Judgement Day coming May 21 2011?

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The Greek word used is oudeis.

It means no one, nothing.

So no one, no being at all (Angels, Men fallen or saved nor Jesus) but God knows the hour or the day.

Only God knows. You are not following the context of scripture.

We can see things that show it is coming but not the precise time.

You are just plain wrong.

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Jashua is the King of Kings, those who reign with messiah are also Kings.
The church is a body of members, kings, kings consult with each other in diplomacy, making themselves of one accord.

Man is a creation, the body of God is creator [father]
"Let us make MAN in OUR image"

The FATHER [body of Christ, council of kings, creator] knows the day, hour, minute, and second
MAN [created] does not.
 
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Mark 13:32

But of that day and [that] hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

Περὶ δὲ τῆς ἡμέρας ἐκείνης καὶ τῆς ὥρας οὐδεὶς οἶδεν οὐδὲ οἱ ἄγγελοι οἱ ἐν οὐρανῷ οὐδὲ ὁ υἱός εἰ μὴ ὁ πατήρ

de peri ekeinos hēmera kai hōra eidō oudeis oude aggelos ho en ouranos oude huios ei mē patēr

oudeis 1) no one, nothing (no man, nothing, none, neither any man)

The word is the one Jesus himself used. Our King. The King is not wrong. God preserved the word and the intent of that word. And used in the context of Mark 13, it is true. If you do not place faith into what the King said, take it up with our liege.

There is no ancient Hebrew manuscript of The Gospels. Greek was the language used. It was preserved that way by God with reason to give the Good News to Gentile as well as Jew. As there are no Hebrew source texts, Greek is the the way to go.

I trust The King and what he said. And through Greek to Latin to German to English, the word of The King remains true. No one BUT the Father knows. It is very specific. You should accept the word of The King and not try and second guess him.

2- no-one [oudeis] is 'wrong' when presenting ideas for discussion or models to be examined.

1- can you tell what the hebrew word is ?
 
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Mark 13:32

But of that day and [that] hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

Περὶ δὲ τῆς ἡμέρας ἐκείνης καὶ τῆς ὥρας οὐδεὶς οἶδεν οὐδὲ οἱ ἄγγελοι οἱ ἐν οὐρανῷ οὐδὲ ὁ υἱός εἰ μὴ ὁ πατήρ

de peri ekeinos hēmera kai hōra eidō oudeis oude aggelos ho en ouranos oude huios ei mē patēr

oudeis 1) no one, nothing (no man, nothing, none, neither any man)

The word is the one Jesus himself used. Our King. The King is not wrong. God preserved the word and the intent of that word. And used in the context of Mark 13, it is true. If you do not place faith into what the King said, take it up with our liege.

There is no ancient Hebrew manuscript of The Gospels. Greek was the language used. It was preserved that way by God with reason to give the Good News to Gentile as well as Jew. As there are no Hebrew source texts, Greek is the the way to go.

I trust The King and what he said. And through Greek to Latin to German to English, the word of The King remains true. No one BUT the Father knows. It is very specific. You should accept the word of The King and not try and second guess him.

The argument isn't man knowing the date of Jesus' return by his reasoning, it's God revealing to the elect what they don't know. There's a difference between not knowing and given understanding of what you don't know.

Acts 1:6-7
7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
 
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Again taken out of context. We can see the signs coming but The King said not the day or the Hour.

Who do you follow?

Yourself or The King?

The argument isn't man knowing the date of Jesus' return by his reasoning, it's God revealing to the elect what they don't know. There's a difference between not knowing and given understanding of what you don't know.

Acts 1:6-7
7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
 
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Again taken out of context. We can see the signs coming but The King said not the day or the Hour.

Who do you follow?

Yourself or The King?

I don't think that's out of context. Regardless, information about the end times will be revealed at the end times. I've already shown you how not knowing applies to all people; however, God grants to the elect to know.

What strikes me is how God always gives a precise timing of His judgment, yet many today believe He's coming as a thief in the night. As if coming as a thief in the night was a good thing.

1 Thessalonians 5:1-5

1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.


How do you explain this? It's talking about the day of our Lord's return. The brethren (elect) will not be taken by surprise.
 
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Here's a great blog post on Harold Camping, the guy who's behind this date setting:

lamblion.us/2011/03/harold-camping-emergence-of-new-cult.html

Unfortunately you'll have to copy and paste the link with a www dot.


