Did Darwin own apes?

AV1611VET said:

I'm just wondering if Darwin owned any apes or not?

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A simple google search would have answered your question far faster than any posters on this board could of.

What exactly does this topic have to do with Creation and Evolution?

Isn't that question better suited for Google? He didn't own slaves, if that's what you're asking.

Owning apes is such a bother. It's hard to get a clear title, then there is the insurance, maintenance and licensing fees. Better to rent apes or at most hold a long term lease.

AV1611VET said:

Have you seen the price of bananas today!?

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You're right I forgot about upkeep!

However, to answer your question I would guess Darwin didn't own any apes. I know on the voyage of the Beagle, he brought back many specimens, but I don't think he brought back any sort of primate.

Darwin was an ape. Does that count?

AV1611VET said:

Perhaps they owned him, then?

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In Steven Erikson's Malazan Book of the Fallen it is revealed that the earliest humanoid species, the Eres'al, were actually domesticated by the Deragoth, the Hounds of Darkness.

"L'oric opened his eyes and regarded his father. You are a frustrating man. No wonder Anomander Rake lost his temper. 'What of those half-humans that ran with these Dragoth?'

'A quaint reversal, wouldn't you say? The Deragoth's only act of domestication. Most scholars, in their species-bound arrogance, believe that humans domesticated dogs, but it may well have been the other way round, at least to start. Who ran with whom?'

'But those creatures aren't humans. They're not even Imass.'

'No, but they will be, one day. I've seen others, scampering on the edges of wolf packs. Standing upright gives them better vision, a valuable asset to complement the wolves' superior hearing and sense of smell. A formidable combination, but the wolves are the ones in charge. That will eventually change.... but not for those serving the Deragoth, I suspect.'

'Why?'

'Because something is about to happen. Here, in this trapped memory. I only hope that I will be privileged to witness it before the world fades entirely.'

'You called the Deragoth "Hounds of Darkness". Are they children of Mother Dark, then?'

'They are no-one's children,' Osric growled, then he shook his head. 'They have that stench about them, but in truth I have no idea. It just seemed an appropriate name. "Deragoth" in the Tiste Andii tongue.'

'Well,' L'oric muttered, 'actually, it would be Dera'tin'jeragoth.'

Osric studies his son. 'So like your mother,' he sighed. 'And is it any wonder we could not stand each other's company? The third day, always by the third day. We could make a lifetime of those three days. Exaltation, then comfort, then mutual contempt. One, two, three.'

L'oric looked away. 'And for your only son?'

Osric grunted. 'More like three bells.'



--Steven Erikson, House of Chains

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Who ran with whom?'

On the best of days my dog and I are equal partners...usually I'm somewhere below the cat in the pecking order.

Seriously laconicstudent, why would you add to AoS' quote list?

Blayz said:

Seriously laconicstudent, why would you add to AoS' quote list?

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It would be terribly amusing if AoS started quoting Osric, the son of Father Light, and wayward god of the Tiste Liosan as if anyone would take that seriously in science.

Seriously, if AoS starts quoting fantasy characters, we know its all over.

AV1611VET said:

Is that a YES or NO?

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A no.

As I understand it, the theory of evolution was stagnant, until Darwn wrote [On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the] Preservation of Favoured Races [in the Struggle for Life], which espoused the idea that man came from the apes of the Galapagos Islands (or something like that).

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It would help immensely if you would actually read it before claiming knowledge of it. It's like those people who quote random verses of the bible without reading it. Except you've even gone so far as to quote mine the title!

His 'natural selection' provided the breakthrough technology to get evolution moving again.

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His theory of natural selection was just the quantified observation of the mechanism that took place in nature to improve species.

AV1611VET said:

I'm just wondering if Darwin owned any apes or not?

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No he wasn't a scientist, so he didn't own anything zoological, botanical etc. Darwin was a college drop out, and never even obtained a science degree or education.

What a joke modern evolutionists go around calling creationists uneducated or obtaining their degrees from ''unaccredited'' universities, when Darwin was a pure charlatan who had no education or qualification in the sciences...

AV1611VET said:

Please fix that, or I'll ask administration to do it; thank you.

You can call it quot-mining the title, if you want, but you have no right to change what I said.

I have a right to post what I want, as long as I follow the rules here; and you Internet police don't impress me.

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I added brackets around the fix I made, in proper form.

It is very clearly a quote mine as you have taken this subtitle out of context from the rest in an attempt to insinuate racist undertones to Darwin's work, rather than his original use of 'races' as 'species'.

Saying 'if you want' does not change the dishonest nature of the tactic. The fact you continue to use it even though it has been pointed out multiple times, and now painfully obvious you haven't even read the book just shines as a great beacon of your [not included to make sure this post follows the rules].