Evangelical Anglicans?

file13 · May 17, 2011

mark1 said:
BTW, our diocese is still in TEC although we are likely to get kicked out. Our bishop chooses to remain as long as we can. The Communion is very important to us.

Ditto. Pretty much the same here in Dallas. Are you guys a part of the AAC?

mark1 said:
In the end, the local church is the most important element of our Christain lives. As has been said, it is not the label on the door that is critical.

Amen! All I'd add is that the Gospel, living it and sharing it outside of the church is equally important--thus "evangelical." We can't hide in our churches indefinitely as the world goes softly into perdition. We've got work to do.

brightmorningstar · May 17, 2011

Yes I have found some of the best theologians and strongest mature faith from those in the ECUSA in line with the Gafon majority.. but of course it doesnt match the thinking of the ECUSA leadership.

Whilst style differences occur, the Communion isnt impaired over style, its impaired over false teaching. Liberalism loves to confuse the issues.

And of course I dont see the majority of Anglicans worldwide having much problem with New Wine.

Maid Marie · May 17, 2011

Gafon?

GadFly · May 17, 2011

Naomi4Christ said:
The Evangelical wing of the CofE is the Protestant wing, emphasising the authority of Scripture over tradition and reason.

It is also strong in mission and the need to transform communities and lives.

There are many big city churches, as have been mentioned here (add on St Mary's Bryanston Square, Jesmond Parish Church and P&G in the SEC).

However, big city churches are not typical. They are over-represented by young affluent people. There are strong evangelical churches in every deanery, often the biggest church in terms of attendance and parish share. These churches have the full age range and more diverse worship styles.

American fundamentalists have given evangelicals a bad name, but every wing of the church has this problem.

American fundamentalists have given evangelicals a bad name, but every wing of the church has this problem.

Some how this statement does not seem in order to me. Although there are definitions that suggest some Christians are fundamentalist and make other Christians under a different label, I feel that calling a fundamentalist a problem damages the efforts Christians as a whole are trying to serve. Why do we have to label anybody in the body of Christ. Leave them alone for if they are for us, they are not against us. That sounds like something Christ would say.

GadFly · May 17, 2011

brightmorningstar said:
Mark1, I am sure you are right, the concepts vary geographically

Not to disagree with you but the mind of Christ is more universal than it is geographical. The limitations on knowing God are in our minds and has little to do with demographics unless you live in an atheist culture like China but even then the mind can be receptive to the truth.

brightmorningstar · May 17, 2011

Gadfly,
I agree with you the mind of Christ is not dependent on geography, but the understanding of the labels are.
So in the Anglican Communion if a liberal affirms all of Lambeth 1.10 then fine... but generally liberals is the term accepted by all for those who dont.

Abiel · May 17, 2011

higgs2 said:
her church doesn't have pews as ordained by God QUOTE]

Am I missing something???

higgs2 · May 17, 2011

Abiel said:
higgs2 said:

her church doesn't have pews as ordained by God QUOTE]

Am I missing something???

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God wants us to worship Him in pews. With little kneelers. And He hates those cup racks too.

Abiel · May 17, 2011

Mine is considered evangelical by most and charismatic by many. I don't think I am either, yet muddle along quite happily, sharing the odd prophetic word along the way, and taking scripture really seriously. Labels are best when they are followed by a big fat but (one t only!)

Abiel · May 17, 2011

higgs2 said:
Abiel said:

God wants us to worship Him in pews. With little kneelers. And He hates those cup racks too.

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Don't make me go all evangelical! I need a proof text!

higgs2 · May 17, 2011

Abiel said:
higgs2 said:

Don't make me go all evangelical! I need a proof text!

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ummm, give me a bit I'll make up -- I mean find one.

mark46 · May 17, 2011

As you might know, the worldwide Anglican Communion is in the process of dealing with issues primarily resulting from actions of the leadership of the ECUSA (and also ACC). There are, of course, other diocese in other countries that support ECUSA. ECUSA and those who support it are sometimes called liberals. There is no reason for the label, since it has much wider meanings than this narror use within the Anglican Communion.

GAFCON is the group of Anglicans that have organized around conservative views of the Communion. Many of the world's African and Asian primates (national presiding bishops) belong, and in fact did not attend the least primates meeting of the Communion as a whole, considering it a waste of time. This group believes that the Communion is not doing enough to deal with the issue raised by the actions of the ECUSA.

You are famililiar with ACNA, whose archbishop is from your area. This group has formerly brought together Anglicans in the US and Canada who needed to leave the TEC (because of actions of the Presidding Bishop) or who chose to do so. ACNA is recognized by some of the primates within GAFCON (representing at least 1/3 of world Anglicans). My understanding is that GAFCON represents about 1/2 of the world's Anglicans.

Much is being done by all (except I think by the ECUSA), but I suspect a full split is likey in the next few years.

