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The Theory of Evolution does not pass a literal Genesis 1 -- therefore I deem it to be inclusive of Colossians 2:8.
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I am sure others have explained circular reasoning. Whether a position is valid or not is based on evidence not on itself.
Like I can't assert that something AronRa says is true simply because he says so. You cannot say Genesis is a valid explanation for the origin of species just because Genesis says so without evidence to back up the claims in Genesis.
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Oh, yes indeed, I can say that without evidence.
It's called faith -- believing something, even if science says otherwise.
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All right. If a doctor diagnoses a child with cancer. Do the parents rely on their faith in God to heal the child or do they trust science?
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They can trust God to trust a doctor.
I know that sounds flaky, but Jesus made it clear:
Luke 5:31 And Jesus answering said unto them, They that are whole need not a physician; but they that are sick.
Notice what He's saying here? the sick need a physician.
And remember what Luke was called? the 'beloved physician'?
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Jesus often spoke in parables. He was answering Pharisees about why he hung out with "sinners". He was not speaking of literal physicians.
My point you do trust science on some things. People in the Bible thought conditions like epilepsy were caused by demons. Treat with medication or exorcism? Which one do you trust science or faith?
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I like your example.
although
What if the doctor used Faith to diagnose the problem
So av thats the problem. Faith is excellent as a driving force, not as a means of determination mainly the truth or facts.
So why would i use faith to find out how old the earth is, or how life began or why objects fall to the ground?
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That's right, and the parables He mentioned were not things He just sat and thought up on the spur of the moment; but they were things He actually witnessed.
Correct.
That's because you don't know how He used parables -- and besides, I see nothing in that passage to indicate it was a parable in the first place.
Absolutely I do, but I draw a line between science and Scripture that I will not cross over.
You would have to convince me it was epilepsy in the first place.
If it's epilepsy, treat with medication; if it's demon possession, treat with exorcism.
Both: 752
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It's called stagnation - refusing to recognise the value of new understandings.
It's lamentable. Once upon a time Christianity rejected its former persecution of the likes of Galileo, admitted that sticking to provably wrong notions about reality made them look foolish, and encouraged education, exploration and discovery. It's sad some Christian groups have rejected those values and again, atavistically, advocate intellectual repression.
Faith is something else again.; conflating faith with anti-knowledge biases could be seen as anti-faith and even anti-God, imo.
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Source? There are multiple conditions described. One is where an individual was possessed and the other is where the individual had epilepsy. You've linked the two to elevate. Further ,the cause of sickness was identified at its root from the beginning. The same way Jesus could bypass the scalpel. Darwinian evolution isn't used to analyze.
Note that you are talking about science (observable testable and repeatable phenomena). Limited adaptation is science, Darwinian evolution is not. Intelligence creating complex machinery is science, the viability of the Darwinian mechanism isn't. If an observable repeatable effect can be obtained through metaphysics, then it is used. If it can't, then an alternate is required.
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I have plenty of faith in humanity. We have been doing just fine despite religious folk trying to keep us in perpetual darkness and submission. This is forum is not by any means representative of humankind as a whole, specially when you consider the highly polarized nature of the beliefs being represented here. In reality, most people are more moderate in their day-to-day life.
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It is highly unlikely that anyone was ever possessed by demons. Therefore their must have been a natural explanation for people who everyone thought was possessed.
I'll play Devil's Advocate here. Let's say for a minute that they were possessed by demons. Jesus was asked why God would allow such a thing to happen. He said the amn had done nothing wrong, he was possessed, so that Jesus could demonstrate the glory of God by casting them out.
As a child reading these stories I was terrified that the world was haunted by demons, who could possess you even if you did nothing wrong. There is a human disorder called Munchausen by Proxy Diosorder. It is where a parent makes their own child sick to get attention or sympathy. How much more wrong is it for a God to do that to one of his loyal followers?
There is a danger with superstitious beliefs that conflict with science. It prevents people from seeking natural causes and understanding a phenomena like epilepsy or mental illness.
You have a much lower standard for acceptance of what you call "metaphysics" than "Darwinian evolution". Faith healers are known charlatans preying on superstitious people. There has never been a documented, repeatable case of faith healing by science.
Evolution however is well documented. I am not sure what you mean by "Darwinian evolution". Please explain.
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I can't believe you live in Texas and you still feel that way. I said lose a little faith in humanity from reading creationist posts here not complete faith in humanity.
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Actually I live in a small town with a higher than average ratio of churches to people. However, despite all this, the majority of people will not quizz you or bother you in regards to your religion, political affiliations, or race. I should know, being a moderate (leaning left) atheist Mexican and I have been received quite well by nearly everyone I've met in this little town, including the people who welcomed me into their churches (a Catholic one, Southern Baptist, Non-denominational, and a Episcopal) even when they knew I was an atheist with no plans to reconvert.
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They won't quiz you, yet they somehow know you are an atheist with no plans to reconvert?
Hmmm -- you must write editorials for the local paper then or something?
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I think your post touches on a point I want to make. I have faith in people, but not in humanity. When it comes to individuals, people with faces and names, both those who need help and those who would give help, I have found that more are good than otherwise. That people will help other people.
But when it comes to that huge faceless mass called humanity we are viscous bastards with little regard for the rest of humanity.
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I live in Texas as well, and no one quizzes me about my religious beliefs. But people do vote for creationists on the School Board and any number of encroachments on the separation of church and state.
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