AntiChrist, Son of Perdition, Man of Sin???

Soulgazer said:

Ok then prophesy something. What's for supper tonight?

Apocrypha are not scripture. People say erroneous things like that to me all the time. Then, some, actually go and study, and come back later and apologize. Learn the difference between canon and scripture.

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I am so doing by going over this material from Daniel:

And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings. - Revelation 10:10

I have read through much of the Apocrypha, Anagignoskomena and Pseudepigraphs, forgeries, letters of 'church fathers', etc. There is no need to apologize, they are not scripture. While they are useful for a historical sense, not much else.

Soulgazer said:

I don't know how to say this politely, but I'm trying. Your assertion that anything outside of canon is not scripture is not held up in either the old testament or the new.


Back to Prophesy:

The proof they say, is always in the pudding. I have never, in my sixty years of life read a headline that read "psychic wins the lottery", nor have I met a single christian who could actually generate a genuine prophesy.


Until someone can tell me what specifically I am wearing, then "the head of prophesy was cut off with John". I am willing, in fact, I would be glad to be proven wrong, for the Glory of God. Step right up to the plate and take a shot. The worse that can happen is that I start humming the theme from 'twilight zone".

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Scripture gives the criteria for scripture.

As for Prophesy there has been prophets since. There has been a messenger of the Lord even some years ago. She left a great deal about what was coming, she wrote a great deal. The only way for you to know for yourself is to actually test what she wrote for yourself.

Prophecies are not about trying to guess what kind of clothes one is wearing.

Forrest GOP said:

Many fools would.
Sane people would not.

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Before making such a decision, continue in studying, ask questions. Let us look further at the texts.

Have you considered much about Daniel Chapter 7 and Revelation 13?

Daniel 7:

"The first [was] like a lion, and had eagle's wings..." - Daniel 7:4 (One Head)

"And behold another beast, a second, like to a bear,..." - Daniel 7:5 (One Head)

"...another, like a leopard...had also four heads" - Daniel 7:6 (Four Heads)

"...behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth...diverse from all the beasts that [were] before it; and it had ten horns." - Daniel 7:7 (One Head and Ten Horns) [1+1+4+1 = 7 Heads]

Revelation 13:

And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy. - Revelation 13:1

And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as [the feet] of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority. - Revelation 13:2

Notice that in Daniel 7 it is Lion, Bear, Leopard, Beast.
Notice that in Revelation 13 it is Beast, Leopard, Bear, Lion.

Daniel 7:

"...little horn...a mouth speaking great things..." - Daniel 7:8
"And he shall speak [great] words against the most High..." - Daniel 7:25

Revelation 13:

"...a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies..." - Revelation 13:5

Daniel 7:

"...and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time." - Daniel 7:25

Revelation 13:

"...power was given unto him to continue forty [and] two months." - Revelation 13:5

Daniel 7:

The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces. - Daniel 7:23

Revelation 13:

"...and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations." - Revelation 13:7

We should also compare Daniel 3 and Daniel 6 as well with The Book of Revelation. The scenes are over the "commandments of God", "faith" and "worship".

Soulgazer said:

That's the same circular reasoning that Muslems have pulled on me. Sorry,if I had to accept that, I would have to accept the Q'uran too. ...

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The Qu'ran has no such text as this bold challenge that God gives here:

Remember the former things of old: for I [am] God, and [there is] none else; [I am] God, and [there is] none like me, - Isaiah 46:9

Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times [the things] that are not [yet] done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure: - Isaiah 46:10

Now I tell you before it come, that, when it is come to pass, ye may believethat I am [he]. - John 13:19

And now I have told you before it come to pass, that, when it is come to pass, ye might believe. - John 14:29

God has stated clearly in the Bible, the scriptures, that He is the God which knows the future. And says, 'prove me.' by checking out what He has foretold many years in advance by looking at their fulfilled ends. Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, Rome, Divsion of Rome, Anti-Christ Power, and the soon coming end. He foretold about Petra, and Egypt and Ninevah, Sodom and Gomorrah, and Jerusalem. The prophecies are very specific.

Soulgazer said:

Those are very Q'uran like....Like I said I don't know all of the symbols but I can read just enough to find it.

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That first part is not a prophecy, it is simply a rehashing of the true Biblical account in Genesis.

Biblical symbols as defined by scripture [quoted/sourced]:

"Why cloak Bible prophecies in Symbols?
Luke 8 :10 And He said, "To you it has been given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God, but to the rest it is given in parables, that 'Seeing they may not see, And hearing they may not understand.'

