The fourth commandment rest?

k4c · Mar 31, 2011

There are those who say we obey the fourth commandment by resting in Jesus seven days a week.

There are even some who say we already rest in Jesus so why should we rest on the seventh day too?

But is this how God defines the fourth commandment?

God defines the Sabbath rest as a ceasing from labor to honor the meaning of the day. It's not the rest that is holy, it's what the day represents. God calls us to honor it by ceasing from secular work on seventh day.

Those who use the rest we have in Jesus to do away with the holiness of the seventh day have believed a lie. The rest we get from Jesus has to do with sin. The blessedness and holiness of the seventh day has nothing to do with sin.

Those same people who say we have rest in Jesus so why rest on the seventh day will take days off from work to rest.

The fourth commandment tells us that our sons and daughters, male and female servants and even our working animals must cease work on the seventh day in honor of what the day represents.

Have you ever tried to tell your cow she has to work seven days a week because her rest from sin comes from Jesus?

Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath so when we honor the seventh day, as Jesus taught us, we honor Jesus... :bow:

riverrat · Mar 31, 2011

K4c wrote:

The fourth commandment rest?

It is easy to overlook the inference in this commandment that we are to work six days per week. Not may of us follow this part of the commandment!

k4c · Mar 31, 2011

riverrat said:
K4c wrote:

It is easy to overlook the inference in this commandment that we are to work six days per week. Not may of us follow this part of the commandment!

What God is saying is that six days is for secular work but the seventh day is to be holy unto Him. He is not commanding us to work the six days, but rather, He is telling us we have six days to do what we want.

cubinity · Mar 31, 2011

That's a pretty liberal interpretation you've made, there.
I like it, but telling religious people God is giving them freedom to do whatever they want...
Well, it doesn't usually go over so well with them.
They really like the idea of a God that's as much a control freak as they are.
But, like I said, I like the way you think.

riverrat · Mar 31, 2011

k4c wrote:

What God is saying is that six days is for secular work but the seventh day is to be holy unto Him. He is not commanding us to work the six days, but rather, He is telling us we have six days to do what we want.

Great definition of labor, "doing what we want" I will try that on my boss and see the results.

bbbbbbb · Mar 31, 2011

And what of the sabbatical year and the year of Jubilee? Who obeys those commandments now?

k4c · Mar 31, 2011

riverrat said:
k4c wrote:

Great definition of labor, "doing what we want" I will try that on my boss and see the results.

So are you saying your boss makes you work six 24hr days?

What about cutting your grass? And you know that old fence needs fixing in the back yard too. I suppose the wife needs to do some grocery shopping and she's been meaning to paint that spare room for guests. Six days is for labor but the seventh is holy unto God.

k4c · Mar 31, 2011

bbbbbbb said:
And what of the sabbatical year and the year of Jubilee? Who obeys those commandments now?

What did Jesus say and do?

k4c · Mar 31, 2011

cubinity said:
That's a pretty liberal interpretation you've made, there.
I like it, but telling religious people God is giving them freedom to do whatever they want...
Well, it doesn't usually go over so well with them.
They really like the idea of a God that's as much a control freak as they are.
But, like I said, I like the way you think.

Well thank you for the encouragement, there's not much of that around here.

You know, Jesus invented a delicious cake mix where all we need to do is add water but we feel the need to add eggs and oil too. Some how it just don't taste right our way.

bbbbbbb · Mar 31, 2011

k4c said:
What did Jesus say and do?

Nothing that we know about. The fact that both the sabbatical year as well as the year of Jubilee were probably ignored as early as the period of the Judges is highly problematic for legalists who insist that God's Law is eternal and eternally applicable to all of mankind.

The fact that these were not practice should be no hindrance to the latter-day Sabbatarian. After all, they have reinvented the Sabbath in a form entirely unknown to Jesus.

k4c · Mar 31, 2011

bbbbbbb said:
Nothing that we know about. The fact that both the sabbatical year as well as the year of Jubilee were probably ignored as early as the period of the Judges is highly problematic for legalists who insist that God's Law is eternal and eternally applicable to all of mankind.

