Sin Cannot Stop God’s Grace! Self Righteousness via Works Can

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Romans 5:20
20Moreover the law entered that the offense might abound. But where sin abounded, grace abounded much more,
When a top executive is charged for corruption or a church minister is caught in the very act of adultery, you will probably hear the phrase “fallen from grace” being used of them. We have come to believe that when someone falls into sin, he falls from grace.

But God wants us to know that when someone falls into sin, he does not fall from grace — he actually falls into grace! Thank God His grace is there to put the person back on his feet.

The Bible tells of prostitutes (Luke 7:38-39) and corrupt tax collectors(Luke 19:5) — sinners (John 4:18)— who fell into God’s grace and got back on their feet. If the sin in their lives could stop God’s grace, they would never have been able to receive His grace of healing, help and power to live right.

Now, it is important you understand that God hates sin because it destroys our lives, relationships and bodies. Sin is evil! But sin is not overcome by us talking about it and relying on our willpower to overcome it. It takes God’s grace to destroy sin. In fact, it is when you are under His grace that sin has no dominion over you. (Romans 6:14) It is when you see His grace in providing His Son to put away your sins and make you eternally righteous that sin will not dominate you.

The devil will say to you, “You think that you can still expect God’s blessings after what you did this morning?” That is when you must remind yourself that Christ alone is your perfection and righteousness.(1 Cr 1:30) All of us have faults. None of us deserve God’s blessings. That is why we plead the grace of God, which is His unearned, unmerited and undeserved favor toward us.

To those who are worried about the Grace of our Lord being perverted then know that the Super Abounding Grace of our Lord has a 'safety valve' in which Jesus showed the the Pharisees (Law of Moses Teacher) that if one knows he/she is forgiven much, the same person will love Jesus much (Luke 7:41-48)

Sin does not and cannot stop God’s grace. If His grace can be cut off by sin, Jesus would never have come to save us because we were all terrible sinners. But praise God, “where sin abounded, grace abounded much more”!

However Grace (Unmerited/ Unearned/ Undeserved Favor of GOD) can't flow in one lives when one seeks Justification via Law or via self Works as the Holy Spirit had faithfully recorded that there were Pharisees and teachers of the law sitting by, who had come out of every town of Galilee, Judea, and Jerusalem. And the power of the Lord was present to heal them. (Luke 5:17) But unfortunately only 1 paralytic man was saved (Luke 5:18-20)

My friend, God’s grace is bigger, deeper, wider and more powerful than all the world’s sins put together. Receive His grace right now to walk in total victory over that weakness or evil habit in your life!
 
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You bring up a good subject that i I have always wondered about. Supposing the Church minister has an affair and leaves his wife and kids for his new woman. And because of his treachoury some young peoplle in the congregation decide to become atheists because they see Chhristians as hypocrits. Is the church minister still saved? If so why is he more deserving of being saved than some like Ghandi who was never a Christian?
 
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You bring up a good subject that i I have always wondered about. Supposing the Church minister has an affair and leaves his wife and kids for his new woman. And because of his treachoury some young peoplle in the congregation decide to become atheists because they see Chhristians as hypocrits. Is the church minister still saved? If so why is he more deserving of being saved than some like Ghandi who was never a Christian?

Well the first issue would be to say that the minister didn't deserve to be saved in the first place. None of us do. That's why it's called unmerited favor, a gift that can never be worked for or towards, only given. We need mercy and grace, because salvation is obtainable by no other means for us.
 
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Well the first issue would be to say that the minister didn't deserve to be saved in the first place. None of us do. That's why it's called unmerited favor, a gift that can never be worked for or towards, only given. We need mercy and grace, because salvation is obtainable by no other means for us.

:clap: can see that more & more christians are rising up to take their Rightful place
 
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I see that Christians are also doing whatever they want to do and saying that now they live by grace. That is not a correct thinking either. We must live just and right before God.
God loves us, but he hates the sins that we give to. God says in his word that he will become our enemy if we do not obey him.
So it is a constant surrender to God, and receiving his grace on a daily basis.
 
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I see that Christians are also doing whatever they want to do and saying that now they live by grace. That is not a correct thinking either. We must live just and right before God.
God loves us, but he hates the sins that we give to. God says in his word that he will become our enemy if we do not obey him.
So it is a constant surrender to God, and receiving his grace on a daily basis.
Isaiah 54:10
10 Though the mountains be shaken
and the hills be removed,
yet my unfailing love for you will not be shaken
nor my covenant of peace be removed,”
says the LORD, who has compassion on you.
 
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Isaiah 54:10
10 Though the mountains be shaken
and the hills be removed,
yet my unfailing love for you will not be shaken
nor my covenant of peace be removed,”
says the LORD, who has compassion on you.

I Samuel 28:16 -18 "Samuel said, Why then do you ask me, seeing that the Lord has turned from you and has become your enemy? The Lord has done to you as He said through me He would do; for [He] has torn the kingdom out of your hands and given it to your neighbor David. 18 Because you did not obey the voice of the Lord or execute His fierce wrath upon Amalek, therefore the Lord has done this thing to you this day."

