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Originally posted by Susan


A second theory could be that there was neither pain nor pleasure in any part of concieving and bearing children until the Fall, it was just something necessary to do with no other implications attached. After the Fall, bearing children became painful, so maybe God allowed humans to have pleasure in concieving children to humanity in order, again, that humanity would not die out.

 

sorry, that just doesn't hold up to scripture.  When pronouncing punishment on Eve, God said he would "INCREASE" her pain.  THerefore, there had to be pain originally.  
 
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Originally posted by Andrew
Ladies do yourselves a favour,

If you strongly believe and insist that sex in marriage is ONLY STRICTLY for procreation and nothing else, please by all means, let the poor man you're are going to marry know well in advance!!! It'll save him a lot of frustration and cold showers.

And it'll save you a lot of heartache too, cos he'll prob be tempted to get his satisfaction elsewhere.

take it from us guys (well, majority), who know better how the male body works.

be fair, at least let him know your stand.

:)

BWAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA :D:D

I'm just laughin' my way through this thread.  I agree heartily with Andrew's plea. 

There have been many good scriptures giving God's "stamp of approval", for the enjoyment of a man and woman who are married to each other.

If it's true that sex is for creation only and I am not married and I had a hysterectomy last year would that mean that I could get married but never have sex?  :scratch:  What would be the point of getting married? In that scenario it would not be sinful to co-habitate.

Now, to get a little more serious.  To those who believe that sex is only for creation only, have you sought God's opinion on the root of your thinking such a thing? Were you perhaps molessted, abused, and/or raped somewhere in your past?  Just a thought.  These are emotions that God heals and will set you free.  I know from personal experience.

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Originally posted by I can eat 50 eggs
 

sorry, that just doesn't hold up to scripture.  When pronouncing punishment on Eve, God said he would "INCREASE" her pain.  THerefore, there had to be pain originally.  
Not in the conception of the child, in the birth of the child.

Genesis 3
16 To the woman He said,
"I will greatly multiply
Your pain in childbirth,
In pain you will bring forth children;
Yet your desire will be for your husband,
And he will rule over you."


I do see that it says "greatly multiply," but I don't see how child birth could have been painful at all before the fall; everything was "very good," and sin brought pain/disease/death in to the world.
 
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Originally posted by Quaffer
BWAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA :D:D

I'm just laughin' my way through this thread.  I agree heartily with Andrew's plea. 
This is quite a serious matter, please do not laugh at other people or what other people say. :)


There have been many good scriptures giving God's "stamp of approval", for the enjoyment of a man and woman who are married to each other.
Yes, there is. But, do any of those scriptures state that contraception is OK? The Onan narrative tells us that contraception is sinful, no?


If it's true that sex is for creation only and I am not married and I had a hysterectomy last year would that mean that I could get married but never have sex?  :scratch:  What would be the point of getting married? In that scenario it would not be sinful to co-habitate.
Did you have the hysterectomy done to avoid the "hassle" of having children, or for a serious medical reason?

Co-habitating is wrong, but not only because of the increased temptation and availability of fornication. It's wrong for other reasons as well. Hurting your witness as Christians, it really is bad for the relationship, and even if you do get married the divorce rate is much higher for couples that cohabit before marriage.


Now, to get a little more serious.  To those who believe that sex is only for creation only, have you sought God's opinion on the root of your thinking such a thing? Were you perhaps molessted, abused, and/or raped somewhere in your past?  Just a thought.  These are emotions that God heals and will set you free.  I know from personal experience.
I have never been molested or raped.
 
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Yes, there is. But, do any of those scriptures state that contraception is OK? The Onan narrative tells us that contraception is sinful, no?

Contraception is sinful only to those who insist that sex is for procreation only. And pls dont build a doctrine on one controversial Onan case.

God gives the couple a choice to decide how many children they want. If they are satisfied with 2 or 3, and only have the means to provide for 2 or 3, then the responsible thing to do next is to use contraception to avoid unplanned for pregnancies -- instead of reproducing like rabbits.