Many of the apocalyptic prophecies were given while the prophets were in a hostile foreign land. One reason God cloaked the prophecies in symbols was to protect the messages.

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Animals and their Parts
• Horse = Strength and Power in Battle Job 39:19, Psalms 147:10, Proverbs 21:31
• Dragon = Satan or his agency Isaiah 27:1;30:6, Psalm 74:13-14; Rev. 12:7-9; Ezekiel 29:3; Jeremiah 51:34
• Beast = Kingdom/government/political power Daniel 7:17, 23
• Lamb = Jesus/sacrifice John 1:29; 1 Corinthians 5:7
• Lion = Jesus/Powerful King i.e. Babylon Rev. 5:4-9, Jer. 50:43-44, Dan. 7:4,17,23
• Bear = Destructive Power / Medo Persia Proverbs 28:15, 2 Kings 2:23-24, Daniel 7:5
• Leopard = Greece Daniel 7:6
• Serpent = Satan Revelation 12:9; 20:2
• Tongue = Language / Speech Exodus 4:10
• Wolf = Disguised Enemies that hunt in a time of darkness Matthew 7:15
• Dove = Holy Spirit Mark 1:10
• Ram = Medo Persia Daniel 8:20
• Goat = Greece Daniel 8:21
• Horn = King or kingdom Daniel 7:24; 8:5, 21, 22; Zechariah 1:18, 19; Revelation 17:12
• Wings = Speed / Protection / Deliverance Deuteronomy 28:49, Matthew 23:37

Colors
• White = Purity Revelation 12:9; 20:2
• Blue = Law Numbers 15:38-39
• Purple = Royalty Mark 15:17, Judges 8:26
• Red/Scarlet = Sin/corruption Isaiah 1:18; Nahum 2:3; Revelation 17:1-4

Metals, Elements, and Natural Objects
• Gold = Pure Character Precious and Rare Isaiah 13:12
• Silver = Pure Words & Understanding Proverbs 2:4, 3:13-14, 10:20, 25:11, Psalms 12:6
• Brass, Tin, Iron, Lead, Silver dross = Impure Character Ezekiel 22:20-21
• Water = Holy Spirit / Everlasting Life John 7:39, 4:14, Rev. 22:17, Eph. 5:26
• Waters = Inhabited area/people, nations Revelation 17:15
• Fire = Holy Spirit Luke 3:16
• Tree = Cross; People / Nation Deut. 21:22-23, Psalm 92:12, 37:35,
• Seed = Descendents / Jesus Romans 9:8, Galatians 3:16
• Fruit = Works / Actions Galatians 5:22
• Fig Tree = A Nation that should bear fruit Luke 13:6-9
• Vineyard = Church that should bear fruit Luke 20:9-16
• Field = World Matthew 13:38, John 4:35
• Harvest = End of World Matthew 13:39
• Reapers = Angels Matthew 13:39
• Thorns / Thorny Ground = Cares of this life Mark 4:18-19
• Stars=Angels/messengers = Revelation 1:16, 20; 12:4, 7-9; Job 38:7
• Jordan = death Romans 6:4, Deuteronomy 4:22
• Mountains = Political or religio-political powers Isaiah 2:2, 3; Jeremiah 17:3; 31:23; 51:24, 25; Ezekiel 17:22, 23; Daniel 2:35, 44, 45
• Rock = Jesus/truth 1 Corinthians 10:4; Isaiah 8:13, 14; Romans 9:33; Matthew 7:24
• Sun = Jesus/the gospel Psalm 84:11; Malachi 4:2; Matthew 17:2; John 8:12; 9:5
• Winds=Strife/commotion/"winds of war"Jeremiah 25:31-33; 49:36, 37; 4:11-13; Zechariah 7:14

