What is sex good for?

What's sex good for?

  • It is only for within marriage to reproduce. (catholic view I guess...)

  • It is only for within marriage but not just for reproduction.

  • Masturbating outside of marriage is clearly an abuse.

  • Masturbating outside of marriage is legitimate but must not serve as enjoyment.

  • Masturbation outside of marriage is legitimate and can be enjoyed.

  • Sex is always to be avoided even within marriage.


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my "determination of the proper limits" is biblical based however from this point yours is just against whatever I say and you do not support your thinking with biblical references siting it is only a non-issue and this makes you right and me opinionated.

And I believe I have demonstrated that my "determination of the proper limits" is biblical as well. As to being opinionated...obviously we both are as is anyone who attempts to learn from scripture. By the very nature of things it is impossible to understand scripture without infusing some degree of interpretive opinion. In fact...you can't even read a single sentance without interpretation based upon knowledge and experience. This is not a bad thing at all. The problem begins to emerge when one believes that they are NOT in fact interpreting and determine that what they believe and understand is in perfect harmony with God and scripture.

Saw a quote recently that I like. Can't remember the author but I agree with the statement.

When all you believe is what you know...you really don't know what you believe.
 
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And I believe I have demonstrated that my "determination of the proper limits" is biblical as well.

yet you are missing biblical references. I'm not sure what you consider demonstrated but if you want to biblically argue something you need to use some scripture. At best all you have done is said how my examples are wrong but you haven't given any counter examples to support that masturbation is a non issue.
 
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yet you are missing biblical references. I'm not sure what you consider demonstrated but if you want to biblically argue something you need to use some scripture. At best all you have done is said how my examples are wrong but you haven't given any counter examples to support that masturbation is a non issue.

Oh you are back to the masturbation issue. To my knowledge you have never provided a scripture that states masturbation is wrong. You have tried to include it by implication as a moral issue because YOU believe it to be morally wrong. But unless you can provide any type of proof that GOD believes it to be morally wrong you are only presenting opinion...not scriptural truth.

Since you are the one claiming masturbation is wrong...clearly the burden of proof is on you. Just attaching it to scriptures that deal with morality does not provide the proof because, as I said, that attachment is only an opinion.

BTW - My view on masturbation is widely accepted in the church so there are plenty of well written arguments on both sides.
 
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Oh you are back to the masturbation issue.

when did I leave the issue?

To my knowledge you have never provided a scripture that states masturbation is wrong. You have tried to include it by implication as a moral issue because YOU believe it to be morally wrong. But unless you can provide any type of proof that GOD believes it to be morally wrong you are only presenting opinion...not scriptural truth.

its based on scriptural truth of how God has created sex. I'm sorry if you feel it is first my opinion then I try and wrap it around scripture but it is the other way around, my opinion is developed through scripture

Since you are the one claiming masturbation is wrong...clearly the burden of proof is on you. Just attaching it to scriptures that deal with morality does not provide the proof because, as I said, that attachment is only an opinion.

BTW - My view on masturbation is widely accepted in the church so there are plenty of well written arguments on both sides

We are both claiming truth and both are claiming the other is wrong. we both need to stand by it and support what we are saying. All you can say is it is a "non-issue", "widely accepted" and I have interpreted the scripture wrong but have yet to used any scripture or provide "the correct" interpretation on the text I site. I do not follow what is widely accepted simply because it is widely accepted. You seem to be putting "widely accepted" opinion above scripture. You may disagree with me and that's up to you but I am supporting what I'm saying with scripture, simply saying it was interpreted wrong doesn't disqualify what I say especially if that's where you leave it.

If you say something is biblical truth than you need to show where it is biblical truth and can't just assume that using those words means it is so just like using the words "you interpreted wrong" also doesn't automatically make it so.
 
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when did I leave the issue?



its based on scriptural truth of how God has created sex. I'm sorry if you feel it is first my opinion then I try and wrap it around scripture but it is the other way around, my opinion is developed through scripture



We are both claiming truth and both are claiming the other is wrong. we both need to stand by it and support what we are saying. All you can say is it is a "non-issue", "widely accepted" and I have interpreted the scripture wrong but have yet to used any scripture or provide "the correct" interpretation on the text I site. I do not follow what is widely accepted simply because it is widely accepted. You seem to be putting "widely accepted" opinion above scripture. You may disagree with me and that's up to you but I am supporting what I'm saying with scripture, simply saying it was interpreted wrong doesn't disqualify what I say especially if that's where you leave it.

