A few things you will never hear an evolutionist say.

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That verse makes sense.

I have faith that is correct.

I see now how that works.

Are you sure that's Truth?

Yes my professor could be telling us lies.

Were you there?

Nature is merciful, except when she's literally blowing people off the earth, drowning them, or opening up and swallowing them; not to mention lesser things like stinging them, stabbing them, burning them, or freezing them; and if they happen to beat the odds, she will make sure they die of old age.
 

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That verse makes sense.

All Bible passages (I assume you are talking about the Bible and not the Quran or the Hindu Vedas.) make sense in context. Genesis, Chapter One makes sense -- given that it is poetry, not science. Genesis, Chapter Two makes sense, given that it is a parable, a moral lesson, not history.

I have faith that is correct.

I have faith in things that require faith. Science does not require faith. I am quite comfortable using scientific models even when I do not know whether or not some of the unproven inferences correspond to reality, if the model gives reliable results in the area I'm concerned with. All models have anomalies. All models have distortions. The trick is to choose the model that best fits the need of the moment.

I see now how that works.

Well, you might have me there, seeing that most creationist alternative explanations that I can recall either rely on the Supernatural (in which case no one can see how it works, because it defies normal cause and effect) or simply show a poor grasp of the scientific principles involved

Are you sure that's Truth?

Well you do have me there. I don't care whether you believe your model is "The Truth." I know that it is not "The Truth." No model is "The Truth." All models have "flaws" -- anomalies, oversimplifications, etc. We don't know "The Truth." We can't know "The Truth." We can't handle "The Truth."

Yes my professor could be telling us lies.

Why wouldn't I say that? Everybody lies. But I have no reason to believe he would spend his entire career intentionally misinforming his students. And so I do not suspect without reason that he would deliberately do so.

But is it possible that he is blind to a flaw in his reasoning, and too proud to recognize constructive criticism. This can happen to anyone -- even a pastor or a Bible scholar.

In science, that is the purpose of peer review. Others who know the procedure investigate his methods, and re-examine his raw data. Some attempt to reproduce his work with a new set of data. Even if the one professor continues in his delusion, the consensus of the scientific community is kept relatively free of that malady.

Were you there?

IT ... DOES ... NOT ... MATTER ... !

When I am using a model that was originally based on sound interpretation of the raw data, and the model used a logically sound inference from that data to expand its scope, and that inference led the model to give consistently reliable results in a different area, it does not matter if the inference concerned is too far removed in time, space, or both to verify. The important thing is that the model is useful.

Nature is merciful, except when she's literally blowing people off the earth, drowning them, or opening up and swallowing them; not to mention lesser things like stinging them, stabbing them, burning them, or freezing them; and if they happen to beat the odds, she will make sure they die of old age.

Is this one more thing "evolutionists" supposedly never say? Or just something to close your post with.

Because scientists are well acquainted with the cruelty of Nature. They even refer to it often, though they usually call it "the perversity of the inanimate."
 
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All Bible passages (I assume you are talking about the Bible and not the Quran or the Hindu Vedas.) make sense in context.
Can you show me where an evolutionist has said this outside of this thread?
 
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That verse makes sense.

I have faith that is correct.

I see now how that works.

Are you sure that's Truth?

Yes my professor could be telling us lies.

Were you there?

Nature is merciful, except when she's literally blowing people off the earth, drowning them, or opening up and swallowing them; not to mention lesser things like stinging them, stabbing them, burning them, or freezing them; and if they happen to beat the odds, she will make sure they die of old age.

I have to correct you on at least one point there. We've asked you a bunch of times "Were you there?" when you've been talking about the Bible.
 
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Nature is merciful, except when she's literally blowing people off the earth, drowning them, or opening up and swallowing them; not to mention lesser things like stinging them, stabbing them, burning them, or freezing them; and if they happen to beat the odds, she will make sure they die of old age.

Why would anyone say that nature is merciful? Nature has no emotions, thoughts, wishes, ambitions, conscience or consciousness.
 
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Nature is merciful, except when she's... drowning them, or opening up and swallowing them

It's funny how you have such ire for nature in this regard and yet try and make excuses for your deity when he does the exact same thing.
 
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The funny thing is, nobody expects nature to be merciful -- so nobody's surprised or feels the need to make excuses when it's not.
Aren't you a product of nature as well?