I've seen this blog before, it's an extremely weak argument that has a guy copying and pasting 'heretic' without examining any Scriptures offered by Harold Camping. The only Scripture he offers is those that appear to support congregational churches. Which is in grievous error, for example:

"he Church is inseparable from Jesus, for the Bible teaches that the Church is the Body of Christ, with Christ as its head" - David R. Reagen

That is a gross lie. If that were true, why is there divorce, rape, child molestation, hatred, gross misunderstanding of Scripture (Emergent Church, Vineyard Movement, etc), homosexual pastors, and female pastors?

Why does Scripture refute David R. Reagen's assertion that churches are the Body of Christ? For example:

Revelation 3:14-16
14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;
15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.

In the end it's not about Harold Camping or David R. Reagen. It's even not about watching Left Behind and thinking you understand prophecy from this work of fiction. It's all about God and His elect. The elect will hear, see, and understand His call from Scriptures.
 
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Hello Parable,

Good of you to respond and I'm sorry for being so long in my reply, but I have been away for the last few days. Let's go over the lineage from Adam to Noah together.

Genesis / Luke
Adam - Seth / Adam - Seth
Seth - Enosh / Seth - Enosh
Enosh - Cainan / Enosh - Cainan
Cainan - Mahalalel / Cainan - Mahalalel
Mahalalel - Jared / Mahalalel - Jared
Jared - Enoch / Jared - Enoch
Enoch - Methuselah / Enoch - Methuselah
Methusaleh - Lamech / Methusaleh - Lamech
Lamech - Noah / Lamech - Noah

If we add up the years from father to son given in the Genesis account we come to about 1046 years +/- a year or two if we assume that each child wasn't born on the first day of the father's years and so we may have a half year added here or a couple of months or days extra added there of the partial years. I'll be generous and allow that each son was born on the last day or week of the father's age of years and give an allowable error of 8 years. So that leaves us at 1054 years of creation at the birth of Noah.

Notice that none of the genealogy between the Genesis account from Adam to Noah is even one son different from Luke's account. Therefore, I think it safe to understand that up until Noah's birth we can be confident that the Genesis account and the Luke account agree. Matthew, unfortunately doesn't go back as far as Adam and so his gospel is of no value in this comparison.

So, here we are, confirmed twice in the Scriptures, that when Noah was born the creation age was, at most, 1054 years old.

Ok, let's continue adding years to the flood according to the Scripture record. We find in Genesis 7:11 that Noah was 600 years old when the flood came. This gives us a creation date of 1654 years from the day that God said the first "Let there be..." of creating all the heavens and the earth and His word to destroy all living things by a flood of all the waters in and upon the earth and in the heavens.

Now, you are certainly free to believe that the word translated 'begat' does not infer direct lineage if you so choose, but I'm convinced in the spirit, by the Spirit, that there is a very simple purpose for God including the genealogy we find in the book of Genesis. That simple purpose is so that any thinking man of faith can 'know' the power and glory and majesty of God in the very quickness in which He created all that is in this realm of creation and the very days that the creation has been in existence.

Friend, the God I serve, has the power and wisdom to create in just 144 hours, absolutely everything that is both visible and invisible in this, our entire realm of creation. From the most distant star of the most distant galaxy to the most minute paritcle of matter upon the earth, the God I serve began with a clear and concise 'plan' of what He would need to create to sustain the life of flesh that He desired to create to both love and be loved, at the first hour and created it all in full and perfect completion at the end of the 144th hour.

No millions or billions of years to think and consider and allow natural processes to do any, not one speck, of the physical processes that have brought us to this day, March 28, 2011. No, my friend, the God I serve knew what He was about to do and all that needed to be done to sustain and provide for flesh to live when He uttered the first words that began this realm of creation. He knew that from the moment He spoke the first "Let there be..." that in 6 days He would finish by gathering up some dirt of the earth and forming a man and blowing into that singular man the breath of life. He knew that all He had created, from the most distant star to the most minute particle upon the earth was perfect for the life that He would create in the flesh of men. He knew that from that humble beginning of man we would sin and we would rebel. He knew that He would set in place another 'plan'. A plan that would allow for any one of us who would turn from our wicked rebellion against Him and hear His cry to return to Him and the perfection of a new creation that He would also make for us to then live the eternal life that He had always had in mind to create us for.