Because you did not obey the voice of the Lord, God Himself became Saul's enemy. I don't take this lightly, if God did it to Saul, what hinders Him to do it to me? You constantly give to willful sin, God will turn you away and become your enemy.
 
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I Samuel 28:16 -18 "Samuel said, Why then do you ask me, seeing that the Lord has turned from you and has become your enemy? The Lord has done to you as He said through me He would do; for [He] has torn the kingdom out of your hands and given it to your neighbor David. 18 Because you did not obey the voice of the Lord or execute His fierce wrath upon Amalek, therefore the Lord has done this thing to you this day."

Because you did not obey the voice of the Lord, God Himself became Saul's enemy. I don't take this lightly, if God did it to Saul, what hinders Him to do it to me? You constantly give to willful sin, God will turn you away and become your enemy.

My guess is that Saul was not covered in the Blood of Jesus. (I could be very doctrinally wrong here, btw.) He was an Isrealite, true. One of God's children, yes. But did Saul have faith? The Pharisees were also from the lineage of Abraham. But did most of them have faith? No. Just because you're born a Jew, doesn't mean you have faith.

I think Saul, like so many people in the Old Testament, was given the Spirit for a time, until God saw that no faith came from Saul. Turn the tables around, and those who had faith, like David, could show his weaknesses and sin as a result, exactly like Saul, except Saul sinned without grace (if he was acting self sufficiently). It's impossible to please God without faith. So when God saw no faith, He became as an enemy to him. Saul, since he didn't know where to turn, since he didn't trust God, killed himself. It's very sad, and if Saul had once had faith in his life, I'm hopeful that the wages of his sin, death, didn't affect his salvation.
 
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I'm thinking that Saul was not covered in the Blood of Jesus. He was an Isrealite, true. One of God's children, yes. But did Saul have faith? The Pharisees were also from the lineage of Abraham. But did most of them have faith? No. Just because you're born a Jew, doesn't mean faith cannot be there.

I thing Saul, like so many people in the Old Testament, was given the Spirit for a time, until God saw that no faith comes from that person. Turn the tables around, and those who had faith, like David, could show his weaknesses and sin as a result, exactly like Saul, except Saul sinned without grace. It's impossible to please God without faith. So when God saw no faith, He became as an enemy to him. Saul, since he didn't know where to turn, since he didn't trust God, killed himself.


Jesus had not yet been sacrificed so I dont see how saul could have been covered in his blood anyway. Also faith is a gift from God is it not? if saul had no faith then i guess its because it was never granted to him in the first place, though I may be wrong on that.
 
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Jesus had not yet been sacrificed so I dont see how saul could have been covered in his blood anyway. Also faith is a gift from God is it not? if saul had no faith then i guess its because it was never granted to him in the first place, though I may be wrong on that.

The faith of the OT was looking ahead to a time when Jesus, the Messiah, would come. Moses, David, and the prophets spoke of Jesus. Faith in God, OT or NT, points right to Jesus. So when I said I thought Saul wasn't covered in the blood of Christ, I meant to say Saul wasn't filled with faith looking humbly toward the time when a Savior would appear, which means he was self sufficient, and God only gives grace to the humble, not the proud. Faith was of the Jews. The Jews were taught the oracles of God, and should have heard God's story of Christ in between the lines. Even in Genesis with God saying he would send a Savior to "crush the serpent's head", Abraham looked at this and had faith in God (once he got to know God). God said Abraham was righteous because of his faith. Saul may not have been righteous because although he knew the oracles of God (the first 5 books), I just think he didn't want to believe God's prediction of a Messaih because he was so self sufficient.

I may be way off here, and maybe Saul had faith. But it sounds a lot like Pharoah and Judas. Just my take.
 
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The faith of the OT was looking ahead to a time when Jesus, the Messaih, would come. Moses spoke of Jesus, David, and the prophets. Faith in God, OT or NT, points right to Jesus. So when I said I thought Saul wasn't covered in the blood of Christ, I meant to say Saul wasn't filled with faith to the time when a Savior would appear, which means he was self sufficient, and God only gives grace to the humble, not the proud. Faith was of the Jews. The Jews were taught the oracles of God, and should have heard God's story of Christ in between the lines. Even in Genesis with God saying he would send a Savior to "crush the serpent's head", Abraham looked at this and had faith in God (once he got to know God). God said Abraham was righteous because of his faith. Saul was not righteous because although he knew the oracles of God (the first 5 books), I just think he didn't want to believe God's prediction of a Messaih because he was so self sufficient.


I may be way off here, and maybe Saul had faith. But it sounds a lot like Pharoah and Judas. Just my take.


Thanks, that does make sense.
 