If so, are you immune to being merciful?

Or is mercy embedded somewhere in your misplaced divinity?
 
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Aren't you a product of nature as well?

If so, are you immune to being merciful?

Or is mercy embedded somewhere in your misplaced divinity?

That's a good point. Nature is merciful, imaginative, and thoughtful through us. Now then, I would rephrase my post about nature having no emotions, thoughts, etc in the following way: Floods, tornadoes, earthquakes, etc have no emotions or thoughts. Insects, predatory animals, etc have biological imperatives which guide their actions (hunger, security, warmth, etc.)

But yea, nature can only be merciful through beings capable of mercy such as humans.
 
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That verse makes sense.

The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge, but fools despise wisdom and instruction. (Proverbs 1:7)

I have faith that is correct.

Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. (Hebrews 1:1)

I see now how that works.

The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness (Romans 1:18)

Are you sure that's Truth?

All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. (John 1:3-5)

Yes my professor could be telling us lies.

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Were you there?

“Who is this that obscures my plans
with words without knowledge?
Brace yourself like a man;
I will question you,
and you shall answer me.

“Where were you when I laid the earth’s foundation?
Tell me, if you understand.
Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know!
Who stretched a measuring line across it?
On what were its footings set,
or who laid its cornerstone— (Job 38:2-6)

Nature is merciful, except when she's literally blowing people off the earth, drowning them, or opening up and swallowing them; not to mention lesser things like stinging them, stabbing them, burning them, or freezing them; and if they happen to beat the odds, she will make sure they die of old age.

What a heavy burden God has laid on mankind! I have seen all the things that are done under the sun; all of them are meaningless, a chasing after the wind.

What is crooked cannot be straightened;
what is lacking cannot be counted.​

I said to myself, “Look, I have increased in wisdom more than anyone who has ruled over Jerusalem before me; I have experienced much of wisdom and knowledge.” Then I applied myself to the understanding of wisdom, and also of madness and folly, but I learned that this, too, is a chasing after the wind.

For with much wisdom comes much sorrow; the more knowledge, the more grief. (Ecclesiastes 1:12-18)
 
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That's a good point. Nature is merciful, imaginative, and thoughtful through us. Now then, I would rephrase my post about nature having no emotions, thoughts, etc in the following way: Floods, tornadoes, earthquakes, etc have no emotions or thoughts. Insects, predatory animals, etc have biological imperatives which guide their actions (hunger, security, warmth, etc.)

But yea, nature can only be merciful through beings capable of mercy such as humans.
I would love to see Gracchus comment on this.
 
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The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge, but fools despise wisdom and instruction. (Proverbs 1:7)



Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. (Hebrews 1:1)



The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness (Romans 1:18)



All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. (John 1:3-5)



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2 “Who is this that obscures my plans
with words without knowledge?
3 Brace yourself like a man;
I will question you,
and you shall answer me.

4 “Where were you when I laid the earth’s foundation?
Tell me, if you understand.
5 Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know!
Who stretched a measuring line across it?
6 On what were its footings set,
or who laid its cornerstone— (Job 38:2-6)



13What a heavy burden God has laid on mankind! 14 I have seen all the things that are done under the sun; all of them are meaningless, a chasing after the wind.

15 What is crooked cannot be straightened;
what is lacking cannot be counted.

16 I said to myself, “Look, I have increased in wisdom more than anyone who has ruled over Jerusalem before me; I have experienced much of wisdom and knowledge.” 17 Then I applied myself to the understanding of wisdom, and also of madness and folly, but I learned that this, too, is a chasing after the wind.

18 For with much wisdom comes much sorrow;
the more knowledge, the more grief. (Ecclesiastes 1:12-18)
Good ones, bro -- :thumbsup:
 
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Aren't you a product of nature as well?

Biologically, yes -- Socially, I'm a product of western civilization.

If so, are you immune to being merciful?

I'd say my body is incapable of mercy. if a virus or bacterium is trespassing, my body does not engage in negotiations or diplomacy of any kind, only extermination -- one strike and you're out. I couldn't be merciful to a rhinovirus even if I wanted to.

You want to talk about more social interactions, take it up with western civilization.

Poor, poor AV -- you really thought you had a point this time, didn't you?
 
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