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I'll likely not be posting on the forums anymore since I've been the object of a personal attack on this forum. As much as it's been nice sharing with you guys and getting opinions different from my own, I guess it's better that I leave the fellowship to you and see my self to the door -- to Jewish forums.

Best wishes.

YM
 
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We were chatting on these forums before they became "Christian and Messianic Only". I'm sorry to think that they've disintegrated so completely. This used to be a place of open debate. I was here then. The rules changed under me. I didn't change under the rules. The result is that Jews who do not believe in Jesus are not welcome here, nor are those who would correct the many mistakes in the claims made here.

My interest was in correcting mistakes and offering what is generally taken to be the scholarly consensus on several issues that do not get thoroughly treated on this forum. I'm sorry to be leaving, since I actually think I've done well on this forum - in what I've been able to give and take with the other members. It's a pity that angry people show up late in the game and destroy the atmosphere.
 
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Hi Yonah,

I'm taking a sabbatical from this forum but keeping a watch on some threads. I shall truly miss your insights and the challenge you bring to us if you leave. I do not always agree with your answers but I do appreciate the debate and the logic you follow, as well as the teaching you bring us in the Hebrew and Greek languages.

I have never found any areas where you have been offensive to anything I have written, even though we have had some serious debates, and so I find this all very stressing. As far as I am concerned I enjoy having fellow academics on this forum - please think again, and stay.
 
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I have never found any areas where you have been offensive to anything I have written, even though we have had some serious debates, and so I find this all very stressing. As far as I am concerned I enjoy having fellow academics on this forum - please think again, and stay.

That's the thing, Heber. When you and I ran into each other, we butted heads at first. Do you remember? I support your right to your ministry, to believe and teach as your faith instructs you - and to have those who willingly and consciously choose that faith to worship with you. That's very different from what missionaries to the Jews push, you know? Of course I have opposed missionary activities! I think it's a despicable job generally.

It's been great for me to have you here. I've learned a lot from you and ContraMundum as well. I'm happy to have made some friends who are worthwhile on this forum - and we all come from different perspectives. I'm going to be sad to break the communication.

But it seems that this is a necessary step. I don't take kindly to being personally attacked and my motives called into question. Those who have had the patience to deal with my anal obsessiveness (I'll admit that I'm a stickler for details) have come to see that I'm sincere in my dealings and try to take the path of honesty in all of my dealings here. I'm glad that you were patient enough to get past my apparent abrasiveness, and I appreciate your friendship on this forum.

Take care and good luck in whatever comes your way in terms of your future.

YM

P.S. The way that you have treated me, Heber, is a great example of how a Christian should behave if they follow the teachings of their religion. Thanks for your respect and good-heartedness.
 
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Your debate has been with integrity. Your knowledge of the language invaluable and your understanding as an Israeli Jew needed.

Thank you, AniSavta. I appreciate it.
 
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Yonah,
I'm just now seeing this. You know how I feel. I'm sorry I couldn't have been of more help.
This place would just be downright boring if we all agreed on everything.
Keep in touch.

Definitely, on all counts. Thanks a lot.
 
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Personally I like the diverse conversations, I see them as something to be learned. You know, there is a Non-Christian forum here at CF.

The problem is that I enjoy interacting regarding Torah, not debating with atheists.
 
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I'll likely not be posting on the forums anymore since I've been the object of a personal attack on this forum. As much as it's been nice sharing with you guys and getting opinions different from my own, I guess it's better that I leave the fellowship to you and see my self to the door -- to Jewish forums.

Best wishes.

YM
Greetings and Shalom dear friend.
Please keep in touch with me, as you and ChavaK have been a blessing to me on here.

I am sorry to hear how things worked out for you here and I wish you nothing but the best. :wave: :groupray:
God bless
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That's the thing, Heber. When you and I ran into each other, we butted heads at first. Do you remember? I support your right to your ministry, to believe and teach as your faith instructs you - and to have those who willingly and consciously choose that faith to worship with you. That's very different from what missionaries to the Jews push, you know? Of course I have opposed missionary activities! I think it's a despicable job generally.

