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It is becoming increasingly harder to maintain a good witness as a young person in the United Kingdom.

In a culture that tells us that we should listen to our hearts and do what we feel like, and that makes it easy for us. Where we have sexual images throwen at us every single day and pressures from friends and peers. It is not easy to be young and a Christian.

Even within the Churchs here, in my generation there is so much comprimise going on, which is ofcourse justified by theory after theory. Young unmarried Christians seam to think nothing of moving in togeher, and even within the church, most of the younger generation don't care about being pure anymore, those of us that do have a real battle on our hands and many of us fall at some point because the pressure is just so strong. That's just a couple of examples but I'm sure you already know what goes on.

Anyway I have a couple of questions for those of you who are over 25.

Is it any easier for you to be a Christian in the United Kingdom?

Secondly any words of wisdom for the younger generation in regards to faith in our culture?

I know that this is a very genral overview so please don't point out that some Christian young people are not like this. It's just an observation and a genuine concern.

Thanks,

Ladybuelah
 

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It would solve your particular issue, there's so many more Christians in America that it would make your life easier.

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You don't think life is the same here?
It's the same issue, even people that are Christians here don't seem to have God as their top priority.
 
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The thing is to keep you eyes on Jesus, dont worry too much about what other people, even other christians are doing, you are here to focus on YOUR relationship with God, not on others peoples.

That said, if you feel prompted by the Holy Spirit to point out someone elses sin and call them to repentance, then do it, they probably wont like you for it, but you will have a clear conscience. Just remember to do it in a loving way, not a condemning way.
 
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Move to America if you've got that much of a problem with the way things are here.

I found American Christianity to be very different from English Christianity.

The Americans talked about football or whatever after the morning service - it would be totally weird to talk about the sermon - and after all that religion it would be weird to talk about anything else religious. That was enough religion for now, and that was in a good growing Free Evangelical Church.

They said the Bible is God's message to man but on Sunday read the newspaper before going to Church and knew many things in it but were very hazy about the Bible.

And had a different idea of what Christianity is all about. Doing good in the World in England usually means disease or starvation in Africa. In the US the keen Christians were backing Bush, opposing abortion, and keen on having as many wars as possible, a very different approach.



It is becoming increasingly harder to maintain a good witness as a young person in the United Kingdom.

In a culture that tells us that we should listen to our hearts and do what we feel like, and that makes it easy for us. Where we have sexual images throwen at us every single day ...

Ladybuelah


I found not having a TV is a very good start
 
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In a culture that tells us that we should listen to our hearts and do what we feel like...
Is that what we are really told? I certainly was never told that as a youngster.
Where we have sexual images throwen at us every single day and pressures from friends and peers. It is not easy to be young and a Christian.
That's going to depend on your definition of what it is to be a Christian.
Young unmarried Christians seam to think nothing of moving in togeher, and even within the church, most of the younger generation don't care about being pure anymore
It seems to me that Christian morality is improving in this fashion, albeit at a slightly retarded rate.

those of us that do have a real battle on our hands and many of us fall at some point because the pressure is just so strong.
It must be difficult in a world in which those concerns are simply not that important.
Secondly any words of wisdom for the younger generation in regards to faith in our culture?
I'm not a Christian but how about this; simply openly and honestly try and figure out what is right, without recourse to old dogma. Ask the hard questions and attempt to justify your answers.

Best of luck.
 
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It is becoming increasingly harder to maintain a good witness as a young person in the United Kingdom.

