Jesus Had The Cure For Depression & Other Ailments

mrhappy3 · Mar 24, 2011

"Lose your life"

Those who look to live for self only will always have problems.

Of course, the bible teaches through much persecution we will enter the kingdom.

But those who know the "secret" to a sound mind will always have a smile on their face and be at total peace.

keep it - lose it

lose it - keep it

As they say in bosnia - simples !

dies-l · Mar 24, 2011

As someone who has struggled with and overcome clinical depression, I can only say that I wish were as easy as you say. But, it simply is not the case for many of us. It is not as simple as not "living for self." In fact, many people who suffer with depression are so focused on pleasing others and living to meet the expectations of others that they drive themselves crazy trying to do so. There is no magic "secret" to overcoming depression. But, a good counselor is the best place to start.

mourningdove~ · Mar 24, 2011

mrhappy3 said:
"Lose your life"

Those who look to live for self only will always have problems.

Of course, the bible teaches through much persecution we will enter the kingdom.

But those who know the "secret" to a sound mind will always have a smile on their face and be at total peace.

keep it - lose it

lose it - keep it

As they say in bosnia - simples !

I will assume you posted this 'advice' in an attempt to be helpful to others;
however, if you truly believe what you have posted, then you speak as one
who has not had much personal experience in the battle against depression
or else you would know that the battle over depression is rarely won as easily as you propose.

Respectfully.

mrhappy3 · Mar 24, 2011

I appreciate and respect your experiences with this "thing".

I have suffered from it myself and thankfully come out the other side.

I'm not saying I have arrived, but I don't go out to please people, I just do what Jesus would have me to do. That could mean both pleasing or displeasing people, as the Spirit leads.

I am just at a place where I don't strive - but rest in him and his presence.

Life is short, I try to be positive, there are so many broken hearts out there - I just want to beat that old devil over the head and laugh at adversity.

That helps me keep the "thing" at bay.

I'm praying for you's.

mourningdove~ · Mar 24, 2011

mrhappy3 said:
I appreciate and respect your experiences with this "thing".

I have suffered from it myself and thankfully come out the other side.

I'm not saying I have arrived, but I don't go out to please people, I just do what Jesus would have me to do. That could mean both pleasing or displeasing people, as the Spirit leads.

I am just at a place where I don't strive - but rest in him and his presence.

Life is short, I try to be positive, there are so many broken hearts out there - I just want to beat that old devil over the head and laugh at adversity.

That helps me keep the "thing" at bay.

I'm praying for you's.

What you've shared here is abit different that what you wrote in your opening post.

It is good, that you are in a good place today ...
and my hope is that you would continue to have many good days.
What you are doing appears to be working for you, and that is good.

There are many aspects to fighting depression with faith in Christ,
and you share some of them. Again, that is good.

But to come into a forum and declare to a large reading audience
that you have found 'THE secret' to overcoming depression (as you did in your first post) ...
and to say that the answer is simply to 'Lose your life' ...
can be a very frustrating and even dangerous thing to advise to some readers here
that may be truly struggling with a deep depression at this time.

When giving advice in an open forum, where there is a mixed and often unknown readership,
I believe we need be careful to responsibly clarify what we are saying,
that we not be misunderstood and find ourselves doing more harm than good with our words.

Your first post was vaguely written and sounded glib and frankly, abit self-righteous.
But you elaborate abit more what you mean in your second post, and that is helpful.

Yes, we find our place of peace and rest in Jesus.
How we get there is oftentimes a 'process', achieved one step at a time, holding firmly to The Hand of Jesus.
That has been my experience, and what I have witnessed in the lives of many that have found victory over depression.

Hope things continue to go well for you.
God bless.

Tenebrae · Mar 24, 2011

dies-l said:
As someone who has struggled with and overcome clinical depression, I can only say that I wish were as easy as you say. But, it simply is not the case for many of us. It is not as simple as not "living for self." In fact, many people who suffer with depression are so focused on pleasing others and living to meet the expectations of others that they drive themselves crazy trying to do so. There is no magic "secret" to overcoming depression. But, a good counselor is the best place to start.

well said

mrhappy3 · Mar 25, 2011

mourningdove~ said:
What you've shared here is abit different that what you wrote in your opening post.

