Not again!
We already discussed this. There's no need to bring it up again. I said that it's not a sin, but the desire associated with it is sinful and therefore, it should be repented of.
Upvote
0
Lust: Is it possible to control all your thoughts?
- Thread starter Jim Bob
- Start date
We already discussed this. There's no need to bring it up again. I said that it's not a sin, but the desire associated with it is sinful and therefore, it should be repented of.
I'm just saying not to love the world.Wow.........is that a context issue or are we really supposed to hate our lives and family and virtually everything? Like, the only reason God gave us this life was just to move on to the next.
Upvote
0
ghendricks63
Well-Known Member
Not again!
We already discussed this. There's no need to bring it up again. I said that it's not a sin, but the desire associated with it is sinful and therefore, it should be repented of.
And of course we said the "desire associated with it" is NOT sinful and therefore no repentence is necessary.
Upvote
0
Let me clarify on my statement. The desire is what corrupts the act. Even if the desire is not sinful, the act becomes sinful.
Upvote
0
ghendricks63
Well-Known Member
So let me see if I understand you correctly. You are saying the desire is not sinful...and the act is not sinful...but somehow when you put these two "not sinful" things together they magically become sinful?
Just trying to follow the logic here.
Upvote
0
RMDY
1 John 1:9
- Apr 8, 2007
- 1,531
- 136
- 39
- Faith
- Anglican
- Marital Status
- In Relationship
- Politics
- CA-Conservatives
I don't bother to deny anymore. I have fallen into temptation and now look forward to any opportunity I can to sleep with different women. Yes, I know this is sin, but I love it too much now
Upvote
0
ghendricks63
Well-Known Member
I don't bother to deny anymore. I have fallen into temptation and now look forward to any opportunity I can to sleep with different women. Yes, I know this is sin, but I love it too much now
Cute. Entirely lame attempt at making some sort of valid point, but cute.
Upvote
0
Hello,
I don't understand how can being "aroused" be legal but then imagining sexual acts with this person not be illegal? How can you be aroused and not imagine sexual acts at the same time? Is that even possible?
For exmaple when you see and smell a juicy hamburger then you also want to eat it right? And when you see a totally hot woman and this arouses you then you also want her don't you? How can you be aroused and at the same time not want her or think about sex? This distinction between legal arousal and illegal sexual imaginations doesn't make much sense to me because I don't think that it can be made.
I don't understand how can being "aroused" be legal but then imagining sexual acts with this person not be illegal? How can you be aroused and not imagine sexual acts at the same time? Is that even possible?
For exmaple when you see and smell a juicy hamburger then you also want to eat it right? And when you see a totally hot woman and this arouses you then you also want her don't you? How can you be aroused and at the same time not want her or think about sex? This distinction between legal arousal and illegal sexual imaginations doesn't make much sense to me because I don't think that it can be made.
Upvote
0
This site stays free and accessible to all because of donations from people like you.
Consider making a one-time or monthly donation. We appreciate your support!
- Dan Doughty and Team Christian Forums
Zebra1552
Urban Nomad. Literally.
- Nov 2, 2007
- 14,460
- 820
- Country
- United States
- Faith
- Christian
- Marital Status
- In Relationship
- Politics
- US-Others
Quite. I can get an erection. It's a physiological response to getting excited, and not just sexually. I get erections over quite a bit. Every time I accomplish a great feat in a video game, for example. Being aroused has little to nothing to do with thoughts. Just excitement.
No. I can be full and think it's the best thing in the world, doesn't mean I want to eat it. Especialy if I'm full.
Nope.
Wanting her =/= thinking about sex =/= lust. They are three different things.
If possibilities were limited by what made sense and what didn't it'd be a pretty dismal world to live in.
Upvote
0
If wanting her # thinking about sex # lust, then what are the 3 different things?
How can thinking about sex not be the same as lust? Imagine somebody posts pics of half naked models on a secular forum and then all users reply stuff like "I'd do it" or "I'd smash it" or something like that then this is lust isn't it because you see this picture and at the same time you crave to have what you see.
I don't know how else one could react to a pic or image which totally turns you on. I don't know what a non lustful/non sinful response would be other than not being turned on by it at all.
How can thinking about sex not be the same as lust? Imagine somebody posts pics of half naked models on a secular forum and then all users reply stuff like "I'd do it" or "I'd smash it" or something like that then this is lust isn't it because you see this picture and at the same time you crave to have what you see.
I don't know how else one could react to a pic or image which totally turns you on. I don't know what a non lustful/non sinful response would be other than not being turned on by it at all.
Upvote
0
Zebra1552
Urban Nomad. Literally.
- Nov 2, 2007
- 14,460
- 820
- Country
- United States
- Faith
- Christian
- Marital Status
- In Relationship
- Politics
- US-Others
Being attracted is a natural physiological and psychological response that isn't addressed anywhere in Scripture. The idea of thinking about sex is far from condemned in the Bible- look at Song of Songs. Lust isn't thinking about sex. Lust is wanting sex with another person so bad that you want to do something about it. If you don't believe me, then go do a word study at Blue Letter Bible - Home Page, use their lexicons and study tools. Google it.