The fact that these were not practice should be no hindrance to the latter-day Sabbatarian. After all, they have reinvented the Sabbath in a form entirely unknown to Jesus.

The new covenant is based on the words and life of Jesus. He taught much on keeping the Sabbath holy in light of maintaining relationships and caring for necessary needs.

sunlover1 · Mar 31, 2011

k4c said:
The new covenant is based on the words and life of Jesus. He taught much on keeping the Sabbath holy in light of maintaining relationships and caring for necessary needs.

I asked about the jubilee and seven year sabbath on your other thread,
which you havent seen yet. Wouldn't shouldnt you keep these as well?
If not , why?

k4c · Mar 31, 2011

sunlover1 said:
I asked about the jubilee and seven year sabbath on your other thread,
which you havent seen yet. Wouldn't shouldnt you keep these as well?
If not , why?

The words and life of Jesus are the foundation of the new covenant. Anything that falls outside of what He taught is up to you. There are people who still keep the feast days just as a reminder of how God used them to teach a future reality but the future is here and Jesus is the reality. If you want to keep old covenant shadows and guidlines to refresh your memory you are free to do so. There are even principles within them that are helpful and promote the abundant physical life but just don't say, "Thus sayeth Jesus" and condemn others for not keeping them as you choose to.

sunlover1 · Mar 31, 2011

k4c said:
... He taught much on keeping the Sabbath holy in light of maintaining relationships and caring for necessary needs.

He taught much on not elevating days over people and necessary needs.

7The Pharisees and the teachers of the law were looking for a reason to accuse Jesus, so they watched him closely to see if he would heal on the Sabbath. 8But Jesus knew what they were thinking and said to the man with the shriveled hand, Get up and stand in front of everyone. So he got up and stood there. 9Then Jesus said to them, I ask you, which is lawful on the Sabbath: to do good or to do evil, to save life or to destroy it?
10He looked around at them all, and then said to the man, Stretch out your hand. He did so, and his hand was completely restored. 11But they were furious and began to discuss with one another what they might do to Jesus.

I used to be a Sabbath keeper (well thought I was keeping it lol) I would get
so discouraged because while I did NOTHING on Sunday (sunday heh) others in my house would not "rest" as I did. So I would plead with them
thinking they were so dumb and I was doing the right thing :doh:

One day God showed me what I was doing..

I remember a couple of years later, on a Sunday, my children had gone
to the neighbors to see if the kids could play. Neighbor phoned me and
said the kids had stopped by and that she had told them "We do NOT
play on Sunday!" (and she indicated that she'd said it in a very mean
manner) I made a mental note to keep my kids away from that, and
suggested that maybe we didn't have to keep the sabbath now ..
She was irate and very ugly with me.. similar to my own attitude
when I thought i could/should keep "sabbath".

Jesus Christ made it clear that He is that rest.
I didn't see it.
She didnt see it.
You don't see it.

k4c · Mar 31, 2011

sunlover1 said:
He taught much on not elevating days over people and necessary needs.

7The Pharisees and the teachers of the law were looking for a reason to accuse Jesus, so they watched him closely to see if he would heal on the Sabbath. 8But Jesus knew what they were thinking and said to the man with the shriveled hand, “Get up and stand in front of everyone.” So he got up and stood there. 9Then Jesus said to them, “I ask you, which is lawful on the Sabbath: to do good or to do evil, to save life or to destroy it?”
10He looked around at them all, and then said to the man, “Stretch out your hand.” He did so, and his hand was completely restored. 11But they were furious and began to discuss with one another what they might do to Jesus.

I used to be a Sabbath keeper (well thought I was keeping it lol) I would get
so discouraged because while I did NOTHING on Sunday (sunday heh) others in my house would not "rest" as I did. So I would plead with them
thinking they were so dumb and I was doing the right thing
One day God showed me what I was doing..

I remember a couple of years later, on a Sunday, my children had gonei
to the neighbors to see if the kids could play. Neighbor phoned me and
said the kids had stopped by and that she had told them "We do NOT
play on Sunday!" (and she indicated that she'd said it in a very mean
manner) I made a mental note to keep my kids away from that, and
suggested that maybe we didn't have to keep the sabbath now ..
She was irate and very ugly with me.. similar to my own attitude
when I thought i could/should keep "sabbath".

