Do You Believe That Obama Will Get a Second Term?

Do You Believe That Obama Will Be Re-Elected In 2012?

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I wasn't aware that Obama's popularity was going up. Since bin Laden's death things have seemed to be business as usual.
Then you didn't watch the polls a few days after Bin Ladens death. I did, as I watch everything to do with this man, and have for over 5 years. Six points isn't a lot, but it didn't go down.
Obama Approval Rallies Six Points to 52% After Bin Laden Death

Increase typical for rally events

May 5, 2011
Presidential Job Approval, Daily Data, Barack Obama, the Presidency
 
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You think taxes are high and welfare is at an all time high now? Just wait, if he's re-elected, American enslavement to the government will come

Stop the melodramatic rubbish. Also taxes are at quite low levels historically speaking. But the drama queens amongst us don't let facts get in the way of a good whine, do they?
 
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The 2012 Presidential election is in the not to far distant future. With the taking out of Osama Bin Laden and Obama's popularity rising a bit because of this, do you think that he will be re-elected? Also, with the current statement that he made regarding Israel returning the borders to the Palestinians from the 1967 war, do you believe that this will hurt his chances for re-election? I personally believe that he will be a shew in back into the Oval Office because he will do something to make himself look good, and also, the Republicans don't have a good candidate at this point. His horns are really starting to protrude.
Cheers to Netanyahu for his speech today, while Obama sat there looking like a dufus!!

Obama is an incumbent President with a reasonably good track record. The War on Terror is coming to a close and the troops are steadily coming home, Bin Laden is dead (thank you Navy Seals), the economy is recovering and while he has said some profoundly stupid things he has not failed or fouled up in a way that puts his reelection in jeopardy.

The Republicans can, and should field a strong candidate. The most important thing for the GOP right now is to make sure their candidate has a platform that is viable, the rest should unfold naturally.

Obama will be reelected in a landslide assuming the economy is strong this summer and the political slime monster does not catch him in a compromising position.

BTW, I'm an evangelical who believes the Bible from cover to cover. I'm a YEC who believes in the traditional definition of marriage, strictly pro-life and opposed to most liberal political and social agendas.

I am also a died in the wool Democrat and the only thing I don't like about Obama is that he is not Bill Clinton. But hey, no one is perfect. ;)

Grace and peace,
Mark
 
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I am also a died in the wool Democrat and the only thing I don't like about Obama is that he is not Bill Clinton. But hey, no one is perfect. ;)

Grace and peace,
Mark

Nice post brother Mark.


As far as life in America, it did indeed flourish under the Clinton administration, but there was the whole issue with him immoral behaviour in and out of the WH.

A very poor role model to say the least.:doh::doh:

I was 26 when he left the WH, paying about 18% of my 30K in income tax and living comfortably with my wife. When Bush came into office I was soooooo very excited about our $600 tax rebate check. Yooohooo.:D:D

I did however fail to see that those check single handedly ripped open our budget, and the bleeding became profuse each year afterwards.

While Bush lowered taxes it really didn't affect me or mine in our paycheck or refunds. But we went along with the policy anyway, not thinking of the social programs it was strangling.

While I disagree with Clintons moral lifestyle, his policies seemed to have been the best in my generation as to creating jobs, stimulating the economy and aiding the poor altogether.

Surely Obama would love to reinstate those domestic policies, but the socalled Christians so very much hate to give to Cesar was is Cesars.:doh::doh:

Politically speaking of course.:thumbsup:
 
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The economy is in a dire place. The USA faces a debt load that is unsustainable. For years the progressives have engineered a growing dependent class of citizens that relay on the government for their income/livelihood.

America has to face the fact that a healthy system of government and society can not exist when a minority of the population ends up supporting the majority of the potulation. We are close to that point.

Obama can be re-elected, especially if there is not a strong candidate that can honestly convey the current state of our nation, the direction it is headed in, and the painful but necessary steps to change direction.
 
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They are Arabs...Jordanian arabs, Cryptolutheran. Jordan won't take 'em back.

What about what God said? Does that matter to you?

At the time of the end, when Israel is regathered back in her land, God said that Israel's enemy neighbors would "devise an evil scheme" and conspire together to destroy the nation of Israel. What does God say happens to those people? Whose side do you want to be on when that goes down?