If you say something is biblical truth than you need to show where it is biblical truth and can't just assume that using those words means it is so just like using the words "you interpreted wrong" also doesn't automatically make it so.


I have not seen the word masturbation, or a reference to masturbation, in ANY of the verses you provided. Again...you are the one stating it is wrong scripturally...show me the reference where God agrees with you. You may as well ask me to give you scripture that grants us permission to swim. In the absense of a specific scripture declaring that it is good to swim...am I to believe that such a harmless activity is therefor sinful because of this omission? No...the burden of proof lies with the one who is making a declaration which God never did.
 
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"Lust not after her beauty in thine heart; neither let her take thee with her eyelids."
Proverbs 6:25

"Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body,
that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof."
Romans 6:12

"What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said,
Thou shalt not covet."
Romans 7:7

"But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart."
Matthew 5:28

"But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision
for the flesh,to fulfil the lusts thereof."
Romans 13:14

"But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin,
when it is finished, bringeth forth death."
James 1:14-15

"Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God."
Galatians 5:19-21

"Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's"
Exodus 20:17

"For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes,
and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world"
1 John 2:16

"This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do
the things that ye would."
Galatians 5:16-17

If you can touch without lusting, out of marriage, go ahead. But I'd call BS on that. If you're talking about masturbating over your wife or with, then I really don't see a problem with it.
 
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"Lust not after her beauty in thine heart; neither let her take thee with her eyelids."
Proverbs 6:25

"Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body,
that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof."
Romans 6:12

"What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said,
Thou shalt not covet."
Romans 7:7

"But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart."
Matthew 5:28

"But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision
for the flesh,to fulfil the lusts thereof."
Romans 13:14

"But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin,
when it is finished, bringeth forth death."
James 1:14-15

"Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God."
Galatians 5:19-21

"Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's"
Exodus 20:17

"For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes,
and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world"
1 John 2:16

"This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do
the things that ye would."
Galatians 5:16-17

If you can touch without lusting, out of marriage, go ahead. But I'd call BS on that. If you're talking about masturbating over your wife or with, then I really don't see a problem with it.

Again...just like the others you go through a long list of scripture that talks about lust and lust of the flesh etc., where not one mention of masturbation is made, and then conclude it by saying this also includes masturbation. These verses...which I accept BTW, are talking about lust...NOT masturbation.

The problem here clearly is in the way you are defining lust...as if sexual thoughts are lust. This is specifically where we disagree.

Lust is spoken of often in scripture and in many places it is not considered evil but rather and indication of a strong desire to posess. When it is spoken of as sinful it is this strong desire to posess that which one is not entitled to. Always the connection of covetousness is included in lust...good or bad. The command dealing with coveting is only forbidding coveting what you are not entitled to, not coveting itself. Jesus spoke clearly that when in your heart you desire to posess what is forbidden...you are already guilty of sin because the heart contains the very essence of sin.

But do normal sexual thoughts and feelings automatically fall into this category of lusting? I say they do not or the unmarried lovers in Song of Solomon could never celebrate their desire for one another. (Even if you maintain that they eventually married, though there is no clear indication of it, they certainly celebrated their sexual desire for each other long before it could have happened) Desire is often spoken of as good is scripture...and only when it becomes unbridled and lustful does it become sin.

