Obama administration won't defend law banning recognition of gay marriage

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With all do respect, isn't everybody over reacting saying this is the end of the world?

Gays being able to marry isn't going to harm anyone.

Marriage shouldn't even be under the law. It should be a private practice.
It is a religious sacriment and it should not be carried out under the law.

So really other than that, what is the problem?


With all do respect people aren't over reacting its just people expressing their opinions like you are too. Gay's being able to marry is actually hurting the human race, they aren't able to procreate.

Am I saying should gays are put on a higher level of sin than anyone else? NO, I don't condone sin, but I don't condemn them. Jesus died for them just as much as anyone else. Extreme religious churches focus on this problem and yet neglect gossip/slander. There is no difference, it took the blood of Jesus for both. It also says in Jame 2:10 - if you break 1 law you are guilty of them all. So without the blood of Jesus everyone is seen as a homosexual, murderer, adulterer....Sin shouldn't be preached against, its take the preaching of grace to over come sin.

FYI marriage is not under law, its a blood covenant between man and woman. God made it a blood covenant not just something a church can do. Its more than a piece of paper saying we are legally married, that works for the courts. For a marriage to be a blood covenant there is a shedding of blood. That's is the reason to stay a virgin until your wedding night because there is a shedding of blood making it a blood covenant. "He how has ears let him hear"
 
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Another thing for those of you who are condemning homosexuals, you need to read John 8:1-11 over and over and over and over again. Its takes a sinner to know that God doesn't condemn them until they can live right.

Was this woman guilty?? Yes, she was caught in the act. She was a married woman. There is no doubt she it guilty. But it takes the words of Jesus to enable her to go and sin no more. A person will continue in sin as long as they think they are condemned. Its takes a revelation to know that God doesn't condemn you before you can live right.

Right believing leads to right living.

Jesus didn't say to her go and sin no more and then I won't condemn you. So read it in context. Preach His grace, not the old law. Law is the strength of sin. I'm sure some don't believe me, but its true. Read 1Cor 15:56. Then read Rom 6:14.

I am trusting you actually go read these scriptures before you come back with a religiousized answer.
 
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Our Lord does not want sinners restored to the Law, He wants them restored to Him. People do not find Jesus though obeying the law...they obey the law after they find Jesus. We're off in how we're dealing with homosexuality in America.
 
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Things like this happen when Christians keep their faith inside the four walls of a building.

The fact is our actions are just as destructive as homosexual lifestyle.
When we don't work together it causes people to suffer and die.

Both waste money and time on things that please the flesh and ignore those in need.
Many blaming God as if it was His will.
 
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The thing that I think makes this more unacceptable is this:

Would ou allow your child to be taught in school that it is ok to steal, lie, whatever and would you put up with the government forcing you to teach your child it is ok to accept stealing, lies, whatever - this is what is happening with the homosexuality - we are being forced to accept that it is ok when the Bible tells us what is a sin and what is not.
 
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What do you guys think of the Westboro Baptist Church?

They are actively against homosexuality and make no bones about it.

They may be against homosexuality,
but the way they go about it and
the methods they employ are at least as bad
as the things they rail against,
not to mention fruitlessly without merit.

Groups like Westboro Baptist, by their foolish error,
end up making the case for the very things they scream
so loudly in protest of. But then, using satan to fight satan
has never produced anything but hypocrisy and reproach
upon the Gospel.
 
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The thing that I think makes this more unacceptable is this:

Would ou allow your child to be taught in school that it is ok to steal, lie, whatever and would you put up with the government forcing you to teach your child it is ok to accept stealing, lies, whatever - this is what is happening with the homosexuality - we are being forced to accept that it is ok when the Bible tells us what is a sin and what is not.
We are not being forced to accept anything (heart issue). We choose to obey God because we are His. We are however being forced to teach our children to walk in the ways of God, because the government is no longer going to that for us.
 
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With all do respect, isn't everybody over reacting saying this is the end of the world?

Gays being able to marry isn't going to harm anyone.

Marriage shouldn't even be under the law. It should be a private practice.
It is a religious sacriment and it should not be carried out under the law.

So really other than that, what is the problem?

:thumbsup:

I really think the gay marriage issue has become a red herring and a detriment to the Gospel for American Christians. We've become so focused on trying to control people's behavior and legislate morality that we've forgotten to just preach the Gospel and leave the world alone. We can't prevent sinners from sinning by passing laws.