So in your view what should Israel do with the Palestinians? If no other nation will take them then they're stuck where they are.
 
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The economy is in a dire place. The USA faces a debt load that is unsustainable. For years the progressives have engineered a growing dependent class of citizens that relay on the government for their income/livelihood.

America has to face the fact that a healthy system of government and society can not exist when a minority of the population ends up supporting the majority of the potulation. We are close to that point.

Obama can be re-elected, especially if there is not a strong candidate that can honestly convey the current state of our nation, the direction it is headed in, and the painful but necessary steps to change direction.

Machines took the shovels out of 5 mens hands while putting thier salaries into the pockets of the company owners. All the while the tax burden has steadily decreased on those owners. That is why our economy is in dire straights.

Now those men who were once holding shovels are pumping gas, pushing the gas station attendants into the welfare system. :doh:
 
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Machines took the shovels out of 5 mens hands while putting thier salaries into the pockets of the company owners. All the while the tax burden has steadily decreased on those owners. That is why our economy is in dire straights.

Now those men who were once holding shovels are pumping gas, pushing the gas station attendants into the welfare system. :doh:
Hmm ... what means "Render unto Caesar the things which be Caesar's" ... ?
Luke 20:23 But he perceived their craftiness, and said unto them, Why tempt ye me?
24 Shew me a penny. Whose image and superscription hath it? They answered and said, Caesar's.
25 And he said unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which be Caesar's, and unto God the things which be God's.
I don't hear lasting damnation in that ..., but a few verses later ...
Luke 20:45 Then in the audience of all the people he said unto his disciples,
46 Beware of the scribes, which desire to walk in long robes, and love greetings in the markets, and the highest seats in the synagogues, and the chief rooms at feasts;
47 Which devour widows' houses, and for a shew make long prayers: the same shall receive greater damnation.
Seems like exactly what the liberals/progressives have been doing ... but maybe it's just me, Charles. :wave:


Of course, I kinda subscribe to the virtue of the commandments, too ...
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
It's an individual thing, IMHO.


Just my $0.02.


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The 2012 Presidential election is in the not to far distant future. With the taking out of Osama Bin Laden and Obama's popularity rising a bit because of this, do you think that he will be re-elected? Also, with the current statement that he made regarding Israel returning the borders to the Palestinians from the 1967 war, do you believe that this will hurt his chances for re-election? I personally believe that he will be a shew in back into the Oval Office because he will do something to make himself look good, and also, the Republicans don't have a good candidate at this point. His horns are really starting to protrude.
Cheers to Netanyahu for his speech today, while Obama sat there looking like a dufus!!

(1) It's too early to say who will win the next election.
(2) The republicans do have good candidates, but those candidates will not attract centrist votes and hence will not likely win the primary, much less the general election.
(3) There is more to being President than killing Bin Laden or Israel policies. In fact, those 2 things are so minor they should be negligable. In fact, we ought to pull our funding from that neighborhood since we're broke. We're not the daycare for Israel and it's neighbors.
(4) Whoever the Republican candidate is, he won't be that much different from Obama just as Obama's policies really aren't that much different from Bush's.
(5) You don't win an election by being a principled individual. You win an election by being the most centrist candidate (also called the "mean voter theorem"). For example, Newt Gingrich tried his centrist move too soon and now stands to not win the primary.
 
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What America really needs is a Labour Party, a centre left party that supports American workers and Unions. Instead, what you have over there are two right wing parties (of varying degrees) that are tied to the will of the corporations. Whichever party you vote for in 2012, be they Republicans or Democrats, your voice, the voice of the average working American, is not being heard because both the GOP and the Dems are too deep in the pockets of the corporations, who are ultimately the ones pulling the strings.

What I find tragically amusing about much of the political rhetoric coming from America is that both the Republicans and the Democrats are essentially the same party. You guys argue about abortion and taxes and Israel, but both parties essentially support the same ideals. And the Tea Party is no different. It is being funded by corporations yet advertised a grass roots "uprising" against "big government". If a Tea Party candidate ever actually got made President, expect more of the same; low taxes for business, high taxes for you, the American worker.
 