“The word “lust” has become more narrow in meaning since the
time of KJV; the RSV generally reserves the terms for passionate
evil desires, usually sexual. As in English, the Greek term is of wide
meaning, with particular meaning dependent on the context. It can
represent any strong desire, including those that are sinful and
those that are not (Lk. 22:15; Phil. 1:23; 1Thess. 2:17) and can be as
broad as ‘materialism’ (Mk. 4:19; Rev. 18:14) or as specific as sexual
passion or obsession (Mt. 5:28; Rom. 1:24; 1 Thess. 4:5).”
Eerdman’s Bible Dictionary, pg. 668
“Both the Heb. and Gk. indicate strong desire; the bad sense of
evil desire is present only in certain contexts.”
ISBE, vol. 1, pg. 797, 798
“1… epithumia, what is directed toward anything, desire which
attaches itself to or upon its object. It is used exclusively of sinful
desire, which corresponds to man’s depraved nature. The inward
passion of concupicence. 2. orexis, a reaching after, the appetite and
tendency toward the external object. No. 1 is only the mental
desire; No. 2 has conjoined with it the notion of the thing desired.
No. 1 may therefore be used absolutely, as in Rom. 7:7 and 8:9, but
No. 2 never. Hedone, pleasure, gratification, enjoyment, pathos,
suffering, passion (of affection or love). Epithumeo, to fix the desire
upon, to have the affections directed towards anything (of unlawful
desires). Epipotheo, to desire upon, i.e. over and above, to desire
earnestly, long for. (Bullinger, p. 472)
“Epithumia denotes strong desire of any kind, the various kinds
being specified by some adjective. It is used of a good desire in Lk.
22:15; Phil. 1:23; 1 Thess. 2:17 only. Everywhere else it has a bad
sense. In Rom. 6:12 the injunction against letting sin reign in our
mortal body to obey the lusts thereof, refers to those evil desires
which are ready to express themselves in bodily activity. They are
equally the lusts of the flesh…a phrase which describes the
emotions of the soul, the natural tendency towards things evil.
Such lusts are necessarily base and immoral, they may be refined in
character, but are evil if inconsistent with the will of God.”
(Expository Dictionary of New testament Words, W.E. Vine, part 3, pg.
25)

So we know that “lust” is usually very bad, and that “lustful
looking” is sinful looking. But unless we know more than these two
facts, we know nothing useful about what God wants us to avoid in
this regard. Let’s look at some actual texts that deal with this subject.

Job makes a covenant with his eyes: “why should I gaze upon a
young woman?” (Job. 31:1). Obviously this is looking with sexual
desire.
“If you see a beautiful woman and desire her…” Deut. 21:11. Quite
obviously, this is sexual desire sparked by the woman’s physical
beauty and it is approved by God and indeed provided for in His
law. So how does this shed light on “if a man look upon a woman to
lust after her…” (Mt. 5:27, 28). How is this different from “lust of the
eyes?” Why is one forbidden, and the other accepted? In view of the
prima facie acceptance of polygamy in the OT, what about a married
man who looks upon a beautiful unmarried woman, is sexually
attracted to her, and desires her for a second wife? Since this
occurred thousands of times in the OT, with God’s approval, it is
obvious that this does not constitute “lust of the eyes” or “committing
adultery in one’s heart.” It should already be apparent that “lust of the
eyes” is something more than looking with sexual appreciation.

How about your reference to Jesus words?

“Do not commit adultery. But I say whoever looks upon a woman to
lust after her has committed adultery against her already in his heart,”
(Mt. 5:27ff). Is this the definition of “lust of the eyes?” Does one
commit this sin when one merely looks at a woman with sexual
desire?

(To be continued...)
 
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(...Continued from above)

The key to this verse is to know the correct meaning of adultery.
Throughout the OT the word “adultery” means taking a married
woman from her husband. This verse does not condemn a man for looking
at a single woman in appreciation for her physical beauty and
sexual desirability and desiring to enjoy sex with her. If such is
wrong it will have to be proven by other verses, for this one has to
do with adultery. If a single man cannot look “sexually” at a single
woman without committing adultery then what about the
normal role of sexual attraction and desire in the
courting/mating process? And what of the sexual desire, sparked
by the sight of a beautiful woman, that led to the practice of
polygamy and concubinage by godly men such as David, Abraham
and many others?

And what does this indicate about simply looking, even at a
married woman, without the desire to take her from her husband?
If there is no desire or intention or effort to possess her, it is not
adultery to look at a married woman and be aware that she is
beautiful & sexually desirable. “To lust after” a married woman, is
to “desire to take her for oneself,” in the sense of a desire to break up
a marriage so one can have another man’s wife as his own. Adultery is not a sex act. Sex may or may not be a part of adultery.
Adultery is a matter of breaking the marriage bond; it is rebellion of
either a wife or husband against the vows they made to each other.
Israel committed “adultery” against God, yet no human imagines
that Israel ever had sex with God. Israel’s adultery was in leaving
God’s provision, protection and authority, for another “husband’s”
(nation’s) provision, protection and authority. Sex had nothing to
do with it. In exactly the same way for humans, adultery is the
actual, or the desired breaking of the marriage bond, for the purpose
of being joined to another mate.

