Tradition vs. Sola Scriptura
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The church is not an institution really. The Church is each and ever individual. But I beleive He leads each and every individual as well as each body of true believers.
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IreneAdler
more binah in her finger than in your whole body
I disagree but that's another thread completely (on the last part)
as for the first part, relationship (mutual interaction -it happens)
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IreneAdler
more binah in her finger than in your whole body
without spirit there would have been no conversion through scripture is what I'm implying
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IreneAdler
more binah in her finger than in your whole body
so hearing God's voice is "pride"?
and I've never said He told me anything for anyone else, it was for me because it was about our relationship (not yours, and not "the church") so my logic regarding that has not in any way influenced your practice or faith and certainly isn't being thrown about as "pride"
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Matt. 7
21"Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.
The context here is about false prophets (v. 15) so unless you are calling others outside of your denomination false prophets then your statement here does not apply.
We do from salvation not for it. I follow His commandments because I love Him.
Yep, is called the Lord's Supper.
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So....
What do YOU consider it when....
1. A denomination insists that God inerrantly ONLY speaks to SELF.
2. The self-same denomination insists that the ONLY one that infallibly listens, learns and follows is SELF.
3. The self-same denomination insists that SELF alone is infallible/unaccountable.
4. The self-same denomination insists that when SELF speaks, GOD Himself is speaking?
Yes, such is the reason why such denomination(s) reject the Rule of Scripture. They MIGHT (at most) substitute the views of self ("Tradition") as the rule for the views of self - but only theoretically since self regards self exclusively as exempt from the issue of Truth, correctness, validity.
What do YOU call that?
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So....
What do YOU consider it when....
1. A denomination insists that God inerrantly ONLY speaks to SELF.
2. The self-same denomination insists that the ONLY one that infallibly listens, learns and follows is SELF.
3. The self-same denomination insists that SELF alone is infallible/unaccountable.
4. The self-same denomination insists that when SELF speaks, GOD Himself is speaking?
Yes, such is the reason why such denomination(s) reject the Rule of Scripture. They MIGHT (at most) substitute the views of self ("Tradition") as the rule for the views of self - but only theoretically since self regards self exclusively as exempt from the issue of Truth, correctness, validity.
What do YOU call that?
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so hearing God's voice is "pride"?
and I've never said He told me anything for anyone else, it was for me because it was about our relationship (not yours, and not "the church") so my logic regarding that has not in any way influenced your practice or faith and certainly isn't being thrown about as "pride"
Needs not to be, but the devil is cunning and unless you have something to test that voice against, how do you know is it God's? Do you assume is it God when you like what you are hearing? (Or when you don't).
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IreneAdler
more binah in her finger than in your whole body
I've only heard it twice, both times when I did it changed my entire countenance and being and brought me incredible peace and enriched my faith. Not sure how the "devil" would benefit from that.
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Kind of reminds me of Satan in the Garden....
He held HIMSELF up as the authority, he argued that what God said (as close to Scripture as such existed then) mattered not, it was HIS "interpretation" and hidden Tradition that mattered. The root of the Fall was ignoring what God said and instead listening to the serpent.....
IMO, the true teacher welcomes the light and comes into the light, welcoming and inviting and even insisting on accountability, pointing to GOD and GOD's WORD rather than self and the views of self. It is the false teacher who hides in the dark, who builds around self HUGE walls of remarkable claims for self alone, rejecting accountability and instead insisting that self is the authority with all the power, who acts like a used car salesman "Trust ME alone, give ME a pass on accountability for what I say."
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The church is an organism.
AS the body of Christ, it moves and functions as a body,
each part moved by the Head.
Without God there would have been no conversion..
goes without saying.
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IreneAdler
more binah in her finger than in your whole body
then it wasn't scripture, it was God through scripture (being a tool not the primary instigator)
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IreneAdler
more binah in her finger than in your whole body
I was just supporting the fact the bible is a tool and is pretty much useless without God.
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Our translaters have done a bang up job imo.
I was able to take up a Bible as a late teenager and read it and even
understand what I read. I read Romans at least a million times
If you understand Romans you're way ahead of me.
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This is futile, IMO.
Haven't the brilliant scholars and philosophers of this world tried this before? Is this world any closer to understanding the Word of God through it's own wisdom?
My advice;
"And ye shall seek me, and find [me], when ye shall search for me with all your heart." Jeremiah 29:13 KJB
"Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:" Matthew 7:7 KJB
"If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all [men] liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him." James 1:5 KJB
Take everything to God in prayer.
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God's Words=Scripture
Actually, God's Word is active period
But it's never without God anyhow.
This is what I believe and so your Bible statements throughout this
thread make no sense to me. WE have completely different views
about it, which is just fine.
I really did read the Bible and come to know about God.
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Have you read it a million times?
Do you know WHY I read it a million times?
I don't understand anything in the Bible completely
and I'm sure that much that I think I understand I
will find out later that I did not understand it as well
as I thought, but what else do we have but our own
understanding of what someone says or writes?
I sure did understand it enough to set me free though!
And that's just what I needed.
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