What is the worst sin?

What is the worst sin?

  • Betrayal

  • Corruption (turning another to evil)

  • Heresy (believing a false religion)

  • Murder

  • Rape

  • Other

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CinNaMin46

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Odd question. How do you measure sin in degrees? My Bible didn't come with a conversion chart in the back.

Flip the question: What is the greatest good?

It still doesn't make sense, but those answers would be more diverse and interesting.


PS- Why is this thread tagged with "sarah jessica parker"? I don't get it...but comical, nonetheless.
 
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Others are in the lead. The list of choices remind me of Dante's 7 levels of hell with betrayal being the lowest level. Lots of tradition still being maintained? My choice would have to be unbelief. Which entails blasphemy against the revelation of the Holy Spirit and manifests itself in every option in the poll. Making them merely symptoms of a greater problem.

This also brings to light the difference between the repentant sinner vrs. the unrepentent sinner. Neither is better then the other, both are sinners.
One is acceptable to God only because of his repentance through belief. The other is unacceptable to God because of his unbelief. The sin being only legal grounds for seperation.
 
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Why am I reminded of the paradox/near contradiction of Martin Luther saying a believer is both condemned and justified? Though I think it was more relevant and apparent with the Latin that he was using. I should look over my old notes from that class.
 
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What would you say is the worst sin of all?

I would name corruption as the worst sin. Not corruption as in taking bribes, corruption as in turning a good person into an evil person, in causing another to do wrong. Corruption is essentially when evil self-replicates, and therefore one person can cause more evil than they could personally do.

The unforgivable sin is not even an option... blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.
 
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From what I read on the wiki page, it seems like the translation is problematic. The so called unforgiveable sin is called such because it supposedly bars the way to forgiveness by normal means. Though the Catholic church seems to say that it is something like the hardening of the heart in that you actively close yourself off from the forgiveness of those sins through baptism and penance. But through God's grace, I suppose, you can turn away from this state of mind that perpetrates this particular sin and can be forgiven.

In more layman's terms, it's not unforgiveable permanently, but only as long as you persist in it. Though even that doesn't completely answer the question that I have in terms of translation. Catholic church calls it an eternal sin, though it seems to be synonymous with the idea of eternal sin, so in that sense, ay sin that is committed willingly is an unforgiveable sin as long as you are impetinent and unrepentant, so to speak.
 
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I thought the "unforgivable sin" was to simply die without "accepting Christ in your heart". I'm pretty sure that's what it says in the Bible.

If I had to truly weigh in the severity of a "sin", then I suppose Murder would be the worst. Does it get much worse than taking a life out of this existence?
 
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Why am I reminded of the paradox/near contradiction of Martin Luther saying a believer is both condemned and justified? Though I think it was more relevant and apparent with the Latin that he was using. I should look over my old notes from that class.

Because it is the Christians state of being within the metaphysical. We have the chance of maturity but will never physically arrive. To step away from the paradox is to go back and lay down beside the dead and unrepentant. It was never about us, we will always be dependent upon the upper level.
 
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Yeah, because life is totally just a ladder instead of a tree, which is not only more reasonable, but is demonstrated more readily in reality. We are not subject absolutely to things above us, especially considering they're not making themselves even readily known. Anything we are subject to is of a higher order law, such as gravity or basic limitations of our body.

To say we are dependent seems a category mistaken in the Christian context; instead it would be better to say you are subject to a sovereign of the upper level, so to speak. Am I wrong?
 
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Yeah, because life is totally just a ladder instead of a tree, which is not only more reasonable, but is demonstrated more readily in reality. We are not subject absolutely to things above us, especially considering they're not making themselves even readily known. Anything we are subject to is of a higher order law, such as gravity or basic limitations of our body.

To say we are dependent seems a category mistaken in the Christian context; instead it would be better to say you are subject to a sovereign of the upper level, so to speak. Am I wrong?


Life is neither empirical reality or effort. Not being subject to things above us changes nothing if something is actually there. Why whould it require a closed system of absolutism? A category mistaken in the non-Christian context. As long as the upper and lower are seperated there is no need for forced absolutism here. Higher order laws are machine functions of the empirical. Relate that to machine functions of the upper level and our dependancy is readily known. That is for those who can experience the upper level. So I would say you are right and wrong at the same time. Because the sovereign of the upper level has made himself readily known to me I conclude by his revelation of himself that I'm both subject to and dependent on him. In both levels. When life becomes a ladder or a tree I'm merely living.
 
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Life is both based on our empirical experiences and our efforts to understand it, even in limited sense.

Not being subject to the thing means we are not bound by its rules, arbitrary as they tend to be with any superhuman entity in question.

Upper and lower are only defined by comparison and not objectively in and of themselves, just like the short is defined as short in relation to the long and vice versa.

Higher order laws are based on consistent empirical observations in each particular context, such as gravity on various levels.

We are only so bound by physics. To argue strict determinism seems to directly contradict the notion that humans have any modicum of free will. unless of course you don't believe we have free will until we surrender our 'will' to God, in which case, the conversation has already hit a wall.

The sovereign of the upper level still doesn't sound like the ultimate sovereign, but merely one in the ladder of sovereigns you imply. God has a god above itself, though this assumes that God is still limited by things such as the nature it imposes upon itself.

You being dependent on something does not automatically require you to be subject to something. I an dependent on my parents, but I am not absolutely subject except to the extent that their experience makes basic sense to follow.

Life as a ladder is different than life as a tree, since trees grow in multiple directions by branching, a ladder is simply one rung after another going up with a strict goal in mind, which isn't the case for human existence as a whole. Individuals might have a ladder, not humanity as a whole.
 
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Life is both based on our empirical experiences and our efforts to understand it, even in limited sense.

Not being subject to the thing means we are not bound by its rules, arbitrary as they tend to be with any superhuman entity in question.

Upper and lower are only defined by comparison and not objectively in and of themselves, just like the short is defined as short in relation to the long and vice versa.

Higher order laws are based on consistent empirical observations in each particular context, such as gravity on various levels.

We are only so bound by physics. To argue strict determinism seems to directly contradict the notion that humans have any modicum of free will. unless of course you don't believe we have free will until we surrender our 'will' to God, in which case, the conversation has already hit a wall.

The sovereign of the upper level still doesn't sound like the ultimate sovereign, but merely one in the ladder of sovereigns you imply. God has a god above itself, though this assumes that God is still limited by things such as the nature it imposes upon itself.

You being dependent on something does not automatically require you to be subject to something. I an dependent on my parents, but I am not absolutely subject except to the extent that their experience makes basic sense to follow.

Life as a ladder is different than life as a tree, since trees grow in multiple directions by branching, a ladder is simply one rung after another going up with a strict goal in mind, which isn't the case for human existence as a whole. Individuals might have a ladder, not humanity as a whole.


You describe living, not life, and severly limit living.

Says the machine.

Says the lower looking upward. Seeing only higher order law you can do nothing else.

Strict determinism isn't a necessary concept or something I would imply outside of higher order laws. Within the lower all will is free. Lots of room for mistakes here.

Negation cancels the possibility of 2 soveriegns. Anything lower than absolute couldn't be in that classification. Wasn't implied by myself. Possibly projecting.

Yet you bear their genetic imprint. Even in rebellion to them you are merely them in a differing context or situation. Very dependent and, I do imply subject too. Is it what you are, or what you do that makes you subject to them?

I know, isn't it sad. Subject to meander in circles like they do. No matter how obese they become they are stuck in the dirt.
 
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