Divorce, forbidden and a right? Is it really?

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I'm not following - if divorce is a human right, how can it be forbidden at the same time?

Our rights come from God (and those rights are a reflection of God's holiness and justice), not by government decree or a democratic consensus. People do of course quite often ignore God and invent their own 'rights' but in the end we are all accountable to God and His laws and we will find that the rights men invent that conflict with the rights that God blesses us with are null and void.
 
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Our rights come from God (and those rights are a reflection of God's holiness and justice), not by government decree or a democratic consensus. People do of course quite often ignore God and invent their own 'rights' but in the end we are all accountable to God and His laws and we will find that the rights men invent that conflict with the rights that God blesses us with are null and void.

I don't disagree I know the Lords laws supercede everything but I thought in the bible it says follow the laws of the land(mans law) aswell.
 
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I don't disagree I know the Lords laws supercede everything but I thought in the bible it says follow the laws of the land(mans law) aswell.
Only when they are not in conflict with God's laws.

We are not to follow corrupt laws if they cause us go against God's laws.
 
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I've talked to a Traditional Catholic in Malta. She said that Malta accords provisions and monetary compensation for separated spouses. (i.e. the wife receives monetary support.) There is no reason for divorce to be legalised in Malta. There simply is no case for it; Marriage is marriage. No man can tear asunder those whom God hath put together.

Marriage is indissoluble; It is: "Till death do you part."


Malta is one of the few remaining Catholic Confessional states in the World. Let's not see her unto the corruption of our world's Hyper-Liberalism.

Let us pray for Malta.
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Provisions ought to be made to give a modest allowance to the separated wife. However, there is no reason that there cannot solely be annulments, with no divorce whatosever, in society.

Remember Divorce is contrary to Divine Law and the will of God. Remember in the Book of Malachias, God says: "I hate divorce." Remember that God only despises sin, rebellion, evil, and the unrepentant state of the impenitent (Not they themselves, but their impenitence). He loves all, even in spite of their sins; but in his justice, He will not forgo punishment forever.
 
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am I the only one that thinks it's wrong to outlaw divorce? I hope no one takes me the wrong way or anything.
I don't think you are the only one, I am sure others feel the same way. But the beauty of the people in Malta having divorce being against the law, is their marriages actually last. They may separate, work on it (receive counseling probably), then come back together. They don't know what it is like to just run out and get a divorce, it was never an option before.

If divorce were to be against the law here, people would be forced to work on their marriages instead of bailing. Then the divorce rate and all the nasty statistics, would not be a problem. People would also probably take the extra steps to make sure the one they are courting is the one they can live with for the rest of their lives.

Divorce causes so much pain and suffering for everyone. Even though everyone may not admit it, every single person regrets divorce in some way, there is something lost, something they grieve too. It is just never a good thing. Think about it for a min, if divorce were against the law where you lived, how would you approach the thought of marriage. Probably a lot differently than people here in the US.
 
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Cohabitation in the United States became common in the late 20th century. As of 2005, 4.85 million unmarried couples were currently living together, and as of 2002, about half of all women aged 15 to 44 had lived unmarried with a partner. Seven states still have anti-cohabitation laws on the books, but they are almost never enforced and are now believed to be unconstitutional since the legal decision Lawrence v. Texas in 2003.

Cohabitation in the United States became common in the late 20th century. ... The 2000 census placed the percentage of cohabiting couples at 19%.

If divorce were outlawed, co-habitation would probably increase.

I don't think the solution is in outlawing divorce, but rather in requiring some counseling and mediation to see if problems can be resolved before divorces are granted. It would be good, too, to study the economic penalties of marriage and to try to eliminate them from the tax code and welfare system.

Young mothers are often financially better off if they cohabitate rather than marry. They may qualify for subsidized housing, WIC, food stamps, etc. as long as their baby daddy isn't on the lease. (I know a young couple living in this situation right now.) If they were married, their joint income might preclude such benefits--but yet their joint income would permit them few luxuries.
 
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If divorce were outlawed, co-habitation would probably increase.

I don't think the solution is in outlawing divorce, but rather in requiring some counseling and mediation to see if problems can be resolved before divorces are granted. It would be good, too, to study the economic penalties of marriage and to try to eliminate them from the tax code and welfare system.

Young mothers are often financially better off if they co-habitate rather than marry. They may qualify for subsidized housing, WIC, food stamps, etc. as long as their baby daddy isn't on the lease. (I know a young couple living in this situation right now.) If they were married, their joint income might preclude such benefits--but yet their joint income would permit them few luxuries.
I understand what you are saying, and agree with the counseling requirement, that would be a really good way to start handling potential divorce bound couples. Which I am guessing a small number do already on their own, and probably stay together because of it. Then there are the very few who go to counseling, try to work it, and still don't make it. I would imaging that would be rare though, that is if they actually worked on it.

But in Malta they don't know any different. Divorce has never been legal as of yet. Do you have any stats on their co-habitation rates? That would be interesting to know.
 
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This is Malta, not America. She is a Catholic nation. Please let's try to forgo forcing liberalism and faux-notions of "freedom" that divorces is supposedly included in, because some folks want to corrupt one of the few last Catholic nations on Earth. Let's not let our Catholic Helmsdeep [Malta] fall to the tides of Theological Liberalism, Post-Modernism, and Neo-Modernism.
 
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This is Malta, not America. She is a Catholic nation. Please let's try to forgo forcing liberalism and faux-notions of "freedom" that divorces is supposedly included in, because some folks want to corrupt one of the few last Catholic nations on Earth. Let's not let our Catholic Helmsdeep [Malta] fall the tides of Theological Liberalism, Post-Modernism, and Neo-Modernism.
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