GAFCON - Global Anglican Future

The Anglican Church in North America

Maid Marie said:
Gafon?

mark46 · May 17, 2011

We are not part of AAC. Our bishop is a personal friend of Archbishop Duncan. Our assistant rector went to Trinity (Duncan is on the board). So we have close ties to ACNA, but choose not to break with the Communion until we have to. We will see how the Presiding Bishop uses her new powers after July 1st. Our church property ahs been protected by the South Carolina Supreme Court (not like other states), so we are OK for now.

We also have close ties to the Communion in many countries. We regularly are working with other provinces and churches with mutual visits and other activities. Bishop Nasr-Ali is a spritual advisor to our diocese and we look to him for leadership more than Archbishop Rowan. We also look to the African leaders. My hope is that we will be forced to leave, will join ACNA and then come back in when ACNA is finally accepted. But then, many don't think that there will any reconciliation at all, and we will be left with 2 communions and more.

Our bottom line is that we are one of the original diocese of the TEC. Our churches are united behind our bishop. We do not want to leave.

quote=file13;57496051]Ditto. Pretty much the same here in Dallas. Are you guys a part of the AAC?

Amen! All I'd add is that the Gospel, living it and sharing it outside of the church is equally important--thus "evangelical." We can't hide in our churches indefinitely as the world goes softly into perdition. We've got work to do.

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file13 · May 17, 2011

Gotcha. Thanks Mark.

Maid Marie · May 17, 2011

mark1 said:
As you might know, the worldwide Anglican Communion is in the process of dealing with issues primarily resulting from actions of the leadership of the ECUSA (and also ACC).

Yup, did know that much.

mark1 said:
You are famililiar with ACNA, whose archbishop is from your area....

That give me a bit of a jolt

Not used to being assumed to know what all is going on.

mark1 said:
My understanding is that GAFCON represents about 1/2 of the world's Anglicans.

WOW...that sounds pretty significant.

Thanks for the info on GAFCON. Muchly appreciated.

higgs2 · May 17, 2011

Hey Naomi, does your church have those little grape juice cup holder thingies on the back of its chairs? Or are they the larger latte holder style?

brightmorningstar · May 18, 2011

GAFCON is the group of Anglicans that have organized around conservative views of the Communion.

My understanding is that GAFCON represents about 1/2 of the world's Anglicans.

You see the liberals are a minority group who try and make out they are in the debate and bigger and more important than they are; another reason why the majority cant work with them.

Taken from wiki "The leaders present claimed to represent 30 million of the 55 million "active" Anglicans in the worldwide communion " Gafcon cliam 75%.
So even taking wiki its more than half of all active Anglicans.
Disobedience to Lambeth 1.10 was the main reason Gafcon formed. If a minority cant accept the majority deceion the honourable thing to do would be, like in the case of women's ordination, to leave the Anglican Communion and find another church.
Sadly we now see that the minority not only have no intention of leaving, but have no intention of any respect for the msjority decisions, and thus whilst they accuse, are intent on destroying the communion with their god of same sex perversion.

Naomi4Christ · May 18, 2011

higgs2 said:
Hey Naomi, does your church have those little grape juice cup holder thingies on the back of its chairs? Or are they the larger latte holder style?

Cheeky beggar!

We have big silver doo-dahs which hold church wine. Not a cup holder in sight!

Maid Marie · May 18, 2011

brightmorningstar said:
You see the liberals are a minority group who try and make out they are in the debate and bigger and more important than they are; another reason why the majority cant work with them.

Taken from wiki "The leaders present claimed to represent 30 million of the 55 million "active" Anglicans in the worldwide communion " Gafcon cliam 75%.
So even taking wiki its more than half of all active Anglicans.
Disobedience to Lambeth 1.10 was the main reason Gafcon formed. If a minority cant accept the majority deceion the honourable thing to do would be, like in the case of women's ordination, to leave the Anglican Communion and find another church.
Sadly we now see that the minority not only have no intention of leaving, but have no intention of any respect for the msjority decisions, and thus whilst they accuse, are intent on destroying the communion with their god of same sex perversion.

Wow...Guess I have learned something completely new here because the impression I have ever had is that the entirety of TEC is liberal. Makes me glad even more that I decided to branch out and learn about fellow believers beyond my denomination.

mark46 · May 18, 2011

The percentages given are as a percentage of all the Anglicans in the communion. There are 38 provinces. TEC or ECUSA is one of the provinces. Just BTW, ECUSA has about 2.3M members. By comparison Sudan has 5 million, Uganda 8M and Nigeria 13.5M.

With regard to whether the entirety of TEC is liberal is an interesting question. Certainly there are conservative diocese, conservative local churches and many conservative individuals within TEC. However, I would think that it is indeed reasonable to consider TEC to be generally a liberal church. Personally, I don't think that there should be a negative connotation to being a liberal church. A church can be a liberal one and yet not step beyond the doctreine, teachings and agreements of the Communion.

Anglican Communion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Maid Marie said:
Wow...Guess I have learned something completely new here because the impression I have ever had is that the entirety of TEC is liberal. Makes me glad even more that I decided to branch out and learn about fellow believers beyond my denomination.

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