Jesus Christ made it clear that He is that rest.
I didn't see it.
She didnt see it.
You don't see it.

The rest that Jesus gives us came as a result of sin, the blessings and holiness of the seventh day of creation is not sin and has nothing to do with sin. God blessed and sanctified the seventh day at creation, even before sin. The devil hates the Sabbath day because it testifies of a creation and it's Creator. By the way, the seventh day is Saturday. Remember, it's all about worship. The beast has his day, which is Sunday. Muslims have Friday and God has Saturday. Who will you worship?

By the way, my Sabbath is very busy serving the Lord and His people. I can't wait for Sabbath afternoon because that's when I really get to rest and relax.

sunlover1 · Mar 31, 2011

k4c said:
The rest that Jesus gives us came as a result of sin,

Hi, can you please elaborate on what you mean here? Thanks. I am new to this discussion...

the blessings and holiness of the seventh day of creation is not sin and has nothing to do with sin. God blessed and sanctified the seventh day at creation, even before sin. The devil hates the Sabbath day because it testifies of a creation and it's Creator. By the way, the seventh day is Saturday. Remember, it's all about worship. The beast has his day, which is Sunday. Muslims have Friday and God has Saturday. Who will you worship?

Where do you get this beast day business?
Thanks?

By the way, my Sabbath is very busy serving the Lord and His people. I can't wait for Sabbath afternoon because that's when I really get to rest and relax.

Resting is nice. I'm fixin to do just that
shortly here

cyberlizard · Apr 1, 2011

bbbbbbb said:
And what of the sabbatical year and the year of Jubilee? Who obeys those commandments now?

context is everything... where does it say the jubilee/sabbatical year should be kept... which country should it be kept in? the Torah is explicit, it should be kept only in Israel.(Lev.25v2; Lev. 25v10) The commandment applies in no other country.

this is an example of people thinking the commandments apply equally and in every place. Fortunately hardly any of the commandments exist in this form.

Steve

k4c · Apr 1, 2011

sunlover1; Hi, can you please elaborate on what you mean here? Thanks. I am new to this discussion...

Sin is the transgression of the Law. We are sinful by nature. There is not a day that goes by that we can say we have not sinned in word, deed or thought. Jesus died for sin so when we have Jesus as our savior our struggle with sin changes. Why is this? Because Jesus becomes our righteousness, we are accepted in Him so this brings about a rest or relief from the burden and struggle with sin. This is not to say we can just continue living in sin, but it does mean we should not let sin separate us from God, but rather, confess it and He is faithful and just to forgive and cleans. This has nothing to do with the fourth commandment and how God blessed, sanctified and called holy the seventh day at creation. Jesus died for sin, the Law is not sin.

Romans 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Certainly not!

Where do you get this beast day business? Thanks?

There is a huge spiritual battle over worship. Will you worship God or Satan? Satan even tried to get Jesus to worship Him.

Matthew 4:9 And Satan said to Jesus, "All these things I will give You if You will fall down and worship me."

Satan has devised a plan long ago to draw God's people away. Refer here for more on this. http://www.looking4jesus.com/Prophe-cy.html

Resting is nice. I'm fixin to do just that
shortly here

Amen, resting is nice but it's not the rest that makes the day holy, the day is holy so we cease labor to acknowledge its holiness.

When we keep the seventh day holy, as God commands, it separates us from the world as a people of God. When we keep the Sabbath holy we testify of creation and its Creator, which by this very act we reject the false religion of evolution. When we keep the Sabbath holy we tell the world that its the God of creation we obey. There is so much more that goes on in the spiritual realm when we keep the Sabbath holy. God even protected the seventh day by Law for His people to gather in fellowship.

Leviticus 23:3 You may work for six days each week, but on the seventh day all work must come to a complete stop. It is the LORD's Sabbath day of complete rest, a holy day to assemble for worship. It must be observed wherever you live.