In a culture that tells us that we should listen to our hearts and do what we feel like, and that makes it easy for us. Where we have sexual images throwen at us every single day and pressures from friends and peers. It is not easy to be young and a Christian.
Don't forget you are also trying to employ the morality of primitive people who regarded women as property. This is always going to be problematic in a society that has moved beyond that. Not everyone views sex as a bad thing, nor do they think a woman is worth less if she has had sex, because that's clearly nonsense.
Even within the Churchs here, in my generation there is so much comprimise going on, which is ofcourse justified by theory after theory. Young unmarried Christians seam to think nothing of moving in togeher,
That's because it's really not that big a deal.
and even within the church, most of the younger generation don't care about being pure anymore,
Pure is a strange word to use for an apparent unhealthy obsession with sex. Sex is natural and primal urge and it can be wonderful and jolly, and also dark and dangerous. A woman's worth does not resolve on the status of her hymen, this odious morality has no place in a modern age.
those of us that do have a real battle on our hands and many of us fall at some point because the pressure is just so strong.
Don't forget the perfectly healthy and natural urges that you are confounding with this primitive sexual morality.
Secondly any words of wisdom for the younger generation in regards to faith in our culture?
Don't listen to sex-obsessed clerics.
 
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It's just an observation and a genuine concern.

Thanks,

Ladybuelah

hi there!

I think the most important thing is to find a good church or fellowship where you can find like minded people. If you are around others who understand the pressures on Christians too then it would be a lot easier. It might take some looking, but worth it in the end.

In general I think these days are the hardest it's ever been, because we are so close to the Lord's return things are really heating up. But be careful, there are a lot of churches into crazy stuff now.

God Bless



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Don't listen to sex-obsessed clerics.

Sex spills over into other issues, I think an increase in sexual freedom is linked to is also a decline in commitment. I know a woman who dropped by church, she had three children by three different fathers and a fourth on the way but no father around when her child was born.
 
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[lismore]hi there!

I think the most important thing is to find a good church or fellowship where you can find like minded people. If you are around others who understand the pressures on Christians too then it would be a lot easier. It might take some looking, but worth it in the end.

I agree with you here.



In general I think these days are the hardest it's ever been, because we are so close to the Lord's return things are really heating up.

You are merely speculating as to when the Lord returns. For over 2000yrs people have speculated and imagined their era to be that when the Lord returns. Also, I'm not entirely convinced these times are any more challenging for Christians now, than they were in previous generations. Persecution takes many forms and varies considerably based upon location.

Young Christians are living in a time when the media is saturated with sex, promoting promiscuity, abortions on tap, a general decline in basic morals and an increased ambivalence towards faith. Young Christians, perhaps even Christians as a whole, need to traverse through this quagmire of fleshly distractions, negative influences and such, yet still remain resolute in their faith. Not easy.....

Jesus told us that there would have to be a sacrifice and this well worn narrow path has been walked upon for thousands of years. Young Christians will learn as they go and they have God to guide them :)
 
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Fair play...you raise a lot of good questions there; and are also humble enough to concede that living your life for the Lord in this country is a difficult thing to do.

As far as advice goes...

From experience (in which I totally wasted the vast majority of my 20's searching for satisfaction in "worldly" things such as money, clothes, football, relationships, drinking, sex etc) I would say that the number 1 thing I would advise anyone in your position is to do this...obey God and leave the consequence upto Him. Sounds simplistic I know, but honestly...I wish I had looked to Him instead of what the world had to offer, despite the fact I was saved at 18.

I would definitely say that it is harder to be a Christian in this country compared to the States. I lived out there in 2008 and without sounding harsh, a lot of the Christians out there have very little idea how easy they have it compared to other countries. That is not to say that we have it tough compared to those who are killed for our faith...not saying that at all. What I am saying is that growing up in an atheistic, non-Christian country such as Wales (or the UK) is hard when you have all kinds of temptations, "alternative" paths (the "broad-way" spoken of by Jesus) that you could follow (sorry if I offended anyone with that last comment but the UK may have once been a Christian nation...but it isn't now. Not even close.)

Just keep doing the fundamentals...Read your Bible, Pray and go to church (that includes fellowship with other believers).

And whatever you do...don't fall into the trap of thinking it is easier to give in to the things of this world been as the fight is so hard...we are called to be soldiers for a reason! Sex, drink, money...whatever it is...does NOT satisfy.