Miscellaneous Objects
• Lamp = Word of God Psalm 119:105
• Oil = Holy Spirit Zechariah 4:2-6; Revelation 4:5
• Sword = Word of God Ephesians 6:17; Hebrews 4:12
• Bread = Word of God John 6:35, 51, 52, 63
• Wine=blood/covenant/doctrines Luke 5:37
• Honey = happy life Ezekiel 20:6, Deuteronomy 8:8-9
• Clothing = Character Isaiah 64:6, Isaiah 59:6
• Crown = A Glorious Ruler or Rulership Proverbs 16:31, Isaiah 28:5, Isaiah 62:3
• Ring = Authority Genesis 41:42-43, Esther 3:10-11
• Angel = Messenger Daniel 8:16; 9:21; Luke 1:19, 26; Hebrews 1:14
• Babylon = apostasy/confusion/rebellion Gen. 10:8-10; 11:6-9; Rev. 18:2, 3; 17:1-5
• Mark = Sign or seal of approval or disapproval Ezekiel 9:4; Romans 4:11; Revelation 13:17; 14:9-11; 7:2, 3
• Seal = Sign or mark of approval or disapproval Romans 4:11; Revelation 7:2, 3
• White Robes=Victory/righteousness Revelation 19:8; 3:5; 7:14
• Jar / Vessel=Person Jermiah 18:1-4, 2 Corinthians 4:7
• Time = 360 Day Daniel 4:16, 23, 25, 32; 7:25; Daniel 11:13 margin
• Times = 720 Days Daniel 7:25, Revelation 12:6,14, 13:5
• Day = Literal year Ezekiel 4:6; Numbers 14:34
• Trumpet = loud warning of God's approach Exodus 19:16-17, Joshua 6:4-5

Actions, Activities, and Physical States
• Healing = Salvation Luke 5:23-24
• Leprosy / Sickness = Sin Luke 5:23-24
• Famine = Dearth of Truth Amos 8:11

People and Body Parts
• Woman, Pure = True Church Jeremiah 6:2; 2 Corinthians 11:2; Ephesians 5:23-27
• Woman, Corrupt = Apostate church Ezk. 16:15-58; 23:2-21; Hos. 2:5; 3:1; Rev. 14:4
• Thief = Suddenness of Jesus' coming 1 Thessalonians 5:2-4; 2 Peter 3:10
• Hand = Deeds / Works / Actions Ecclesiastes 9:10, Isaiah 59:6
• Forehead = Mind Deuteronomy 6:6-8, Romans 7:25; Ezekiel 3:8, 9
• Feet = Your Walk / Direction Genesis 19:2, Psalm 119:105
• Eyes = Spiritual Discernment Matthew 13:10-17, 1 John 2:11
• Skin = Christ's righteousness Exodus 12:5, 1 Peter 1:19, Isaiah 1:4-6
• Harlot = Apostate church/religion Isaiah 1:21-27; Jeremiah 3:1-3; 6-9
• Heads = Major powers/rulers/governments Revelation 17:3, 9, 10"

[quoted directly from: http://www.prophecycode.com/biblesymbols.asp]

"Many of the numbers in the Bible have deeper prophetic or spiritual significance. Both in the Old and New Testaments, numbers reveal hidden concepts and meanings that commonly escape the casual reader. And throughout history, men with great minds, like Augustine, Isaac Newton, and Leonardo Di Vinci, showed more than just a passing curiosity regarding the importance of biblical numbers. Once more, Jesus said, “The very hairs of your head are numbered” (Matthew 10:30). So obviously, Bible numbers should be carefully considered.

At least 12 numbers in the Bible stand out in this regard: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 10, 12, 40, 50, and 70. In order to express this truth, one or two biblical examples have been given below. However, much more can be said on this subject, so these examples serve merely as an introduction and are not exhaustive by any means.

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1 – represents absolute singleness and unity (Ephesians 4:4–6; John 17:21, 22.) (We presume readers need no more than these two citations, as most of the biblical information regarding unity and singleness is common knowledge.)

2 – represents the truth of God’s Word; for example, the law and prophets (John 1:45), two or three witnesses (2 Corinthians 13:1), and a sword with two edges (Hebrews 4:12). See Mark 6:7 and Revelation 11:3. It is also used 21 times in the books of Daniel and Revelation.

3 – represents the Godhead / Trinity. The angels cry “Holy” three times to the triune God (Isaiah 6:3). See also Matthew 28:19 and 1 John 5:7, 8.

4 – represents universal truth, as in the four directions (north, south, east, west) and the four winds (Matthew 24:31; Revelation 7:1; Revelation 20:8). In acts 10:11, a sheet with four corners symbolizes the gospel going to all the gentiles.

5 – represents teaching. First, there are the five books of Moses. Second, Jesus taught about the five wise virgins and used five barley loaves used to feed the 5,000.

6 – represents the worship of man, and is the number of man, signifying his rebellion, imperfection, works, and disobedience. It is used 273 times in the Bible, including its derivatives (e.g, sixth) and another 91 times as “threescore” or “60.” Man was created on the sixth day (Genesis 1:26, 31). See also Exodus 31:15 and Daniel 3:1.