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The faith of the OT was looking ahead to a time when Jesus, the Messaih, would come. Moses spoke of Jesus, David, and the prophets. Faith in God, OT or NT, points right to Jesus. So when I said I thought Saul wasn't covered in the blood of Christ, I meant to say Saul wasn't filled with faith to the time when a Savior would appear, which means he was self sufficient, and God only gives grace to the humble, not the proud. Faith was of the Jews. The Jews were taught the oracles of God, and should have heard God's story of Christ in between the lines. Even in Genesis with God saying he would send a Savior to "crush the serpent's head", Abraham looked at this and had faith in God (once he got to know God). God said Abraham was righteous because of his faith. Saul was not righteous because although he knew the oracles of God (the first 5 books), I just think he didn't want to believe God's prediction of a Messaih because he was so self sufficient.

I may be way off here, and maybe Saul had faith. But it sounds a lot like Pharoah and Judas. Just my take.

I'm going to take back my assumption about Saul, whether he was saved or not, whether or not he had faith. I don't know. I think, I reason, and I come back and re-reason. I don't want to claim something that isn't true. These guesses of mine may be so wrong, I've got the whole thing upside down. Sorry, I'll try to do better job at not essaying what I'm not convicted 100% on. "Anything done in doubt is sin."
 
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Previous reply was quick reply to the question of whether the minister who sinned was saved because young people left the church due to hypocrisy.

The issue is easy. We cannot continue to practice sin (1 Cor. 6:9, Galatians 5:21). A born again believer will never be able to continue practicing sin. The Father will chastise them and the Holy Spirit will convict them. If someone can continue in sin without remorse or repentance then it is very possible that the person has not been born again. Now by continue I make the claim that Christians sin, but do not make it a habitual practice. If a person can habitually live according to the lusts of his/her flesh without respect to God then I personally question that persons salvation (1 John).

Because a born again person has entered into the love of God. Love does not rejoice in inquity, but rejoices in the truth. Where sin = self love and not God love. Where love = self denial and God love. If you are in sin and trust me this includes the sin of the mind, you must repent and come out of this world now. The time is at hand, there is not much time left, Jesus is coming for His bride and now is not the time to have one foot in the world. Make no provision for the flesh or its lusts. Those of us who are born again, and know the love of God, hate the sin we commit, and groan for the final redemption of our bodies. Those who want to cover the self-life in grace have not understood grace, nor do they know the love of God. Jesus loves the sinner and came to seek and save the lost. That's the whole world for all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. However Jesus did not die on the cross to leave us powerless to continue living according to the flesh. The blood of the Lamb not only cleanses us from all sin it breaks the bondage of the wicked slave master Satan and the bondage of our flesh. We are no longer slaves to sin but whom the Son sets free is free indeed.
 
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Romans 5:20
20Moreover the law entered that the offense might abound. But where sin abounded, grace abounded much more,
When a top executive is charged for corruption or a church minister is caught in the very act of adultery, you will probably hear the phrase “fallen from grace” being used of them. We have come to believe that when someone falls into sin, he falls from grace.

But God wants us to know that when someone falls into sin, he does not fall from grace — he actually falls into grace! Thank God His grace is there to put the person back on his feet.

The Bible tells of prostitutes (Luke 7:38-39) and corrupt tax collectors(Luke 19:5) — sinners (John 4:18)— who fell into God’s grace and got back on their feet. If the sin in their lives could stop God’s grace, they would never have been able to receive His grace of healing, help and power to live right.

Now, it is important you understand that God hates sin because it destroys our lives, relationships and bodies. Sin is evil! But sin is not overcome by us talking about it and relying on our willpower to overcome it. It takes God’s grace to destroy sin. In fact, it is when you are under His grace that sin has no dominion over you. (Romans 6:14) It is when you see His grace in providing His Son to put away your sins and make you eternally righteous that sin will not dominate you.

The devil will say to you, “You think that you can still expect God’s blessings after what you did this morning?” That is when you must remind yourself that Christ alone is your perfection and righteousness.(1 Cr 1:30) All of us have faults. None of us deserve God’s blessings. That is why we plead the grace of God, which is His unearned, unmerited and undeserved favor toward us.

To those who are worried about the Grace of our Lord being perverted then know that the Super Abounding Grace of our Lord has a 'safety valve' in which Jesus showed the the Pharisees (Law of Moses Teacher) that if one knows he/she is forgiven much, the same person will love Jesus much (Luke 7:41-48)

Sin does not and cannot stop God’s grace. If His grace can be cut off by sin, Jesus would never have come to save us because we were all terrible sinners. But praise God, “where sin abounded, grace abounded much more”!

However Grace (Unmerited/ Unearned/ Undeserved Favor of GOD) can't flow in one lives when one seeks Justification via Law or via self Works as the Holy Spirit had faithfully recorded that there were Pharisees and teachers of the law sitting by, who had come out of every town of Galilee, Judea, and Jerusalem. And the power of the Lord was present to heal them. (Luke 5:17) But unfortunately only 1 paralytic man was saved (Luke 5:18-20)

My friend, God’s grace is bigger, deeper, wider and more powerful than all the world’s sins put together. Receive His grace right now to walk in total victory over that weakness or evil habit in your life!
Greetings Gideon Army!

I have not been on the Forum in quite some time. I am blessed to see you are still sowing the Word in these wonderful postings.

Shalom!
Marsh
 
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