were does the bible talk about a thousand year peace????

Now this is the same ole Celtic that I remember.
Still tripping over your history. Yeah, I can see where you still have some major issues to work out. To me, the word of God takes presidency over every other book. If something contradicts it, I throw it out, no matter what it is.

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On this note bro THUNDER I think I will return to my original user name, "Celtic crusader”

I do see your point THUNDER because I to used to think the bible was the infallible word of god until I delved into first century Christianity and the things they were reading then as scripture. Books like Enoch and many others that they classed as scripture.

I see Jesus, my king and lord as the word of god. What he says, I will obey (I wish) Jesus is the infallible word of god brother, don’t misplace your loyalties hear and put your faith in the bible or the pope or any other thing as infallible because that belongs to god and Jesus alone.

I recall Jesus saying,” I will give you the holy ghost who will lead and guide you into all truth.” And “the holy ghost will tell you of me”.

I don’t recall Jesus telling us that he will send the bible to lead and guide us into all truth brothers. He also didn’t say, “I will send the bible and the bible will tell of me.”

He said,”I send you a comforter, trust him”. That is were you will find the true word of god, in the holy ghosts direction for your life and others. That is infallible and if we don’t obey it we will reap the result.

I am not saying that gods word isn’t in the bible and don’t take me wrong because I do see the bible as true and gods book but I don’t see it as the word of god as you seem to.

At this point I will ask if you have read the book of Enoch THUNDER??

Again, what do you make of genesis ch 5 and 6 concerning the sons of god and daughters of men???

If you believe like I used to, then you probably believe in the two lines of Cain and Seth mingling, so , if you do I would challenge you to look further into what Christians in the first century read wrote and believed because they believed it was a union between angels and women and the proof is in the bible it’s self with many, many quotes from the book of Enoch in the new testament and direct references to the book and the judgments on those angels in Jude and peter. This changed my whole idea on what we have been fed as modern Christian.

The prophesy of Jesus returning with 10,000 angels originated in the books of enoch.

I have been away thunder, BULWARK and me because I have been studying intensely with another American friend on the origins of Christianity and what they taught,wrote , read and believed.
The thing that lead both of us on this study was to prove preterist thinking wrong by proving that church fathers at the turn of the first century were still waiting for christs return.

We found some amazing things in our study; it took us back to the original beliefs of Christians.

All of this is relevant to me now asking other Christians why we have established a doctrine about a 1000 yrs reign of Christ on earth that I haven’t been able to establish "yet" , besides revelations, although everywhere we looked was the great tribulation and consummation of everything into flames and then then resurrection, judgment and recreation of a new heaven and earth.

I am still looking and am finding the search very intriguing to say the least.


I still have that bad habbit of long posts too , sorry

Celtic

Originally posted by celtic_crusader


On this note bro THUNDER I think I will return to my original user name, "Celtic crusader”

I do see your point THUNDER because I to used to think the bible was the infallible word of god until I delved into first century Christianity and the things they were reading then as scripture. Books like Enoch and many others that they classed as scripture.

I see Jesus, my king and lord as the word of god. What he says, I will obey (I wish) Jesus is the infallible word of god brother, don’t misplace your loyalties hear and put your faith in the bible or the pope or any other thing as infallible because that belongs to god and Jesus alone.
Celtic

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Hi celtic,
That was a good catch there brother. After I posted my previous post, I had realized that it was sort of a trick question that I was asking you. But I am glad to say and report that you not only caught it, but also that you answered correctly. Jesus is the Word (John 1:1). Don't worry celtic, I will never forget that. It has been proven to me in these recent days that: Even when I am holding the Bible in my hands, the Holy Spirit has enabled me to find the truth when I don't even know where to look. All truth in the Bible was inspired. Surely the one that inspired it is wiser than the information it contains. The Bible is limited, it doesn't tell all things. But the Holy Spirit is the great teacher who is to guide us into all truth, just as the Bible says. So, in my limited mind, I can see and say that it is the Bible that the Lord wants us to focus on, after Him of course.

I see what you're saying about the sons of God mingling with the daughters of men. I take it as these sons of God were angels of darkness. I also see that this happened after the creation of Adam. But I am unable to see that it could have taken place 8-10 thousand years ago. To get into such things, I would consider myself as running ahead of what the Lord would have me to know. I must stick by his side, especially if I want to hear what He wants me to hear. But I do hope that your search produces good fruit, and I would be interested in seeing what the results of it bring. Good day celtic

I see what you're saying about the sons of God mingling with the daughters of men. I take it as these sons of God were angels of darkness. I also see that this happened after the creation of Adam. But I am unable to see that it could have taken place 8-10 thousand years ago. To get into such things, I would consider myself as running ahead of what the Lord would have me to know. I must stick by his side, especially if I want to hear what He wants me to hear.

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Sticking by his side will definatly asure your salvation THUNDER and I think that by you not dwelving into something like the books of enoch could be a wise choice for you at the moment.

as for the 8 to 10 thousand yrs ago , well , I do see that things get a little scetch when you get beyond 4 000 bc (6000 yrs ago)but even if we deal with the evedance given for these times there isn`t enough time for a flood and then to fit into a 6000 yr total period.

Keep in mind though THUNDER , there were fervent christians that stood against the belief that the world was round because they believed in a 3 teared world of heaven , earth and hell underneath us. these christians were well learnered christians that refused to believe the world was round because of ancient mesapatamian mythology.

hey THUNDER , are you in the military by any chance????

peace

Celtic.

that's one of Nostradamus's predictions isn't it.... it's not mentioned anywhere in the Bible. i don't believe it.

the reason you may be having some problems with the thousand years Bulwark is possibly due to the possibility that thousand should not be taken literally but more like very, very, very, long time and the possibility that Jesus is on the throne NOW...(as stated numerous times in the Bible...which seems to be your critieria for the validity of scripture...which is not a good idea IMHO)...