Prevailing opinion in the church is that for a man to look at a
woman and have any sort of sexual response, is sinful, unless he is
married to her. One well known pastor said to an audience of
several hundred people, “It is wrong for a man even to lust after his
own wife!” Who can truly believe such foolishness? But the prevalence of such
absurdities raises questions about human nature, and about the
proper understanding of the actual words Jesus used in this
statement.

First, human nature is such that every normal male is sexually
attracted to a pretty woman. He doesn’t have to “work up” an
attraction, it is simply there. It is automatic for a man to delight in
the sight of a beautiful woman and to have a strong sense of her
sexuality. It is all part of one package. It is part of the attraction of the
sexes to each other. For a woman to look at a man and find him
sexually attractive is as normal as for a man to look the same way
at a woman. It is the way God made people. Surely no one thinks
that a single man is attracted to and motivated to marry a woman
without any thoughts of sexuality! Such thoughts and desires are a
strong part of courtship for both sexes. When a single man looks at
a beautiful woman and has sexual thoughts about her and asks her
for a date, he has not sinned. Nor has a woman sinned who
delights in the sight of a handsome and sexually appealing man.

Next, we must be honest with the words Jesus used and avoid
assigning them meanings that are not valid according to their true
definition. As shown above, the word “lust” cannot be properly
defined as “having sexual attraction to.” The word means “desire
to possess as one’s own,” in a covetous way. It is desire to steal what
belongs to another. Simple sexual desire of a man for a woman is
not invalid and cannot be made to fit under the definition of “lust.”
To “lust after” something or someone is to have a strong desire to
take what belongs to another. Just as hate is the motivation behind
murder, so “lust” or “covetousness” is the motivation behind theft.
So Moses forbade men to “covet your neighbor’s wife, or your
neighbor’s house….” (Ex. 20:17). Lust is not inherently sexual: it is a
desire to possess the property of another person. If that “covetous”
quality – the desire to steal – is not there, then it is not “lust.”

Again...until you demonstrate that normal sexual thoughts and feelings and even urges are lust...these verses mean nothing to our conversation concerning masturbation because sexual desires are not forbidden in scripture. Even if I choose to imagine a beautiful woman and the delight of having sex, I have not lusted and therefore have not sinned.

Can sexual thoughts and desires lead to sexual sin? Of course they can...just as any desire can lead to sin. The desire for good food can lead to gluttony. The desire for wine or strong drink can lead to drunkenness. But neither of those desires is sinful in and of themselves. We do God and man a great dis-service when we determine that our God designed and given sexual desires are somehow inherantly sinful.
 
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So the question is, what do you have in mind when you say masturbation? How do you touch? Is it because something turns you on or something else? Let's cut the crap for a minute. What do you usually think when you hear about men masturbating? It sure isn't just for exercise. Its because they're looking at inappropriate content or undressing a woman with their mind. I'd say that's lusting after another woman, or at the very least you're using a woman simply for her body then throwing her away. It may not be "lusting" (however you want to define it), but I don't think I'd feel better knowing that my wife is masturbating over other men.

I know in India, parents will often touch their children to lull them to sleep. Do I think of this as a sin? No, I think its weird but I don't think its a sin. What do you have planned though if you're wanting to touch?

Allow me to pose a more personal question. What if I met your wife, and started masturbating over her? How would that make you feel? What if you found out from someone else that I told? Or what if your wife was masturbating while thinking of me? I'd be uncomfortable if I were you. The question is, would you want someone doing that to you?
 
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So the question is, what do you have in mind when you say masturbation? How do you touch? Is it because something turns you on or something else? Let's cut the crap for a minute. What do you usually think when you hear about men masturbating? It sure isn't just for exercise. Its because they're looking at inappropriate content or undressing a woman with their mind. I'd say that's lusting after another woman, or at the very least you're using a woman simply for her body then throwing her away. It may not be "lusting" (however you want to define it), but I don't think I'd feel better knowing that my wife is masturbating over other men.