If your unbelieving boss forces you to work on the seventh day he is sinning against God and will one day have to give an account to God. This is not so with any other day of the week for God has said, "Six days is for labor but the seventh day is to be holy unto God".

Yarddog · Apr 1, 2011

k4c said:
There are those who say we obey the fourth commandment by resting in Jesus seven days a week.

That would be me.

k4c said:
But is this how God defines the fourth commandment?

God defines the Sabbath rest as a ceasing from labor to honor the meaning of the day. It's not the rest that is holy, it's what the day represents. God calls us to honor it by ceasing from secular work on seventh day.

That would the Sabbath rest that God gave to the Hebrews and only a shadow of the rest that we find from our works through Jesus.

Col. 2:16 Let no one, then, pass judgment on you in matters of food and drink or with regard to a festival or new moon or sabbath.

17 These are shadows of things to come; the reality belongs to Christ.

k4c said:
Those who use the rest we have in Jesus to do away with the holiness of the seventh day have believed a lie. The rest we get from Jesus has to do with sin. The blessedness and holiness of the seventh day has nothing to do with sin.

The rest that we have in Jesus has to do with works of justification. We don't work for justification.

I prefer to keep all days holy but I do not judge you because you seek to keep only one.

Romans 14:5 (For) one person considers one day more important than another, while another person considers all days alike. Let everyone be fully persuaded in his own mind.
6 Whoever observes the day, observes it for the Lord. Also whoever eats, eats for the Lord, since he gives thanks to God; while whoever abstains, abstains for the Lord and gives thanks to God.

k4c said:
The fourth commandment tells us that our sons and daughters, male and female servants and even our working animals must cease work on the seventh day in honor of what the day represents.

The 4th commandment tells the Hebrews to do these things.

k4c said:
Have you ever tried to tell your cow she has to work seven days a week because her rest from sin comes from Jesus?

A cow does not try to justify herself.

k4c said:
Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath so when we honor the seventh day, as Jesus taught us, we honor Jesus...

Yes, Jesus is the Lord of our Sabbath. We find rest from our works in him alone. We have entered into the rest of God.

Hebrews 4:

1 Therefore, let us be on our guard while the promise of entering into his rest remains, that none of you seem to have failed.
2 For in fact we have received the good news just as they did. But the word that they heard did not profit them, for they were not united in faith with those who listened.
3 For we who believed enter into (that) rest, just as he has said: "As I swore in my wrath, 'They shall not enter into my rest,'" and yet his works were accomplished at the foundation of the world.
4 For he has spoken somewhere about the seventh day in this manner, "And God rested on the seventh day from all his works";
5 and again, in the previously mentioned place, "They shall not enter into my rest."
6 Therefore, since it remains that some will enter into it, and those who formerly received the good news did not enter because of disobedience,
7 he once more set a day, "today," when long afterwards he spoke through David, as already quoted: "Oh, that today you would hear his voice: 'Harden not your hearts.'"
8 Now if Joshua had given them rest, he would not have spoken afterwards of another day.
9 Therefore, a sabbath rest still remains for the people of God.
10 And whoever enters into God's rest, rests from his own works as God did from his.
11 Therefore, let us strive to enter into that rest, so that no one may fall after the same example of disobedience.
12 Indeed, the word of God is living and effective, sharper than any two-edged sword, penetrating even between soul and spirit, joints and marrow, and able to discern reflections and thoughts of the heart.
13 No creature is concealed from him, but everything is naked and exposed to the eyes of him to whom we must render an account.
14 Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus, the Son of God, let us hold fast to our confession.
15 For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but one who has similarly been tested in every way, yet without sin.
16 So let us confidently approach the throne of grace to receive mercy and to find grace for timely help.
Praise our holy Father, that he sent his Son to accomplish what mankind could. Jesus accomplished the works which the Father gave him to do and before dying said "It is finished".

Those who have died and are born in Jesus have found rest from their works. Everyone will have to give an account of themselves to God. Let us live in the Lord Jesus so that his works will be ours.

Praise the name which the Father has placed above all others, Jesus Christ.
Lord of lords. My love and my God.

My the Father bless you all,
Yarddog

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