The number is especially significant in the book Revelation, as “666” identifies the beast. “Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six” (Revelation 13:18).

7 – represents perfection, and is the sign of God, divine worship, completions, obedience, and rest. The “prince” of Bible numbers, it is used 562 times, including its derivatives (e.g., seventh, sevens). (See Genesis 2:1–4, Psalm 119:164, and Exodus 20:8–11 for just a few of the examples.)
The number seven is also the most common in biblical prophecy, occurring 42 times in Daniel and Revelation alone. In Revelation there are seven churches, seven spirits, seven golden candlesticks, seven stars, seven lamps, seven seals, seven horns, seven eyes, seven angels, seven trumpets, seven thunders, seven thousand slain in a great earthquake, seven heads, seven crowns, seven last plagues, seven golden vials, seven mountains, and seven kings.

10 – represents law and restoration. Of course, this includes the Ten Commandments found in Exodus 20. See also Matthew 25:1 (ten virgins); Luke 17:17 (ten lepers); Luke 15:8 (healing, ten silver coins).

12 – represents the church and God’s authority. Jesus had 12 disciples, and there were 12 tribes of Israel. In Revelation 12:1, the 24 elders and 144,000 are multiples of 12. The New Jerusalem city has12 foundations, 12 gates 12 thousand furlongs, a tree with 12 kinds of fruit 12 times a year eaten by 12 times 12,000 or the 144,000. (See Revelation 21.)

40 – represents a generation and times of testing. It rained for 40 days during the flood. Moses spent 40 years in the desert, as did the children of Israel. Jesus fasted for 40 days.

50 – represents power and celebration. The Jubilee came after the 49th year (Leviticus 25:10), and Pentecost occurred 50 days after Christ’s resurrection (Acts 2).

70 – represents human leadership and judgment. Moses appointed 70 elders (Exodus 24:1); The Sanhedrin was made up of 70 men. Jesus chose 70 disciples (Luke 10:1). Jesus told Peter to forgive 70 times 7."

[quoted directly from: http://www.prophecycode.com/biblenumbers.asp]


As for specific prophecies in the Bible [which the Qu'ran does not have], let us see:

Therefore the wild beasts of the desert with the wild beasts of the islands shall dwell [there], and the owls shall dwell therein: and it shall be no more inhabited for ever; neither shall it be dwelt in from generation to generation.- Jeremiah 50:39

As God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah and the neighbour [cities] thereof, saith the LORD; [so] shall no man abide there, neither shall any son of man dwell therein.- Jeremiah 50:40

Babylon is empty to this day. Saddam Hussein, knowing the prophecies tried to over throw them, but failed twice. He did not get a third try.

Just as Hitler, and Napolean knew of the prophecies of Daniel and tried to over throw them. They too failed.

Others, like Kaiser Wilhem, Mussolini, and more also failed. Europe will never be united, not through war, politics or marriage, though it may appear at times to be, it will always remain divided even unto the end of time. They shall not cleave one to another, always partly strong and partly broken.

Stone city of Petra is empty, as prophesied. The very dirt of Tyrus was to be swept into the sea. Fulfilled.

And they shall destroy the walls of Tyrus, and break down her towers: I will also scrape her dust from her, and make her like the top of a rock. - Ezekiel 26:4

It shall be [a place for] the spreading of nets in the midst of the sea: for I have spoken [it], saith the Lord GOD: and it shall become a spoil to the nations. - Ezekiel 26:5

And they shall make a spoil of thy riches, and make a prey of thy merchandise: and they shall break down thy walls, and destroy thy pleasant houses: and they shall lay thy stones and thy timber and thy dust in the midst of the water. - Ezekiel 26:12

And I will make thee like the top of a rock: thou shalt be [a place] to spread nets upon; thou shalt be built no more: for I the LORD have spoken [it], saith the Lord GOD. - Ezekiel 26:14

Alexander the Great finished fulfilling this.

God prophesied Cyrus by name years before he was born and what he would do to Babylon:

Thus saith the LORD to his anointed, to Cyrus, whose right hand I have holden, to subdue nations before him; and I will loose the loins of kings, to open before him the two leaved gates; and the gates shall not be shut; - Isaiah 45:1

There are many many more prophecies in scripture that are fulfilled to the letter. Consider those against Egypt. Consider those against Jerusalem.