I know in India, parents will often touch their children to lull them to sleep. Do I think of this as a sin? No, I think its weird but I don't think its a sin. What do you have planned though if you're wanting to touch?

Allow me to pose a more personal question. What if I met your wife, and started masturbating over her? How would that make you feel? What if you found out from someone else that I told? Or what if your wife was masturbating while thinking of me? I'd be uncomfortable if I were you. The question is, would you want someone doing that to you?

"Let's cut the crap for a minute"??

Not really an objective way to respond here do you think? What this reveals to me is that you are of such a closed mind that any other opinion than yours can only be perceived as "crap".

Hmm...this certainly does not leave me much to work with...LOL

Still...with regards to your questions. I find no inherent sin in thinking of sex in such situations since it is a perfectly normal function coupled with an incredibly strong desire by our creator. You naturally think of it as sinful because you have been taught to believe this since early chiildhood most likely. This is unfortunate. In fact this type of sexual repression leads to cultures with a much higher rate of sexual crimes and abnormal sexual behaviors. In all truthfulness...if you were to be so moved by seeing my wife I would understand...she is a very attractive and sexy woman. I really don't care what you do in privacy. Just don't plan to take her from me.

Honestly whether a man imagines a real woman he knows, a simple image of an unknown woman, or no imagery at all and simply releives the tension and buildup with pure physical stimulation...I don't equate it with sinfulness because God created these normal urges and they are perfectly fine when not used in an abusive way.

Now...let me "cut the crap" so to speak. Unless you show me where the bible declares masturbation to be sinful you are only speaking from opinion. In the bible it is clearly a non-issue.
 
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My point in "cutting the crap" was saying that masturbation is often the result of lustful of lustful thoughts or vice versa. inappropriate content is often used in masturbation. Of course, your definition differs.

Many men struggle with this though, as they do end up having lustful thoughts because they touch over someone through inappropriate content or someone they know. It happens, its a stumbling block. I can't in good conscience say that that's okay.

As I said earlier, if you can touch without lusting, go ahead. I'd still call BS on that. If you really don't have issues with this though, it shouldn't matter what I think.
 
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My point in "cutting the crap" was saying that masturbation is often the result of lustful of lustful thoughts or vice versa. inappropriate content is often used in masturbation. Of course, your definition differs.

Many men struggle with this though, as they do end up having lustful thoughts because they touch over someone through inappropriate content or someone they know. It happens, its a stumbling block. I can't in good conscience say that that's okay.

As I said earlier, if you can touch without lusting, go ahead. I'd still call BS on that. If you really don't have issues with this though, it shouldn't matter what I think.

You're right it doesn't matter what you think to me. But I didn't think that was really the point of these discussion boards in the first place. We come here to discuss our faith and various points of view. If we have a good attitude about it we even learn from each other.

I have no problem with having lust on those rare occaisions. (Married to a beautiful woman, remember) But this is because, as you know, I believe it is not lustful to have sexual thoughts and images in my mind. No stumbling block...no sin in the first place. I embrace the way God created me and after careful and exhaustive study I believe scripture supports my freedom. I don't discuss this much outside of forums such as this because very few Christians are able to embrace this freedom. Still...I simply follow Paul's advice in Romans 14:22

So whatever you believe about these things keep between yourself and God. Blessed is the man who does not condemn himself by what he approves.
 
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So the question is, what do you have in mind when you say masturbation? How do you touch? Is it because something turns you on or something else? Let's cut the crap for a minute. What do you usually think when you hear about men masturbating? It sure isn't just for exercise. Its because they're looking at inappropriate content or undressing a woman with their mind.