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What America really needs is a Labour Party, a centre left party that supports American workers and Unions. Instead, what you have over there are two right wing parties ...
Thank you, Varicose Brains, for honestly identifying yourself as a socialist (possibly even communist, but I haven't heard you state that yet).


... (of varying degrees) that are tied to the will of the corporations. Whichever party you vote for in 2012, be they Republicans or Democrats, your voice, the voice of the average working American, is not being heard because both the GOP and the Dems are too deep in the pockets of the corporations, who are ultimately the ones pulling the strings.
Interestingly, we get reports here of a huge influx of cash coming from labor union coffers ... of course people reporting that are accused of being conspiracy theorists ... weird ... who is one to believe?


What I find tragically amusing about much of the political rhetoric coming from America is that both the Republicans and the Democrats are essentially the same party.
Right ... says you ... what's your source of info, btw?

You guys argue about abortion and taxes and Israel, but both parties essentially support the same ideals.
okey-dokey ...

... And the Tea Party is no different. It is being funded by corporations ...
Really?

Got any substantiation for that claim, Varicose Brains?

... yet advertised a grass roots "uprising" against "big government".
You mean it's just like the people's uprising in Egypt?

Funded by special interests?

If a Tea Party candidate ever actually got made President, expect more of the same; low taxes for business, high taxes for you, the American worker.
Well, at least you already identified yourself as a socialist/communist, so I guess there's no point in arguing about your opinion. :wave:


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Hmm ... what means "Render unto Caesar the things which be Caesar's" ... ?
Luke 20:23 But he perceived their craftiness, and said unto them, Why tempt ye me?
24 Shew me a penny. Whose image and superscription hath it? They answered and said, Caesar's.
25 And he said unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which be Caesar's, and unto God the things which be God's.
I don't hear lasting damnation in that ..., but a few verses later ...
Luke 20:45 Then in the audience of all the people he said unto his disciples,
46 Beware of the scribes, which desire to walk in long robes, and love greetings in the markets, and the highest seats in the synagogues, and the chief rooms at feasts;
47 Which devour widows' houses, and for a shew make long prayers: the same shall receive greater damnation.
Seems like exactly what the liberals/progressives have been doing ... but maybe it's just me, Charles. :wave:


Of course, I kinda subscribe to the virtue of the commandments, too ...
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
It's an individual thing, IMHO.


Just my $0.02.


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The love of money is the root of ALL evil.......

So why is it we, as Christians fight tooth and nail to keep every penny me THINK we have earned.

We live so lavishly that even if we lived off 1/4 of our salaries our standard of living would be twice that of the rest of the free world.


IMO, my $.02 we need to rid the world of the elitist bankers, putting them into the work crews slinging horsemanure and picking up trash. Equal work for equal pay. It's the only manmade fix. Then again you know how much confidence I have in mankind.

A doctor works 40 hours he gets 700 bucks. A turd shoveler works 40 hours he gets 700 bucks.

The arguement would be why would someone spend so much time educating himself to earn the same as a turd shoveler.

OOOOOOOHHHHH I KNOW. How bout the turd shoveler comes home smelling like turds.
 
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What America really needs is a Labour Party, a centre left party that supports American workers and Unions.

We have such parties; nobody here wants to vote for them. Democrats and Republicans aren't the only 2 parties, though they get all the press and votes.

Instead, what you have over there are two right wing parties (of varying degrees) that are tied to the will of the corporations. Whichever party you vote for in 2012, be they Republicans or Democrats, your voice, the voice of the average working American, is not being heard because both the GOP and the Dems are too deep in the pockets of the corporations, who are ultimately the ones pulling the strings.

I like big corporations who make big profits. I think it's great.

Oh, the average person doesn't have a voice because he's but one person out of about 300 million.

What I find tragically amusing about much of the political rhetoric coming from America is that both the Republicans and the Democrats are essentially the same party. You guys argue about abortion and taxes and Israel, but both parties essentially support the same ideals.

I agree with that. There's not really that much difference between them.

And the Tea Party is no different.

It depends on the Tea Party member. Rand Paul is particularly libertarian and follows a different economic school of thought (Austrianism) than do most Republicans and Democrats (which use some form of Keynesianism) or some Republicans (who are neo Classicalists). Several other Tea Party members, such as Marco Rubio, are the same. I'm surprised that a person who would critique US political parties wouldn't have familiarized themselves with the different economic theories that the parties adhere to. Maybe that's asking too much.

