God's free will
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Philothei
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God forknows.. what will happen, had happed and happens at this moment ..God is above time...space or any restriction...our limited minds cannot comprehend ...So He can condusend to send to us his beloved son as a Man then He can also consuscent to allow us to freely chose Him
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God forknows.. what will happen, had happed and happens at this moment ..God is above time...space or any restriction...our limited minds cannot comprehend ...So He can condusend to send to us his beloved son as a Man then He can also consuscent to allow us to freely chose Him
And you have learned this where? God is not a space man present to all time at the same time.. God created time for men and God works within our time..
So one more time..If God foresees a free will choice of a man, and it is against His will can he change it?
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I would almost dare say your question is loaded as to be fallacious, but instead I'll just answer.
Everything that God foreknows of will happen no matter what. So if God foreknows that some man will commit a murder it must be that the man will murder. Nothing other than the man murdering can happen. Is this to say that God cannot prevent anything against His will? No, it just means not everything.
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If God let man have free will and at the same time can forsee what man will actually do why would God want to "change" anything? He is the one who granted free will in man
God is again above our free will as He is God. Our free will does not negate his ability to God "superior" in any sense because God and ONLY God can at the same time forsee and fortell still intervene in our lives extending his loving hand for us in ALL facets in our lives. The Ancient Greeks used to have a name for it...
"God ex machino". (I think that is the latin name could be wrong though) There we see that in cetain circumstances God reveals to us pathways we CAN take and He gently shows us that "when a door shuts" a "window opens" type of revelation. What I think is that God sents everymoment such manifestations we just are too wraped up in our own little world to notice and let them pass us by
God is again above our free will as He is God. Our free will does not negate his ability to God "superior" in any sense because God and ONLY God can at the same time forsee and fortell still intervene in our lives extending his loving hand for us in ALL facets in our lives. The Ancient Greeks used to have a name for it...
"God ex machino". (I think that is the latin name could be wrong though) There we see that in cetain circumstances God reveals to us pathways we CAN take and He gently shows us that "when a door shuts" a "window opens" type of revelation. What I think is that God sents everymoment such manifestations we just are too wraped up in our own little world to notice and let them pass us by
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I believe for something to be ordained God's interaction must abide. So in the things that God is not present in, the occurrences were simply going to happen anyway. Thus inaction is only confirmation for the occurrence to not be willed or ordained by God.
In essence, allowing something to happen does not necessarily equate to willing or wanting that thing to happen. That is not, "by definition."
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So you believe that God's sovereignty only extends to certain actions?
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Since the fall of man GOD made mankind,and all creation subject to vanity from mankinds "perceptions" of the things! According to the natural laws of cause,and effect through the reality of sin! Which seems to be a life that always ends in death,without any True purpose ,and Reason Behind our existance!! This being the true reality of things outside of the Realm of Christ Where Everything,and All of GOD'S people throughout the entire His-Story of His world Has Been Perfectly Ordained,Predestined,Planned,Called,Chosen,Elected,Providence,Soveriengnty Where God Is Causing All things to work together for All of His people's Good who are in and of His Body Christ!! For this is the reality outside of Christ which GOD is Absolutely still Soveriegn Over,but from mans perspective in seems as this:Genesis 3:17-19 (KJV) Ge 17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;
18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;
19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
Ecclesiastes 1:2 (KJV) Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher, vanity of vanities; all is vanity.
Ecclesiastes 1:4-8 (KJV) Ecc 4 One generation passeth away, and another generation cometh: but the earth abideth for ever.
5 The sun also ariseth, and the sun goeth down, and hasteth to his place where he arose.
6 The wind goeth toward the south, and turneth about unto the north; it whirleth about continually, and the wind returneth again according to his circuits.
7 All the rivers run into the sea; yet the sea is not full; unto the place from whence the rivers come, thither they return again.
8 All things are full of labour; man cannot utter it: the eye is not satisfied with seeing, nor the ear filled with hearing.
Ecclesiastes 1:14-15 (KJV) Ecc 14 I have seen all the works that are done under the sun; and, behold, all is vanity and vexation of spirit.
15 That which is crooked cannot be made straight: and that which is wanting cannot be numbered.
Ecclesiastes 2:11 (KJV) Then I looked on all the works that my hands had wrought, and on the labour that I had laboured to do: and, behold, all was vanity and vexation of spirit, and there was no profit under the sun.
Ecclesiastes 2:15-17 (KJV) Ecc 15 Then said I in my heart, As it happeneth to the fool, so it happeneth even to me; and why was I then more wise? Then I said in my heart, that this also is vanity.
16 For there is no remembrance of the wise more than of the fool for ever; seeing that which now is in the days to come shall all be forgotten. And how dieth the wise man? as the fool.
17Therefore I hated life; because the work that is wrought under the sun is grievous unto me: for all is vanity and vexation of spirit.
Romans 8:19-23 (KJV) Ro 19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God. 20For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope, 21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. 22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now. 23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
This is just some of the revelation! I'll post the Glorious Reality of The Eternal Purpose,The Only Purpose, Which GOD The Father Purposed In GOD The Son Before the Foundation of the world,and Actuates,and brings it too pass,and seals it done By GOD The Holy Spirit! Later on...
18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;
19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
Ecclesiastes 1:2 (KJV) Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher, vanity of vanities; all is vanity.
Ecclesiastes 1:4-8 (KJV) Ecc 4 One generation passeth away, and another generation cometh: but the earth abideth for ever.
5 The sun also ariseth, and the sun goeth down, and hasteth to his place where he arose.
6 The wind goeth toward the south, and turneth about unto the north; it whirleth about continually, and the wind returneth again according to his circuits.
7 All the rivers run into the sea; yet the sea is not full; unto the place from whence the rivers come, thither they return again.
8 All things are full of labour; man cannot utter it: the eye is not satisfied with seeing, nor the ear filled with hearing.
Ecclesiastes 1:14-15 (KJV) Ecc 14 I have seen all the works that are done under the sun; and, behold, all is vanity and vexation of spirit.
15 That which is crooked cannot be made straight: and that which is wanting cannot be numbered.
Ecclesiastes 2:11 (KJV) Then I looked on all the works that my hands had wrought, and on the labour that I had laboured to do: and, behold, all was vanity and vexation of spirit, and there was no profit under the sun.
Ecclesiastes 2:15-17 (KJV) Ecc 15 Then said I in my heart, As it happeneth to the fool, so it happeneth even to me; and why was I then more wise? Then I said in my heart, that this also is vanity.
16 For there is no remembrance of the wise more than of the fool for ever; seeing that which now is in the days to come shall all be forgotten. And how dieth the wise man? as the fool.
17Therefore I hated life; because the work that is wrought under the sun is grievous unto me: for all is vanity and vexation of spirit.
Romans 8:19-23 (KJV) Ro 19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God. 20For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope, 21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. 22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now. 23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
This is just some of the revelation! I'll post the Glorious Reality of The Eternal Purpose,The Only Purpose, Which GOD The Father Purposed In GOD The Son Before the Foundation of the world,and Actuates,and brings it too pass,and seals it done By GOD The Holy Spirit! Later on...
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