Forrest GOP said:

Seventh-Day Adventism ...

Most people know little about the Seventh-Day Adventists... [true indeed]

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Let us now briefly look at Daniel Chapters 3 and 6 and see what more light can be shed upon this power we are looking at.

In Daniel 3 a Great Image of Gold is made in the image of man [whose measurements were 60 x 6 x 6; no coincidence] and set up in a great plain so that all the "...princes, the governors, and captains, the judges, the treasurers, the counsellors, the sheriffs, and all the rulers of the provinces, were gathered together unto the dedication of the image that Nebuchadnezzar the king had set up; and they stood before the image that Nebuchadnezzar had set up." - Daniel 3:3

And what was the purpose? Worship.

Then an herald cried aloud, To you it is commanded, O people, nations, and languages, - Daniel 3:4

[That] at what time ye hear the sound of the cornet, flute, harp, sackbut, psaltery, dulcimer, and all kinds of musick, ye fall down and worship the golden image that Nebuchadnezzar the king hath set up: - Daniel 3:5

And whoso falleth not down and worshippeth shall the same hour be cast into the midst of a burning fiery furnace. - Daniel 3:6

Therefore at that time, when all the people heard the sound of the cornet, flute, harp, sackbut, psaltery, and all kinds of musick, all the people, the nations, and the languages, fell down [and] worshipped the golden image that Nebuchadnezzar the king had set up. - Daniel 3:7

Notice the "all kinds of musick" associated with Babylonian worship. Is this in your church? Just because many will associate Jesus' name with it does not make it of Him.

Notice the Image, all the peoples of the Kingdom were Commanded to bow down to it, and worship and finally a death decree to those who do not worship.

And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication. - Revelation 14:8

And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive [his] mark in his forehead, or in his hand, - Revelation 14:9

The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: - Revelation 14:10

And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. - Revelation 14:11

And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. - Revelation 13:15

But who lives? Those cast into the furnace? or they who threw them in?

Then these men were bound in their coats, their hosen, and their hats, and their [other] garments, and were cast into the midst of the burning fiery furnace. - Daniel 3:21

Therefore because the king's commandment was urgent, and the furnace exceeding hot, the flame of the fire slew those men that took up Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego. - Daniel 3:22

He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God. - Daniel 3:25

To receive the Mark of the Beast is death. To receive the Seal of God is life.

Another Law dealing with worship. Another death decree. Another trial. Another Triumph and another tragedy.

Then said these men, We shall not find any occasion against this Daniel, except we find [it] against him concerning the law of his God. - Daniel 6:5

All the presidents of the kingdom, the governors, and the princes, the counsellors, and the captains, have consulted together to establish a royal statute, and to make a firm decree, that whosoever shall ask a petition of any God or man for thirty days, save of thee, O king, he shall be cast into the den of lions. - Daniel 6:7

Then the king commanded, and they brought Daniel, and cast [him] into the den of lions. [Now] the king spake and said unto Daniel, Thy God whom thou servest continually, he will deliver thee. - Daniel 6:16

And when he came to the den, he cried with a lamentable voice unto Daniel: [and] the king spake and said to Daniel, O Daniel, servant of the living God, is thy God, whom thou servest continually, able to deliver thee from the lions? - Daniel 6:20

My God hath sent his angel, and hath shut the lions' mouths, that they have not hurt me: forasmuch as before him innocency was found in me; and also before thee, O king, have I done no hurt. - Daniel 6:22

Then was the king exceeding glad for him, and commanded that they should take Daniel up out of the den. So Daniel was taken up out of the den, and no manner of hurt was found upon him, because he believed in his God. - Daniel 6:23

And the king commanded, and they brought those men which had accused Daniel, and they cast [them] into the den of lions, them, their children, and their wives; and the lions had the mastery of them, and brake all their bones in pieces or ever they came at the bottom of the den. - Daniel 6:24

Daniel obeyed God rather than men. He worshipped God of Heaven, the Creator and not a man. He was thrown into the Lions Den, but he comes out alive and lives. Those who conspired against him and caused the death decree, died.

Commandment Numbers 1, 2, 3 are involved. Worship. Soon coming is a decree coming against the 4th Commandment and this is to be the trial.

The Beast and His Mark OR God and His Seal which is found in the 4th Commandment.

Seal: Name, Title, Authority/Territory.

YHWH (Lord); Creator (made, maker); All things (Heaven ,earth, Sea and all that in them is)