Actually it is possible to touch without looking at inappropriate content. You don't need inappropriate content in order to get an erection because the body also responds to physical stimulation without inappropriate content. A few days ago I did a test and listened to a bible study for like one hour on my mp3 player while at the same time playing with myself (hope that doesn't sound too gay lol) and I did not think of sexual stuff I only followed the study.
But the problem is that this does not always work. For example sometimes it simply happens that sexual thoughts slip in and I cannot fend them all off. What does this mean? If a sexual thought gets into my mind and I don't want it but still get it then have I sinned? Is sinning always a choice? What if I cannot keep a thought out? I really have to say that masturbating as a relaxation method is pretty good it really is relaxing and helps against stress and I am easily stressed out because I'm depressed and today I had so many things on my mind and the whole time I felt like my mind was racing and then after masturbating I felt better and morer clearer.
But then again when I read those verses about not letting sign reign in the body then this sounds like if the body wants something then you must not give it to it in order to dominate it. :confused:
 
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1 Corinthians 7:9

But if they cannot control themselves, they should marry, for it is better to marry than to burn with passion.

I myself was not raised in a strong faith based Christian environment, and it wasn't until I became born again that God showed me how much he dissaproves of sex outside of marriage. The only problem is that I burn with passion just as bad, if not worse than I used to!!! What is bad is that my passion eventualy turns into lust, and then I do the bad deed, then I repent and start the struggle over again. Sometimes I last w/o masturbating or lusting for months, but sometimes it becomes repetative. Ive been eagerly desiring marriage for about three years now; mostly for love and companionship, but I also want to quit feeling the guilt for falling short like I always do. I am also thankful that my passion hasn't led me back to sex outside of marriage, for that reason itself has caused me to backslide in the past.

What if you arent thinking about sex when you touch, and you aren't doing it out of lust? What if you are doing it because your testicles are killing you???
 
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Yea, I get what you mean.
The Bible's pretty clear on what to do when we're not sure if something is a sin or not though:
"All which proceeds from doubt is sin."
Chapter and verse, please.

So if you're not sure, just don't.
Yes, because God's waiting to throw the book at us. That's why Jesus died on the cross. For justice' sake.
In addition, masturbating could cause those sinners with a weaker conscience to sin as explained on gotquestions.org in the article titled, "What is the conscience?"
I'm sorry. Masturbation causes others to stumble? Are you serious? How the heck do they know about it? Are they stalking you? Spy camera? It's a private issue.

I wish I had some advice on how to stop, but frankly, I've never had such problems before. :(
I hear accountability buddies are helpful, so I could be your accountability buddy if you want. :)
Why is there a need to stop? Accountability is there so you don't do something wrong. In order for you to be anyone's accountability partner on the subject, you'd have to show that it's wrong. Good luck with that.

Note: Next time someone creates a poll with that last 'sex shouldn't happen even in marriage' option it needs to be a public poll. I wanna know who voted yes to that one.
 
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Actually it is possible to touch without looking at inappropriate content. You don't need inappropriate content in order to get an erection because the body also responds to physical stimulation without inappropriate content. A few days ago I did a test and listened to a bible study for like one hour on my mp3 player while at the same time playing with myself (hope that doesn't sound too gay lol) and I did not think of sexual stuff I only followed the study.
But the problem is that this does not always work. For example sometimes it simply happens that sexual thoughts slip in and I cannot fend them all off. What does this mean? If a sexual thought gets into my mind and I don't want it but still get it then have I sinned? Is sinning always a choice? What if I cannot keep a thought out? I really have to say that masturbating as a relaxation method is pretty good it really is relaxing and helps against stress and I am easily stressed out because I'm depressed and today I had so many things on my mind and the whole time I felt like my mind was racing and then after masturbating I felt better and morer clearer.
But then again when I read those verses about not letting sign reign in the body then this sounds like if the body wants something then you must not give it to it in order to dominate it. :confused:
http://students.eng.fiu.edu/~denver/pdfs/Masturbation.pdf

The Bible never condemns sexual thought. Why should you?
 
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"The Bible never condemns sexual thought. Why should you?"


Bro, have you ever read the book of Matthew???

Matthew 5:28
But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

Jesus said that by the way...
 
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"The Bible never condemns sexual thought. Why should you?"


Bro, have you ever read the book of Matthew???

Matthew 5:28
But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

Jesus said that by the way...
You missed the link. If you're going to ignore half my post, don't bother replying in the first place.
 
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"The Bible never condemns sexual thought. Why should you?"


Bro, have you ever read the book of Matthew???

Matthew 5:28
But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

Jesus said that by the way...

You might read up a little before mocking those who understand the passage you ripped out of context better than you do. Just a thought. ;)
 
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