Sadly, God was so grieved in the wicked destruction and pain that man had visited upon one another; the creatures of flesh that He had created to enjoy an eternal life of peace and satisfaction in serving and loving Him and being served and loved by Him, that in the 1600th year of creation He was so grieved that He swept His mighty hand across the whole earth and brought destruction to all that He had created for us. But, he relented just a bit, and started over with Noah and his family and soon called Abram to begin the work of His other great plan to save those who were willing to live under His authority and love.

He is a great and awesome God and is not in need of millions or billions of years to complete what He has begun. He merely speaks and the designs of His thoughts become reality to us. He merely says "Let it be so!" and thus, it is so! He is a God with greater power, wisdom, might, majesty and glory than we will ever truly be able to comprehend with our small finite minds and thoughts that we feebly consider today. That is the God who reveals Himself to His created in the Scriptures that He caused to be written for us that we might know who He is and who we are. That we might know how we got here and that because it is all by His mighty hand, why He deserves our obedience and love.

The Scriptures are written to us by God that we might understand that it is His power, His wisdom, His glory that we even have a life to live in the first place. The Scriptures are written to us from God that we might know how He wants us to live and that even though there is not a one of us who has been able to live the life that He has intentioned for us, we can, after finding Him through His word to us, return to Him who is the giver of life and receive that life for eternity and live with Him where we will be free forever and ever and ever and ever and ever more to drink from the spring of the water of life. THAT IS THE GOD THAT I SERVE!!!!!

In Christ, Ted
 
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the grey, cold and damp certainly don't help! but no I suffer quite badly from loneliness and struggle with being perpetually single - but I should keep such groans for the singleness forum! lol

Come to America Brother! Women fall all over themselves to get to a man with a Scottish accent! Romance novels with Highlander this, that or the other in the title are everywhere you look! LOL
If it helps, I didn't marry until I was 35. I know how you feel. I'll pray God sends you a real keeper! As far as saving yer groans for a different location, I'd say this place is as good as any! Certainly can't do it any harm!

As far as the OP is concerned, I'll live my life looking forward to the day and if it so happens to be May 21st, well so be it, and if not, I'll be here (God willing) posting or working. One thing I'm not going to do is pay heed to the proclamations of man when it comes to the things of God. His ways are not our ways no matter how much we like to think they are. We can rant and rave, twist and squirm all we want. In the end, His will is always what is done.
 
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Hello again Parable,

Now, from Noah to Abram we find:

Genesis / Luke
Noah - Arphaxad / Noah - Arphaxad
Arphaxad - Salah / Arphaxad - Cainan
---------------- / Cainan - Shelah
Salah - Eber / Shelah - Eber
Eber - Peleg / Eber - Peleg
Peleg - Reu / Peleg - Reu
Reu - Serug / Reu - Serug
Serug - Nahor / Serug - Nahor
Nahor - Terah / Nahor - Terah
Terah - Abram / Terah - Abram

As you readily attest, there is a discrepency between the Genesis account and Luke's account in a singular generation. Why this is, I don't know, but even if we allow that Luke's account is correct and that there was another generation between Arphaxad and Salah (Shelah), the probable outside difference in the two accounts as to difference in years would only be, at most 600 years, even if we allow that Arphaxad was about to die when he had Cainan and Cainan about to die when he had Shelah. However, based on the rythym of the account as given in Genesis, it probably would not have been more than 100 years.

There is, of course, a second possibility and that is that the generational account, as given by Luke, is not correct. Not necessarily by Luke's hand, but possibly by whoever he got his information from. Remember that Luke's gospel is a hearsay gospel account. It is possible that by the time Luke began his research into the generations there had been an error in the genealogical records maintained by the Jews. It is possible that whoever Luke sat down with and asked to give an account of the genealogy of Jesus made a mistake. This, of course, would not make God's word mistaken if the account was what was given to Luke in his research.

However, I am willing to accept whatever position you'd like to take on this issue, but that either genealogy would allow for a discrepency of thousands of years is a bit much for me to comprehend.

Finally, we continue to the twelve sons of Israel and both genealogies are in agreement through the twelve sons and from there we can pick up through extrabiblical evidence the dates of events. From Abraham's birth to Joseph's journey into Egypt we can calculate to be about 290 years and this would put us about 2200 years since the creation event, or looking back about 1700 BC. This allows that we have about 3900 years from the creation event until the gregorian calander came into being to account for years and we now stand at the year 2011 by that calander. Hence, since the creation event it would seem that the Scriptures only account for us being very near the 6,000th year of creation. This is why I stand steadfast that the earth and all the universe is only about 6,000 years old.