Because sex is a gift from God, a normal function of biology, and lust isn't a thought, it's a desire. I think you're confused about what lust means from a biblical perspective.
Yes, but that isn't just thinking about sex.
Just because something turns you on doesn't mean you want it badly enough to want to do something about it.
Upvote
0
I don't know but your definition of lust doesn't make much sense to me. I mean I can easily look at a girl and then imagine doing sexual stuff with her without at the same time thinking "I'm gonna kidnap her". What do you mean with doing something about it?
I really cannot imagine that the bible allows such sexual thoughts where you think about having sex with somebody. Imagine there's a hot girl in church and you see here and then you have pictures in your head of having sex with her this cannot be allowed. But the problem is what if you cannot keep such images out even though you want to?
I really cannot imagine that the bible allows such sexual thoughts where you think about having sex with somebody. Imagine there's a hot girl in church and you see here and then you have pictures in your head of having sex with her this cannot be allowed. But the problem is what if you cannot keep such images out even though you want to?
Upvote
0
Zebra1552
Urban Nomad. Literally.
- Nov 2, 2007
- 14,460
- 820
- Country
- United States
- Faith
- Christian
- Marital Status
- In Relationship
- Politics
- US-Others
If it doesn't make sense, then research it. Don't rely on me to answer your questions for you, or anyone else in this forum. Use the tools you have at your disposal to make an informed decision rather than relying on other people to tell you the truth.
A century ago people couldn't imagine that the Bible allows equal treatment for blacks, women, and gays, yet here we are.
Why can't it be allowed? What circumstances prevent this from being permissible or beneficial? Why is what you think about or don't think about important?
And before you freak out and think I'm telling you to sin, or anyone else does for that matter, I'm making a point: If you can't figure out why any of these things are wrong, that is to say if you don't have good reasons that prevent you from doing this, then your morality is useless. Pray about it, research it, and critically think about it. Don't just make a decision because it 'feels wrong'.
Upvote
0
This site stays free and accessible to all because of donations from people like you.
Consider making a one-time or monthly donation. We appreciate your support!
- Dan Doughty and Team Christian Forums
I'd say because the bible says we shall think about holy things and pure things now if I imagine having sex with a person without being married to her then this isn't allowed or at least this is how christians tell it. If you're married you can fantasize about the wife but if you're not married you must not think about anything.
And in the bible there are also verses which speak about the lusts of the eyes or making a covenant with your eyes. These things also seem like you mustn't look at things which tempt you because this is how you get those thoughts in the first place. If I had never seen any sexual acts then I could not even imagine these things and then I also could not think such things. You only think about such things when you've seen them before.
And what about inappropriate content according to your logic? Do you think watching inappropriate content is okay as long as you don't "want to do something about it."
I hope you're not saying that because inappropriate content is totally addictive and dangerous. Nobody can tell me that it's not dangerous I have experienced it first hand. Those images and sounds are totally hard to get rid of once you've been exposed to them.
Upvote
0
That even our thoughts matter to God becomes clear from Jesus talking about hating somebody being like murder in your heart or lusting after a woman being adultery in the heart. The thoughts do matter and not just what you do. I think you agree with me on this one right?
Upvote
0
This site stays free and accessible to all because of donations from people like you.
Consider making a one-time or monthly donation. We appreciate your support!
- Dan Doughty and Team Christian Forums
Zebra1552
Urban Nomad. Literally.
- Nov 2, 2007
- 14,460
- 820
- Country
- United States
- Faith
- Christian
- Marital Status
- In Relationship
- Politics
- US-Others
This assumes that thinking about sex is dirty and flows from a very puritan way of thinking. Can you back this perspective from the Bible, and can it be debunked from the Bible?
Yet we are told that being tempted is not a sin.
And yet if you happened to stumble across them, you wouldn't know they were bad. Or, if you didn't know what a temptation would look like you also wouldn't know you're being tempted.
inappropriate content always involves wanting to do something about it and you express this desire by viewing images that uncover another's nudity at best- which in the OT is condemned- and at worst treat other human beings as objects with which you pleasure yourself rather than people created in the image of God.
Incorrect. inappropriate content can be addictive and totally dangerous. An asexual person wouldn't find inappropriate content addictive, and a heterosexual wouldn't find homosexual inappropriate content addictive, for example. That's not to say it isn't dangerous, that's to say you're making a generalization that doesn't hold true in all cases.
Hard but not impossible. A bit of self control goes a long way. Thinking about how you shouldn't think about something never works. If I say, don't think about the computer in front of you, your first reaction is to think about the computer. However, if I tell you to think about Joshua 1:9, your first reaction is to go look up that verse if you don't know it and think about what it means and why I asked you to think about it and any thoughts about the sexy girl down the street aren't even going to cross your mind. Romans 12:1-2, by the way, is the basis for this simple principle.
If hate is to murder as lust is to adultery, then the thoughts, by your reasoning, must affect your behavior and emotions towards other people. Does thinking about sex always have this outcome?
I think I'll hold off on answering that. My opinion is that you should research this for yourself, and you can't do that if I just tell you what I think the right answer is.
Upvote
0
Similar threads
