There will be a rapture

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Lately there have been many posts about there not being a rapture. I hope you read thru and find comfort in the truth. I’ve done some research on this topic with a few Greek words/phrases. I’ll let you come to your own conclusions. I used a Hebrew-Greek Key Word Study Bible, KJV.
The thing about a rapture is that just because the terminology wasn’t used til later in history, the word “rapture” means what the Greek words imply.

Start with 1 Cor 15 v 51

Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed.

Paul states we will all not be sleeping, or in the grave, when the rapture happens, but some of us will still be alive. This contradicts the belief that there won’t be a rapture this way: If there is no rapture, and we will all be killed off in the tribulation there won’t be a time where God changes the living Christians corruptible into incorruptible, and the mortal into immortality, since they’d all be dead anyway. It would assume the ushering in of the millennium with all Christians dead and raised to an earthly stay with Christ. But the bible speaks differently:

1 Cor 15:51, 1 Thess 4:16-17

In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump…..

For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God; and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we, which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

So Paul says first, there will be sleeping Christians in the grave and living Christians on earth when he descends from heaven with a shout. The terminology “shall be caught up together with them in the clouds” is translated from the Greek harpagesometha. So all to all skeptics, the word rapture, even it’s relatively new use in the church, has it's definition rooted to the Greek harpagesometha caught up, which is in the bible very clearly. Plus, the word meet, in a more convincing example, comes from the Greek eis apantesin, which means literally “to come into the presence of, to meet.”

Now put that together with “the clouds”, and you have what’s going on in the “rapture” word Christians have used to describe this event.

Most Christian who hold a view of the rapture understand that the decent from Heaven of our Lord to gather up his own church, sets the ticker for the great tribulation. There will be a time between the rapture and the 7 years of tribulation. During the 7 years and the judgments will still not see white throne judgment until after the 1000 year reign of Christ. The church will see the judgment seat of Christ, at some point, not to judge sin (we have passed from judgment to life – Jesus’ words) but to give the crowns of rewards according to what we have done as Christians.

Christ will appear as the 2nd coming, the Day of the Lord, to separate the goats and the sheep, bring judgment, and set up His kingdom on earth. We will reign with him for 1000 years.

Really though, the fact I wanted to bring out is that there is a rapture coming, and it could come anytime.. the air is pregnant for such a time. No prophesy hasn’t been fulfilled that would need to.

Finally, in 1 Thess 4:18, Paul writes

Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

How many times have we read posts that are not comforting for Christians about the end times? Paul is saying to comfort those who are distressed about it and say, “We will be with the Lord always when he descends from Heaven.” It’s supposed to be a comfort, not a fear, to the Christian.
 

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The "Rapture" as it is commonly taught is a false teaching "supported" by several unrelated Scripture verses that are referring to different events. Read Psalm 37 to see who will first be removed from the Earth and then read Rev. 20-21 to see who will be returned to this Earth and then the New Earth where we will spend Eternity.
 
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Of course there will be a second coming. No one is disputing that. What I'm saying is there will be no rapture as it is commonly taught.
What does the rapture look like to you then?:cool:
 
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What does the rapture look like to you then?:cool:

The next thing that will occur in the order of end-times events is that Jesus will return to set up His millennial Kingdom on this Earth. At that time those who have rejected God's plan of salvation will be removed from this Earth (Psalm 37) along with Satan (Rev. 20). At the end of the thousand years the Believers will be removed from this Earth ("raptured") and Satan and the non-believers will be returned to this Earth for a "short period" (3 1/2 years of the "great tribulation"). At the end of that time God will destroy this Earth, create the new heavens and New Earth, the judgements will take place and the rewards and punishments given (Rev.21).
 
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The next thing that will occur in the order of end-times events is that Jesus will return to set up His millennial Kingdom on this Earth. At that time those who have rejected God's plan of salvation will be removed from this Earth (Psalm 37) along with Satan (Rev. 20). At the end of the thousand years the Believers will be removed from this Earth ("raptured") and Satan and the non-believers will be returned to this Earth for a "short period" (3 1/2 years of the "great tribulation"). At the end of that time God will destroy this Earth, create the new heavens and New Earth, the judgements will take place and the rewards and punishments given (Rev.21).

So does that mean that we Christians believers will stay here alive for 1000 years, :cool:and if so, can I keep my Harley?
 
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Yo revrobor...
You missed something important on your "The next thing that will occur".
Before Jesus comes back to reign for a thousand years there is a seven year peace plan signed ( soon ) with Israel and the other guys.Easiest way for you to check the Scriptures regarding this would be to Google "seven year peace plan" without the "quotes".A lot of people don't know about that part of Biblical prophecy.
Have a great day!:)
Val
 
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The "rapture" is an invention of modern evangelicalism, not at all a biblical doctrine. It is commonly arrived at by tying together several misunderstood and unrelated proof-texts and ignores the major themes of the New Testament, which point to a restoration of Creation, a literal heaven on Earth, rather than a mass evacuation.