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted
 
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There is, of course, a second possibility and that is that the generational account, as given by Luke, is not correct. Not necessarily by Luke's hand, but possibly by whoever he got his information from. Remember that Luke's gospel is a hearsay gospel account. It is possible that by the time Luke began his research into the generations there had been an error in the genealogical records maintained by the Jews. It is possible that whoever Luke sat down with and asked to give an account of the genealogy of Jesus made a mistake. This, of course, would not make God's word mistaken if the account was what was given to Luke in his research.
The Bible is never in error. It's not from Luke's understanding or research, he was moved by the Spirit of God to write.

2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:


2 Peter 1:20
20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.



I'm sorry my friend, if you do it your way the Bible is in error, as you have pointed out. There's only one correct way of doing it. I highly recommend you watch this video on Youtube (type in the sentence below to find it):

Timeline of history illustrated wmv
 
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To say that they have the day down is ludicrous. This is only going to turn people away when the day passes. Peoples time would be better spent genuinely bringing people to Christ rather than out of fear.

this is another good point ...
so much knowledge, stats, dats, arguments, proofs,
hitler said ''knowledge is power'' ... yet somewhere someone forgot that its about love, not power, knowledge, predictions ...

this point is well recieved, but to me both are correct, and work together, like freedom and discipline, punishment and reward ...
the word FEAR in hebrew [i am told] is the same word for RESPECT
those who come to god via fear should not be rejected by those who came from love, the love must remain the dominant force.

setting dates is as you said all about the fear that time is running out
getting left behind, but these prophesies are there for a reason, like the stars, for seasons and signs.

let the fear work what fear works and love work what love works
in the end its all about respect and honor and devotional love
 
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Ehud Ben Gera said:
It seems like someone is always setting a date for the Lords return. All they do is give the world more ammunition to make fun of us and another reason to ignore us. People should consider their actions and the consequences before making such statements.

You said it.

All I have to say to someone who throws down a date, is do you think you're greater than the Son? Cause he doesn't know when his return will be.
 
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To say that they have the day down is ludicrous. This is only going to turn people away when the day passes. Peoples time would be better spent genuinely bringing people to Christ rather than out of fear.

Really?

The unsaved should be afraid of God and pray for mercy.

Jonah 3:4-5
4 And Jonah began to enter into the city a day's journey, and he cried, and said, Yet forty days, and Nineveh shall be overthrown.
5 So the people of Nineveh believed God, and proclaimed a fast, and put on sackcloth, from the greatest of them even to the least of them.

Proverbs 1:7
The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.


Matthew 10:28
And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.


Psalm 33:18-19
18 Behold, the eye of the LORD is upon them that fear him, upon them that hope in his mercy;
19 To deliver their soul from death, and to keep them alive in famine.
 
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You said it.

All I have to say to someone who throws down a date, is do you think you're greater than the Son? Cause he doesn't know when his return will be.


Jesus knows the date of His return.

Revelation 1:8
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.


Job 24:1
Why, seeing times are not hidden from the Almighty, do they that know him not see his days?
 
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Really?

The unsaved should be afraid of God and pray for mercy.

Jonah 3:4-5
4 And Jonah began to enter into the city a day's journey, and he cried, and said, Yet forty days, and Nineveh shall be overthrown.
5 So the people of Nineveh believed God, and proclaimed a fast, and put on sackcloth, from the greatest of them even to the least of them.

Proverbs 1:7
The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.


Matthew 10:28
And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.


Psalm 33:18-19
18 Behold, the eye of the LORD is upon them that fear him, upon them that hope in his mercy;
19 To deliver their soul from death, and to keep them alive in famine.

What are you trying to prove here? Honestly? We all know that God is capable of anything, yet in the NT it is proven that he is a compassionate God. People claiming to prophesy about the end times, or picking dates are the works of someone else.

You can throw scripture all day long and spint it out of context and what not to get your "point" across. That's the work of a false teacher.

When people spit this crap out it really makes me mad. If jesus doesn't even know how the heck is anyone else going to know? No one is meant to know..
 
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Jesus knows the date of His return.

Revelation 1:8
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.


Job 24:1
Why, seeing times are not hidden from the Almighty, do they that know him not see his days?

Oh does he?

Matthew 24
36 “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son,but only the Father.

In my opinion the NT trumps OT, in almost every way. Christ changed the game for everything. You can live by the law, or you can live by jesus. You pick. If you feel the law is the way, God will hold you accountable for the Law.
 
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