Originally posted by jenlu
the reason you may be having some problems with the thousand years Bulwark is possibly due to the possibility that thousand should not be taken literally but more like very, very, very, long time 

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Heck, replace the word "Years" in "1000 years" with the word "Generations" and even Brother rollinTHUNDER will argue against a Literal interpratation of "1000", claiming it actually means "Forever".

Why he chooses to apply this "hermeneutic" in such an inconsistant manner, escapes me however.

 

Scripture sure dosen't tell him to do it.

I don't think it really matters about time. Once the 1000 year reign of Christ is over, time will cease to exist; just as it did before creation. How can you contain eternity.

Prepare for His coming!

Originally posted by danrobinson_92562
I don't think it really matters about time. Once the 1000 year reign of Christ is over, time will cease to exist; just as it did before creation.

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Is there a specific scriptural passage or passages that you are referring to here, or is this just your opinion?

 

Originally posted by danrobinson_92562
I don't think it really matters about time. Once the 1000 year reign of Christ is over, time will cease to exist; just as it did before creation.

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I wasn't aware time didn't exist *before* creation. What sources do you refer to?

-Tallyn

IS it mentioned in the Bible? I didn't think that it was... maybe i'm mistaken

ok, i believe that is Revelation chapter 20... i haven't really studied that book before...

I have noticed that after the Sabbath, Adam was placed in the garden and was told that if he ate of the tree of good and evil, that he would die that day...he lived to be over 900...By this I think maybe the Lords day may come after the Sabbath..or 7th day. And can easily be 1000 yrs. Your guess.

I wasn't aware time didn't exist *before* creation. What sources do you refer to?

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Tallyn,
I assume that time is limited to the material realms, so, before creation, there wouldn't have been any matter so that would do away with time considering only matter has a beginning and an end.

I wonder if Jesus matter then considering the bible says he is the first and the last, the beginning and the end.
I suppose that this is what makes god eternal.

Is there anyone that sees a diffrent interpretation for this 1000 yrs peace besides the common Idea of this being Jesus time to reigh in his glory.

P.S. I am shore he could do a better Job that Georgy boy is at the moment. Hope he comes soon and then the real crusades will start and islam will die a quick death.

Originally posted by celtic_crusader
Is there anyone that sees a diffrent interpretation for this 1000 yrs peace besides the common Idea of this being Jesus time to reigh in his glory.

P.S. I am shore he could do a better Job that Georgy boy is at the moment. Hope he comes soon and then the real crusades will start and islam will die a quick death.

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My old friend celtic,
Where have you been for so long my brother?  I was wondering about you just a couple of days ago.  This at least proves one good thing.  And that is that you haven't yet kicked the bucket. 

But seriously now, Islam will pretty much be wiped out on the mountains of Israel before Christ returns, but probably after the rapture.  I know the last part of that statement is debatable, so you can just ignore it if you like.  There will probably still be a thread left though, after Ezekiel 38/39.  I remember our old conversations on this.  Of course we didn't agree on everything then.  I wonder what you have learned since the last time we talked.  It's good to hear from you again my friend!!   Welcome back!! 

Originally posted by celtic_crusader
Is there anyone that sees a diffrent interpretation for this 1000 yrs peace besides the common Idea of this being Jesus time to reigh in his glory?

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Yes there is, but we're not allowed to talk about it here.

PM me if you wish!

Revelation chapter 20 is the most hot debate than any other issues in the Bible.

I was a premill for a long time. I just become amill Nearly 2 years ago.

I let you know, the book of Revelation have lot of symbols and figuratives. Not all are literal.

Rev. 20:4-6 show the picture that the Christians are NOW reigning with Christ in heaven since they died in Christ.

"First resurrection" is the picture of everlasting life, whosoever believe in Christ, already have eternal life.

Eph. 2:1 tells us. we were dead - spirtually death, means we were not saved yet in the first place, NOW Christ quicked us. Quicked, means to make us live is the picture of eternal life after our salvation.

Second death cannot overcome us, because we already eternal life through Jesus Christ.

Second death means eternal punishment - whosoever not believe in Christ, already reserved for punish to lake of fire - John 3:36.

'A thousand year' is the picture of a length time reign with Christ. Christians are already reigning with Christ in heaven since they died for over 2000 years or more.

Psalms. 50:10 tells us, that God owns cattle on a thousand hills. It seems literal number of the hills, but the context of Psalms 50:10-11 talking about God owns EVERYTHING all animals, all fowls, all hills over the world, there might be over thousands of hills in the world.

Psalms 105:8 "He hath remembered his covenant FOR EVER, the word which he commanded to a thousand generations."

It seems literal number of generations. But it is talking about God already make covenant with Abraham, not just for the Old Testament saints only, also, to ALL agesof ALL saints both Old Testament saints and New Testament saints. 'a thousand generations' represent God promises to ALL generations from creation to the end of the world.

If suppose 'a thousand gernation' is literal, then, that means, a generation is 40 years. 40 years x 1000 generations= 40,000 years.

In the context of Matthew chapter 1 talking about the generations from Adam to Jesus. There was 14 generations from Adam to David. 14 generations from David to Jesus. 28 generations for only about 4,000 years.

That means there is 972 generations left from Calvary to the end of the world.


Actually, Psalms 105:8 is talking about the eternality covenant with ALL generations from creation to the end of the world.

Later, I will post more about the issue of millennium with the scriptures.

In Christ
Rev. 22:20 - Amen!