It is good, that you are in a good place today ...
and my hope is that you would continue to have many good days.
What you are doing appears to be working for you, and that is good.

There are many aspects to fighting depression with faith in Christ,
and you share some of them. Again, that is good.

But to come into a forum and declare to a large reading audience
that you have found 'THE secret' to overcoming depression (as you did in your first post) ...
and to say that the answer is simply to 'Lose your life' ...
can be a very frustrating and even dangerous thing to advise to some readers here
that may be truly struggling with a deep depression at this time.

When giving advice in an open forum, where there is a mixed and often unknown readership,
I believe we need be careful to responsibly clarify what we are saying,
that we not be misunderstood and find ourselves doing more harm than good with our words.

Your first post was vaguely written and sounded glib and frankly, abit self-righteous.
But you elaborate abit more what you mean in your second post, and that is helpful.

Yes, we find our place of peace and rest in Jesus.
How we get there is oftentimes a 'process', achieved one step at a time, holding firmly to The Hand of Jesus.
That has been my experience, and what I have witnessed in the lives of many that have found victory over depression.

Hope things continue to go well for you.
God bless.

Thanks & likewise.

KleinerApfel · Mar 25, 2011

True clinical depression is an illness, and nothing to do with mental gymnastics. To pile that burden onto people with a chemical imbalance that disrupts their thought patters and emotions is very cruel and potentially dangerous.

It took me many, many years to get the right help, and I was prescribed loads of different medications that didn't work before finally finding the right combination.

On this combo I found that suicidal thoughts stopped abruptly within days, and then gradually I rediscovered my true self as my mind became calm, focussed and steady.

I didn't force my thinking into a "right" mode, and cannot claim the credit - and so likewise I now understand, at last, that the negativity and agony I went through before getting relief wasn't my doing either!

If you have real depression as opposed to a short bout of blues, see a psychiatrist to get expert help finding the help you need. Never ever listen to religous people who tell you it's sinful and you should not think/speak like that. Ugh.

TasManOfGod · Mar 25, 2011

Jesus has the cure for everything

Svt4Him · Mar 26, 2011

Sometimes laughter is the best medicine. Unless you're diabetic, then insulin works a bit better. I always love armchair psychiatrists. God gave us every good and perfect gift, and I believe doctors can be part of that gift.

~RENEE~ · Mar 26, 2011

just a thought be careful bout giving such advice you may cause more harm then good.

Svt4Him · Mar 26, 2011

Giving insulin to diabetics? They probably already have it, at least the ones who need it.

Faulty · Mar 26, 2011

I think a lot of assuming is going on here, so here's a little more. It seems to me he's referring to the "poor ol' me's" rather than clinical depression. Seems to be a lot of over reaction going on.

dies-l · Mar 26, 2011

[AQUOTE=Faulty;57074560]I think a lot of assuming is going on here, so here's a little more. It seems to me he's referring to the "poor ol' me's" rather than clinical depression. Seems to be a lot of over reaction going on.[/QUOTE]

I have struggled with clinical depression much of my life. Until a couple years ago it was pooorly managed. When I became a believer, I had a temporary respite from depression symptoms. However, the disease never really went away. I spent years being told by well meaning believers that all I had to do was trust in Jesus, and I would be fine. A couple years ago, I found a great Christian counselor who referred me to apsychiatrist who started me on a treeatment plan that has been a miracle in my life. Whether th OP is talking about clinical depression or not is irrelevant. The damage done by such careless statements is profound, and it is hardly "overreacting" to correct such an error in judgment.

Faulty · Mar 26, 2011

dies-l said:
[AQUOTE=Faulty;57074560]I think a lot of assuming is going on here, so here's a little more. It seems to me he's referring to the "poor ol' me's" rather than clinical depression. Seems to be a lot of over reaction going on.

I have struggled with clinical depression much of my life. Until a couple years ago it was pooorly managed. When I became a believer, I had a temporary respite from depression symptoms. However, the disease never really went away. I spent years being told by well meaning believers that all I had to do was trust in Jesus, and I would be fine. A couple years ago, I found a great Christian counselor who referred me to apsychiatrist who started me on a treeatment plan that has been a miracle in my life. Whether th OP is talking about clinical depression or not is irrelevant. The damage done by such careless statements is profound, and it is hardly "overreacting" to correct such an error in judgment.[/quote]

It's not irrelevant at all, it's two different things completely.