If you ever want to get in touch, PM me. I think I'm only a few stops down the M4 from you so it's nice to meet someone new on here. Hope your church is doing good.

God Bless!
 
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I found American Christianity to be very different from English Christianity.

I completely agree! It's funny how people's culture becomes intertwined with their faith/religion sometimes...

One of my friends I met at University who was from America, actually said she preferred Christians over here, and we seemed nicer. How's that for a compliment...not too sure what I was meant to make of that. I think it's harder to generalise about the US though with it being such a large country. I think it was probably just the type of people she mixed with in her home country at the time, and they don't represent everyone over there. She was also of the view that she thinks we're less afraid to admit to having opinions that don't automatically fit in with current mainstream views in our culture than people are where she is from...don't know how true that is, but that to me, is a good thing.

And had a different idea of what Christianity is all about. Doing good in the World in England usually means disease or starvation in Africa. In the US the keen Christians were backing Bush, opposing abortion, and keen on having as many wars as possible, a very different approach.

Haha, this amused me, because even as generalised as it sounds, there is probably some truth in it. Even though this is seen as "American Christianity" - loving the idea of guns in every available place possible, legalising abortion, going to war, etc etc I just wonder sometimes whether it's the conservative types who are just more loud about their opinions and are the ones who go around drawing more attention to themselves...





I would definitely say that it is harder to be a Christian in this country compared to the States. I lived out there in 2008 and without sounding harsh, a lot of the Christians out there have very little idea how easy they have it compared to other countries. That is not to say that we have it tough compared to those who are killed for our faith...not saying that at all. What I am saying is that growing up in an atheistic, non-Christian country such as Wales (or the UK) is hard when you have all kinds of temptations, "alternative" paths (the "broad-way" spoken of by Jesus) that you could follow (sorry if I offended anyone with that last comment but the UK may have once been a Christian nation...but it isn't now. Not even close.)

Eugh, I mean I can't even express how much I disagree and feel disgusted with opinions like these^^!! :sick: I really hope people here don't think all Christians are like this, or that we all think that the answer to making Britain a better place = the Americanisation of Britain! In all honesty, to the OP, I think being a Christian is a challenge and difficult wherever you live. You will always meet opposition, at times even within your own church when trying to be true to what you believe. Because so many Christians just don't agree with each other on so many things. Even in these so called "Christian countries" not all Christians agree with one another. Yes things are not perfect, this country is still extremely accomodating to Christians living here. We are fortunate to live here!
Possibly as a country, there is less agreement amongst certain stances Conservative/Fundamentalist Christians have, but I can't say I agree with them on everything myself either. I despise labels like these anyway, but find myself almost having to use them sometimes in online discussions because there seems to be a predictable pattern on views some religious people who label themselves in such a way, take on various issues. But if this country doesn't completely agree with certain aspects of religious fundamentalism or conservativeism being written down into its laws I don't think that necessarily makes it anti Christian. The USA in theory are all about seperation of Church and state as part of their constitution. I don't think many want to be known as a "Christian country" anymore than we do, in the religious dogmatic fashion sense of forcing its citizens to subscribe to just one world/religious view by making a single religion's moral codes into civil law. In other words, as a society they recognise there are other lifestyle choices and world views people take. Past teaching on the bible and scripture has not always been correct or the most accurate. Tradition does not automatically = the correct and most accurate viewpoint to take on scripture. America may as a country tend to subscribe more to conservative/fundamentalist ways of understanding the scripture, and that being more intergrated into their culture, I certainly don't think that equates to it being a more righteous nation! As if the correct understanding of the bible and its application is that simple and black and white!