And if you are gonna tell me that they have to just stop sex altogether after that, it's just a crazy legalistic religious idea. Tell me, does God remove your sex drive (procreation drive call it what you want) after you tell him ok Lord 3 is enough.

Then pls dont tell me you have to just continue reproducing as long as there is the drive, cos there's no other right way but to reproduce

oh come on, we're not beasts!
 
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The bible says, that before a man decides to build a house, he first has to sit down and decide the cost.

The bible also says, a man who doesn't take care of his own is worst than an infadel(sp?).

Not everyone should even get married, the bible says.

God wants you to be a blessing to people, that includes being a friend, prayer warrior, giver, and someone who has enough money to give an inheritance, and to bless others with. If you don't believe in that last statement, then why goto college? Don't trust in money, trust in God, but God's word says to go get money. Why else should you pay tithes, if God was against money?God is not against money, he is against the love of money, and over selfish spending.

The bible says he shall supply are needs, but if you just sit on your bum, Paul said you should expect not to eat. If you ignore God's word, you won't consider the cost of having a family.

The bible doesn't say anything about contraceptives(sp?) but does say all of these things. So if you want to be a baby factory......I'll be praying for you. ;)
 
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Originally posted by Andrew
Contraception is sinful only to those who insist that sex is for procreation only.

I believe that contraception is sinful, and I do not believe that pleasure during uncontracepted sex is wrong.

instead of reproducing like rabbits.

I urge you to retract that statement. It is extremely offensive and demeaning to people that desire or have large families. We are not common "beasts" with litters, that can't "steward" ourselves.
 
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Originally posted by A Sheep
This is quite a serious matter, please do not laugh at other people or what other people say. :)


A Sheep,

You have seriously misunderstood my post.

First of all I made sure the person I quoted was my buddy Andrew.  I was not laughing at him or anyone else.  I was laughing at what he said.  I seriously doubt he was offended so I don't quite understand why you were.  It was not directed at you or any of your comments.

Originally posted by A Sheep Yes, there is. But, do any of those scriptures state that contraception is OK? The Onan narrative tells us that contraception is sinful, no?

Gen 38: 7-10  And Er, Judah's firstborn, was wicked in the sight of the LORD; and the LORD slew him. And Judah said unto Onan, Go in unto thy brother's wife, and marry her, and raise up seed to thy brother. And Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it came to pass, when he went in unto his brother's wife, that he spilled it on the ground, lest that he should give seed to his brother. And the thing which he did displeased the LORD: wherefore he slew him also.

I do not believe the issue here was contraception as a whole.  He was supposed to carry on his brothers name.  By refusing to do that he was disrespectful to what his father had asked him to do. He had brought dishonor on his father, his brother, and his brothers wife.  In God's sight that was evil.  

Originally posted by A Sheep Did you have the hysterectomy done to avoid the "hassle" of having children, or for a serious medical reason?

I had a very serious medical problem.  I could relate very closely to the women with the issue of blood.  I bled all the time, every day, for weeks and months.  Stopping for a few hours at a time and then hemmoraging for hours and sometimes days. This went on for years. 

I was seriously anemic and the stress on my body was starting to cause other problems that were related to the extreme loss of blood. 

Yes, we tried everything.  The shots did not work.  Nothing worked.  So finely, at the age of 48 I said, I've had enough.  And the doctor agreed. 

Origianally posted by A Sheep Co-habitating is wrong, but not only because of the increased temptation and availability of fornication. It's wrong for other reasons as well. Hurting your witness as Christians, it really is bad for the relationship, and even if you do get married the divorce rate is much higher for couples that cohabit before marriage.


I was not being serious here.  If you believe that sex is only for creating human life and it's not to be done at any other time, then I believe that to be inconsistant with scripture.

The very idea that I could get married but because I cannot have children then that means I cannot enjoy sex with the man I am married to is rediculous and against what the Bible really says. That's the thought I was addressing.


I have never been molested or raped.

Generally, hyper-sensitivity, being pre-ocupied with sex and/or a closed opinion of sex and the enjoyment of it as something that God has blessed mankind with is connected with some type of abuse and or trauma.  That's the only reason I asked. 

Quaffer
 
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