HAPMinistries · Mar 26, 2011

On a side note, I found the cure to world hunger.

Stop sending people food.
Send them luggage.
In the luggage, send them $ for a ticket, and a note that says:

"MOVE TO WHERE THE FOOD IS!!!"

^_^

gratefulgrace · Mar 27, 2011

I agree the first step to healing from depression is connecting with the Lord. The baptism in the Holy Spirit had a huge and immediate impact on me. However, as the depression was being caused by deep childhood trauma that had never been dealt with, it took medication and a certain amount of secular counselling as well as growing spiritually to really get the victory. From time to time I had to take medication. I have now been med free for several years and although I do have lows, I have not felt the need to return to this support. Some folks though never get over the need for medical help in this matter. I have a friend who is bi polar and he must keep on his meds. Now he is not yet a christian so this may change when he make the choice for God. I hope anyway for both eventualities but that is between him and God.

KleinerApfel · Mar 27, 2011

Faulty said:
I think a lot of assuming is going on here, so here's a little more. It seems to me he's referring to the "poor ol' me's" rather than clinical depression. Seems to be a lot of over reaction going on.

I understand what you're saying, however there is still a problem with posts like the OP.

When a person is suffering clinical depression they often experience a skewing of their thoughts that causes them to believe practically anything negative applies to them.
Reading such statements about "depression" and how we can overcome it by faith alone will cause truly depressed people to condemn themselves, question their faith, and generally tailspin into a deep, dark and agonising pit.

When posting about the blues, a bad day, feeling a bit low, it is important to remember those sufferers with a medical problem, and take time to differentiate.

For instance, if I was posting that you could get rid of a particular little itchy lump through faith, I'd want to be sure that when I said that, you all understood I was speaking only of a mosquito bite, and not folks with a diagnosed cancerous mole that needed urgent attention from a doctor.

The analogy isn't as daft as it might seem. The blues, a bad day or few weeks, stuff like that which all of us experience now and then, is as far from depression as an insect bite is from cancer.

Depression is a debilitating and life-threatening condition, and those struggling in it need always to be considered when using the word.

mrhappy3 · Mar 27, 2011

I hold my hands up people if I have offended, but at least its got us talking about it.

Bless you

Faulty · Mar 27, 2011

The Lord is my banner said:
I understand what you're saying, however there is still a problem with posts like the OP.

When a person is suffering clinical depression they often experience a skewing of their thoughts that causes them to believe practically anything negative applies to them.
Reading such statements about "depression" and how we can overcome it by faith alone will cause truly depressed people to condemn themselves, question their faith, and generally tailspin into a deep, dark and agonising pit.

When posting about the blues, a bad day, feeling a bit low, it is important to remember those sufferers with a medical problem, and take time to differentiate.

For instance, if I was posting that you could get rid of a particular little itchy lump through faith, I'd want to be sure that when I said that, you all understood I was speaking only of a mosquito bite, and not folks with a diagnosed cancerous mole that needed urgent attention from a doctor.

The analogy isn't as daft as it might seem. The blues, a bad day or few weeks, stuff like that which all of us experience now and then, is as far from depression as an insect bite is from cancer.

Depression is a debilitating and life-threatening condition, and those struggling in it need always to be considered when using the word.

I must say, this is indeed an interesting set of responses from a group who overall (not necessarily individually to be sure, nor aimed at you directly) claims to some extent all healings at all times when just grabbed by faith.

What ever happened to the usual responses that used to come here? "Believe you receive and you will have whatever you ask in His name", "You can do all things through Christ who strenghtens you", etc. Where is all that now?

If I'm having a bad day, I'm to pray for a better one. If my daughter is sick, I'm to pray over her for healing. But depression, well, that's something else entirely isn't it? Forget the prayers. Forget the faith. We need "doctors" and "medicine" to really combat this thing don't we? I mean, time to pull out the heavy guns!

Yup. I find this all very interesting indeed.

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