I don't think I'd find it easy living in the US either. I'll be honest, I find some of the mainstream ideas and ways of thinking in certain religious circles in some parts of the US, in particular some southern US states to be just plain weird at times! :/ I'd find it suffocating and oppressive with peer pressure of some people wanting me conforming to their idea of a "Christian." I also think God is above such shallow labels such as "conservative" "fundamental" "liberal" etc, I don't think I could ever say one label is the "right way," or that one country does everything the right way and don't understand anyone who boxes themself off like that. All countries have their flaws, and to suggest America somehow has some kind of spiritual superiority is plain ridiculous! It's bad enough that some arrogant people over there make out they're better than everyone else, I can't believe this attitude has spread to some people over here as well! I don't think living in America as a Christian is any "easier" than here, I think you just come across different problems. There are alternative lifestyles in America, everyone in America has not become a Christian, no matter what their media may like to sell themselves as. There are many and plenty of things wrong with American culture, which also gets passed off as "Christian". I don't really feel like I can discuss openly some of the things I don't like about American culture on here on a forum that has such an obvious bias toward American Fundamentalist Christianity.

But yes, perhaps if some people can really say with all seriousness that they feel oppressed here, and that America is some kind of utopic haven that do everything right and it's where all the perfect omniscient Christians live, perhaps they would be better off just moving there! I am personally extremely embarrised and mortified with such naive and ridiculous statements about America being some kind of superior country! :doh:But I suppose with the US having a tendancy to be more conservative overall, I can see why a poster who labels himself as a fundamentalist will probably think and make comments like that. You do realise that America have actually legalised same sex marriage now in some states (as opposed to civil partnerships) which Britain haven't gotton round to doing yet? I mention this, because it's something some Christians would be opposed to. Still think America are better and superior to us? That's just one example. It's funny how God never mentionned at any point how we are to become and remain fundies for life in order to stay on the right path however, and any new ways of understanding or examining scripture is evil ;) If that were true, it's scary to think how there'd never be any progress or improvements in a country. How scary pride is, how are we ever going to improve, if any country or person thinks they've got it all right!

N.B I do feel the need to add, that I think there are many very nice people who live in the US, who I've met in real life who I like very much, and I do have friends from there, Christian and non Christian. I do not hate Americans :p But the country as a whole, I know I would definetely not want to live there, I would still much rather live here! There are some things about their culture, I really don't like, that has put me off willingly wanting to move there.
 
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I have talked to loads of American missionaries over the past 13yrs since being saved and every one of them will tell you that the UK is a very tough place to spread the gospel compared to the States. I have lived in the States (in some really nice places and also visited some of the toughest places in the whole country e.g. inner Detroit) so I can also say that I agree with them. I'm not saying the U.S is superior at all. I would rather live here if truth be told. What I am saying is that many people in the UK still believe this is a Christian nation...and it simply isn't. People are burying their heads in the sand if they think it is.

In the States, people are far more open to the gospel than over here. That is just a fact...as much as some for some reason may not like it...it's just the truth. I could give you contact details of pastors, missionaries, evangelists, youth workers who have come to the UK from the States, lived here and can testify to the fact. It doesn't mean we should make America our model for how we should live or be. There is plenty about the States that I don't particularly like or agree with. Despite us both being western-ised, there are some major differences. I would take someone's views more seriously if they have lived in both countries and travelled around both so they could see where I was coming from.

Many people label themselves as "Christian" simply by filling in a census or attending a church service at Christmas or Easter, but that doesn't make you "Christian". Churches all over the country are closing each week. A good book to read about this can be found on answersingenesis called "already gone" (or something like that)...

We may have been a Christian nation once...you only have to look through our history to see things such as the Welsh revival in 1904 to see how God moved through these lands. Such revivals can still be seen in places even today, however since the 1960's and the era of post-modernism where we are taught that "truth" is relative, our country has systematically thrown God out of their lives.

Did you know it is against EU law (from what I have been told) to say that Jesus is "the way, the truth..."? (although as of yet it isn't really enforced...look up Dr Rob Congdon and contact him about this). We are no longer allowed to teach that in the classroom, we cannot pray to the Lord in assemblies (by and large most schools don't)...people would rather work, wash the car or go to the beach than go to church on a Sunday; let alone have to attend the mid-week Bible study and prayer meeting. A lot of Christians are embaressed to invite people to church or even talk about their faith to others...Do we really expect the Lord to bless this country when we have turned our back on Him? Some born-again believers can't even be bothered to go to church at all. The Bible tells us we are in a battle. We won't win that battle for the Lord if we won't even get off our butts and win souls like we are commanded to do.

