it's around 2030, so they'll be around a while if Jesus permits

pcmixoye · Jan 29, 2003

Amen, Jesus Servant, this view gives me so much more hope than the pre-trib. Maturity, we are being molded by our situations and circumstances into the image of Jesus. the same situations and circumstances that cause those in the world to embrace antichrist.

"For now we see in a mirror, dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part, the then I shall know just as I also am known." I Cor. 13:12

Hallelujah!!! Thank You Jesus!!!!!!

We're gonna see HIM, I can't wait.

Even so come quickly Lord Jesus.

God Bless Pete

Rize · Feb 2, 2003

I believe that the rapture will occur sometime during the second part of the 7 year period.  It will occur after the number of martyrs are completed (Revelation 6:11) and immediately preceding the wrath of God (the Day of the Lord).

Come bask in the pre-wrath rapture position

  Unless you're hopelessly attached to your current position, you'll have to admit that it's fairly convincing.

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