IMHO, the government should never have been involved in deciding who may or may not get married in the first place.

If homosexuals want to get married, let them call themselves married. That doesn't mean we, Christians, have to recognize it as a valid marriage or perform ceremonies for them. Churches have always been free to refuse to marry people on moral grounds and they still will be.
 
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**I understand it is against the rules to debate homosexuality in this particular sub forum. As I understand it, the rule applies to the argument whether or not it is a sin to practice homosexuality. That point I have avoided voicing my opinion on completely. I hope that is sufficient to stay within the rules. If not, I apologize!**

It's not against the rules to discuss it here.

Christians have got "leave the world alone" part down pretty good.

Oh really? Then why are so many of them upset about Obama's stance?
 
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People, if you ignore the fact that the US is not enforcing their own laws and get caught up in the debate of homosexuality, you miss how the government has taken freedom in the name of a cause, whatever that cause. It's not about homosexuality, it's about a nation of laws.
 
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People, if you ignore the fact that the US is not enforcing their own laws and get caught up in the debate of homosexuality, you miss how the government has taken freedom in the name of a cause, whatever that cause. It's not about homosexuality, it's about a nation of laws.

No, I haven't missed that, Svt...

This is just the catalyst. I know Obama has a far more sinister agenda
than homosexuality. I have been saying I think this is an indicator
that we now need to start looking up and prepare for tough times ahead.
I do not think it even to be the will of GOD to plan any sort of civil
uprising at this point. Personally, I think God's judgment is about to occur and has already begun, but hey...
Feel free to disagree.
 
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The Bride is the most powerful force on Earth. We're in this world but not of it. Rise Up!! We can be light in the darkness. Start loving the unlovable. Forgiveness is something the world can't understand, do that. Do stuff in the world that is not of this world. Does a law stop us from that? no.
 
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The Bride is the most powerful force on Earth. We're in this world but not of it. Rise Up!! We can be light in the darkness. Start loving the unlovable. Forgiveness is something the world can't understand, do that. Do stuff in the world that is not of this world. Does a law stop us from that? no.

I agree, but shouldn't we already be doing this?
 
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I really think the gay marriage issue has become a red herring and a detriment to the Gospel for American Christians. We've become so focused on trying to control people's behavior and legislate morality that we've forgotten to just preach the Gospel and leave the world alone. We can't prevent sinners from sinning by passing laws.

IMHO, the government should never have been involved in deciding who may or may not get married in the first place.

If homosexuals want to get married, let them call themselves married. That doesn't mean we, Christians, have to recognize it as a valid marriage or perform ceremonies for them. Churches have always been free to refuse to marry people on moral grounds and they still will be.

:amen: I totally agree with you :thumbsup:
 
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We should be upset over the gay marriage BUT there are many things the church should be upset over, but it's not.

Sexual perversion should be against the law, it ruins lives, it ruins marriage, and it kills people.

Just because the law doesn't get someone to do the right thing, doesn't mean it shouldn't be law.
 
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This makes no sense.

It makes perfect sense.
What doesn't make sense is not making a law that is right, just because some people won't obey it.

Take sexual perversion, which includes things like inappropriate content, homosexuality, adultery, fornication.
These things have caused many families to be destroyed.
Men that have homosexual feelings, that decide not to act on those selfish feelings goes and has a family, but the temptation to stray is strong when he there are gay bars, and online homosexual inappropriate content, and other ways for gay men to meet.
If it was against the law, that man would have a better chance to resist those feelings.

Then they fall and sin, and now the family is ruined.
 
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No it doesn't.



Sunstone, it is my ardent prayer that one of these days you're actually going to read Colossians 2.

Read it again in Amplified version.

20If then you have died with Christ to material ways of looking at things and have escaped from the world's crude and elemental notions and teachings of externalism, why do you live as if you still belong to the world? [Why do you submit to rules and regulations?--such as]
21Do not handle [this], Do not taste [that], Do not even touch [them],
22Referring to things all of which perish with being used. To do this is to follow human precepts and doctrines.(A)
23Such [practices] have indeed the outward appearance [that popularly passes] for wisdom, in promoting self-imposed rigor of devotion and delight in self-humiliation and severity of discipline of the body, but they are of no value in checking the indulgence of the flesh (the lower nature). [Instead, they do not honor God but serve only to indulge the flesh.]


So explain to me your point.
 
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