The States, sadly, is going the same way. They are not as far down the road as the UK yet, but you can slowly see things changing over there too. I'm not bashing the UK. I wouldn't want to live anywhere else. I have lived in the States so I think I have a good idea what I am on about. However...the UK (and Wales) is not a Christian nation. We may pay the Lord with lip-service but the figures don't lie when it comes to walking the walk with church attendance.

I may go to a Baptist church. I have no problem with other believers being Pentecostal, Methodist, Charasmatic etc...I don't think I'm better than anyone else either...yes, I may disagree with their doctrine. That is a debate for another time and place...it's more important we go out and win souls. Sadly though, we are not. We are all in this together (and I'm not on about the Big Society)...I just keep praying we won't sit by and watch so many people go to hell when the Lord tells us to put on the full armour of the Lord and go fight for what we believe in. A true patriot in my book is not blind nationalism but standing up for the truth even when our country is doing the wrong thing.
 
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I don't believe in blind nationalism either, I recognise a lot of faults in this country, I just don't agree with you on this. Whatever weird notion people have of a "Christian country" where where being a Christian is the cool thing to do, and it is so part of the culture, I think it's just irritating, it becomes shallow. If being a Christian here isn't a fashion statement, then good. It makes it easier to see who is genuine rather than just people who talk the talk. Why do we want a country where people are scared to challenge the Christian view? I'm a Christian, but I still don't want that. I may not personally agree with other world views, but I think it's good people can think for themselves.

Even in the "good old days" even if there were more Christians around (which is debateable) just because the Christian religion was more closely linked with our culture and politics, it doesn't mean the church got it right, or even that we were a more righteous and better country. I think you are looking at the past with rose tinted glasses, thinking the world was a better place than it was. Lots of stupid and wrong things have gone on amongst religious people and the church as well. We make mistakes now, but in a lot of ways we've also progressed.

And you're not the only person who's been to America either or who's gotton to know people over there. The fact you have also visited doesn't automatically make your opinion the most correct or most accurate. I just don't agree with you, I think you're naive and short sighted if you think the answer to making this country a better place is to just go back in time 100 years ago. Unlike you, I don't think everything new in this society is evil, and everything beforehand was better. Considering Christians are learning all the time, and not all Christians agree with the teaching that goes on in church themselves anyway, I hardly see how imposing it on everyone else in such a forceful way is your answer of a better country. And church attendance itself is hardly an accurate indicator of how many believers there are out there. There are various reasons why people do not attend church. And it is not just because people don't have faith. There were plenty of people who just went to church because it was the culturally acceptable thing to do, not because they wanted to be there. Oh yes, now we have a country where people have the freedom to think for themselves, wow! Instead of feeling pressured to go along with some people's idea of Christianity because it's the socially acceptable thing to do. This country isn't an atheistic nation, or a Christian nation or a Jewish nation or a Muslim nation. It's a country who realises people are different, and instead of practicing religious dogmatism, for the most part, aims to let people just live out their life and make their own decisions.Not that it always happens. Wow. I don't think Jesus was against people exercising free will either. He wasn't shy about preaching the truth, but I certainly don't think he forced himself on anyone either. If you want to create a theocracy full of religious dogmatism then good luck. I much prefer a country where people are allowed to think for themselves, even if sadly they don't believe the gospel. Forcing it on people is not who you will reach people. If you have no respect for their free will, how can you expect them to respect yours? I've also heard many Christians who've come over here, say how they prefer it here. It's less superficial, you meet Christians here who you can tell are genuine, because being a Christian isn't paraded as some fashion statement anymore.

Your idea of a happy Christian country is not everyone's view, including many Christians.
 
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