What America really needs is smaller government and de-regulation (and less direction by constitutional monarchists who think they know economic principles of US political parties). Maybe we can talk next about how royal weddings waste taxpayer money?
 
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The love of money is the root of ALL evil.......

So why is it we, as Christians fight tooth and nail to keep every penny me THINK we have earned.
LOL ...

Let's talk about that ...
Deuteronomy 5:17 Thou shalt not kill.
18 Neither shalt thou commit adultery.
19 Neither shalt thou steal.
20 Neither shalt thou bear false witness against thy neighbour.
21 Neither shalt thou desire thy neighbour's wife, neither shalt thou covet thy neighbour's house, his field, or his manservant, or his maidservant, his ox, or his ass, or any thing that is thy neighbour's.
I found myself telling my kids when they were very young that life wasn't fair ... get over it.

It's not that I wanted to be unfair as a parent - I didn't - it's that fairness simply wasn't possible in any measurable way - at least not any way which might be meaningful to the kids.

The abilities of the kids fell at opposite extremes - which made things a little easier actually - they had tears of envy for each other at different times. They each now recognize the differences - even if they don't fully comprehend or understand the same way a parent does. Of course, until they become parents they probably won't really understand, LOL.

We live so lavishly that even if we lived off 1/4 of our salaries our standard of living would be twice that of the rest of the free world.
LOL.

And our nation has been responsible for many advancements of modern life ... call it luck or call it God's blessings ... it is what it is ...

IMO, my $.02 we need to rid the world of the elitist bankers, putting them into the work crews slinging horsemanure and picking up trash. Equal work for equal pay. It's the only manmade fix. Then again you know how much confidence I have in mankind.
Be careful, Charles. Thinking like that'll get ya on a watch list. :doh:

My gripe with the current situation involves the indentured servitude aspects of it. I kinda liked the country I grew up in where one could advance based on one's personal initiative. Motivation is key ...

A doctor works 40 hours he gets 700 bucks. A turd shoveler works 40 hours he gets 700 bucks

The arguement would be why would someone spend so much time educating himself to earn the same as a turd shoveler.

OOOOOOOHHHHH I KNOW. How bout the turd shoveler comes home smelling like turds.
Hey, some turd shovelers come home smelling like money ...

... kinda like roofing ... it's hard work, but good money ...


They get more exercise than I do. I know for sure that some of them lead a much healthier and happier life than I do. ;)


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We have such parties; nobody here wants to vote for them. Democrats and Republicans aren't the only 2 parties, though they get all the press and votes.

I like big corporations who make big profits. I think it's great.

Oh, the average person doesn't have a voice because he's but one person out of about 300 million.

I agree with that. There's not really that much difference between them.

It depends on the Tea Party member. Rand Paul is particularly libertarian and follows a different economic school of thought (Austrianism) than do most Republicans and Democrats (which use some form of Keynesianism) or some Republicans (who are neo Classicalists). Several other Tea Party members, such as Marco Rubio, are the same. I'm surprised that a person who would critique US political parties wouldn't have familiarized themselves with the different economic theories that the parties adhere to. Maybe that's asking too much.

What America really needs is smaller government and de-regulation (and less direction by constitutional monarchists who think they know economic principles of US political parties). Maybe we can talk next about how royal weddings waste taxpayer money?

Wow, talk about defensive. You sound really bitter dude. Time for some small print I guess; I don't claim to know everything about US politics and I definitely don't know every name in the Tea Party. However, most of the rhetoric I hear on news sites comes from the likes of Palin and Bachmann and they tend to stick out in my mind a lot more than people like Rand Paul (who I have heard of but haven't bothered to seek out his personal political views).

I also apologise for not having a say in the Royal Wedding over here. It has obviously upset you, but I'm afraid to say we just didn't get a vote on it. I do, however, somewhat support the Royal Family's right to exist. While wholly unnecessary in this day and age, they are, nonetheless, part of our long history here in the UK and they do a lot of good charity work, even if a few of them are, shall we say, curiously odd beings (Prince Charles and Fergie chief among them). Our system of democracy works, as much as any democracy can work well and I am grateful that I was born into a modern democracy even though it clearly has its flaws.
 
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