ETA: In rereading the OP, I find another troubling deficiency in the exegesis. That is the OP's proof texts only point to the rapture if one assumes that the rapture is going to occur. Nothing in these passages would reasonably cause a person who had never heard of the rapture to conclude that that is the type of thing that they are referring to. Yes, we will be resurrected. Yes, some of us will never die, because we are still alive at the resurrection. No, we we will never be evacuated from Earth to set the stage for some great "tribulation". This Left Behind theology is a means by which the greatest hope of Christians is perverted into something to incite fear into non-Christians.
 
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So does that mean that we Christians believers will stay here alive for 1000 years, :cool:and if so, can I keep my Harley?

Yes to question one. About the second question I don't mind but you'll have to ask the Lord.
 
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The "rapture" is an invention of modern evangelicalism, not at all a biblical doctrine. It is commonly arrived at by tying together several misunderstood and unrelated proof-texts and ignores the major themes of the New Testament, which point to a restoration of Creation, a literal heaven on Earth, rather than a mass evacuation.
The "rapture," although maybe not referred to by that express terminology, has been expected and anticipated throughout church history. The concept of escaping the "wrath to come" is not new teaching by any means. In fact, it is one of the "major themes" of the Bible. How in the world can you miss that? Also, it's interesting that you think there will be a literal heaven on earth when Peter says the earth will be burned up with a fervent heat (2 Pet. 3:10), and John says there will be a new heaven and a new earth (Rev. 21:1). Where does it say that heaven will be recreated on earth?

It would be helpful if you posted scripture to support your musings.
 
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There will be a second coming of Christ. At that second coming, Christ will gather all those who are His and take them to be with them.

He will then dispatch His angels to banish those who hate Him to a place of eternal torment.

There is no "rapture", seven-year tribulation, and then a third coming.
 
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Also, it's interesting that you think there will be a literal heaven on earth when Peter says the earth will be burned up with a fervent heat (2 Pet. 3:10), and John says there will be a new heaven and a new earth (Rev. 21:1). Where does it say that heaven will be recreated on earth?

Read the last three chapters of Revelation. It is very clear on this point.

It would be helpful if you posted scripture to support your musings.

Well, my argument, thus far has been that the rapture is not in the Bible. How does one provide Scripture to show what is not in Scripture? :confused:

As for the resurrection, 1 Cor. 15 is a very helpful passage to read.
As for the restoration of Creation, Revelation 21 is very helpful. (Revelation 21:2-3 references specifically the idea of a new city coming down out of heaven and God's dwelling place (i.e., heaven) being among the people).

One of the favorites used by rapture proponents also, properly understood actually negates the idea of a rapture:

1 Thess. 4:16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever.

This passage talks about Jesus coming to us. And, we greet him in the clouds, not to go with him, but to greet Him as He comes to restore His Creation. Any 1st Century Christian would have understood that when King comes to be with you, his people should greet him while he is still outside of the city, and escort him in. Getting "caught up in the clouds" is an act of welcoming Jesus to His our home, not us leaving. This passage is often misunderstood by modern readers.

The point is that the Bible does clearly teach a second coming, it does clearly teach a resurrection of the dead, it does clearly teach that creation will be restored ("a new Earth"), but it does not indicate anywhere that there will be a mass evacuation from Earth (i.e., rapture). It's just not there.
 
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Romans 5:9
…being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
1 Thessalonians 5:9-10
For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.
I believe time and time again, the word “salvation” or “saved” is used in different tenses. The fact of the matter is, we have been saved, we are being saved, and we will be saved. The question is from what?
We have been saved from the wrath of God, which is clearly depicted in the book of Revelations 14:19 and following. We are being saved from condemnation every day we are alive, and the wrath of God doesn’t abide on us. We, therefore, have been called and justified, for in Romans 8:1,
For there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.
We will be saved from the wrath to come during the great tribulation (how else can we be saved from God's wrath except through Paul's description in 1 & 2 Thessalonians? ); in Revelation 14:19 and following comes the judgment from God, as the seven plagues and the seven vials of wrath are unleashed. In my thoughts the church is saved at least from the plagues and seven vials of wrath.
I really believe in a rapture – I think the context of the issue of a rapture, which viewpoint has been held since Jesus was in his ministry – is supported in 1 Corinthians, 1&2 Thessalonians, Hebrews, Revelations, and the Gospels. I think it's shallow thinking to not see it written in the context of the bible about salvation. To say “prove the rapture” calls me to ask, “prove, thru scripture that there will not be a rapture. You have a harder task in front of you.
The coming of the Lord in the clouds to receive His own, is different than the return of the Lord, when he returns to set up his 1000 yr reign. It’s not two returns, only one. Jesus doesn’t return to earth during the rapture. So it’s not like “3 comings”: birth, rapture, kingdom return….. it’s more like 2 comings, because Jesus never returns to the earth in the rapture, neither does he show himself to the rest of the world. It will be as fast as lightening.
 
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