It's been great for me to have you here. I've learned a lot from you and ContraMundum as well. I'm happy to have made some friends who are worthwhile on this forum - and we all come from different perspectives. I'm going to be sad to break the communication.

But it seems that this is a necessary step. I don't take kindly to being personally attacked and my motives called into question. Those who have had the patience to deal with my anal obsessiveness (I'll admit that I'm a stickler for details) have come to see that I'm sincere in my dealings and try to take the path of honesty in all of my dealings here. I'm glad that you were patient enough to get past my apparent abrasiveness, and I appreciate your friendship on this forum.

Take care and good luck in whatever comes your way in terms of your future.

YM

P.S. The way that you have treated me, Heber, is a great example of how a Christian should behave if they follow the teachings of their religion. Thanks for your respect and good-heartedness.

Yes, I do :) and thank you for your kind words.

I am keen to get all Jews to see that which I hold as truth in regard to Yeshua, and to debate the matter(s) with academic integrity on both sides (and so I cope with fools who come on here, quite badly I'm afraid).

I have great objections to the idea of the conversion of a Jew, because conversion means to turn from anything and everything of one religion and to totally replace it with another religion. Since it is impossible to convert from Judaism to Messianic Judaism or from Judaism to Messianic Judaism to Christianity, the whole concept becomes, in effect, nothing more that a rather elaborate con. This is NOT what the Messianic Movement is all about in my opinion and I can see no reason, theologically or scripturally, to warrant such an idea, whoever holds it; I stand firmly against all those who seek conversion in these ways.

For me, what we are meant to be about is learning, with integrity, the differences that exist between what I believe and what another believes, with the aim that, through honest debate, we can draw our beliefs together, finding places where we agree and some where we do not agree. Within the friendship and respect that pathway builds up, we can find that G_d will do amazing things in both hearts so that, together, we might dare to dig even deeper and find that simple commonality of our faith that so many lose sight of here in their haste to browbeat and convert.

'Convert', or its derivatives, should be banned words on these fora.
 
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Yes, I do :) and thank you for your kind words.

I am keen to get all Jews to see that which I hold as truth in regard to Yeshua, and to debate the matter(s) with academic integrity on both sides (and so I cope with fools who come on here, quite badly I'm afraid).

I have great objections to the idea of the conversion of a Jew, because conversion means to turn from anything and everything of one religion and to totally replace it with another religion. Since it is impossible to convert from Judaism to Messianic Judaism or from Judaism to Messianic Judaism to Christianity, the whole concept becomes, in effect, nothing more that a rather elaborate con. This is NOT what the Messianic Movement is all about in my opinion and I can see no reason, theologically or scripturally, to warrant such an idea, whoever holds it; I stand firmly against all those who seek conversion in these ways.

For me, what we are meant to be about is learning, with integrity, the differences that exist between what I believe and what another believes, with the aim that, through honest debate, we can draw our beliefs together, finding places where we agree and some where we do not agree. Within the friendship and respect that pathway builds up, we can find that G_d will do amazing things in both hearts so that, together, we might dare to dig even deeper and find that simple commonality of our faith that so many lose sight of here in their haste to browbeat and convert.

'Convert', or its derivatives, should be banned words on these fora.


What he said!! Amen!!
 
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We were chatting on these forums before they became "Christian and Messianic Only". I'm sorry to think that they've disintegrated so completely. This used to be a place of open debate. I was here then. The rules changed under me. I didn't change under the rules. The result is that Jews who do not believe in Jesus are not welcome here, nor are those who would correct the many mistakes in the claims made here.

My interest was in correcting mistakes and offering what is generally taken to be the scholarly consensus on several issues that do not get thoroughly treated on this forum. I'm sorry to be leaving, since I actually think I've done well on this forum - in what I've been able to give and take with the other members. It's a pity that angry people show up late in the game and destroy the atmosphere.

I am sorry to see you leave as well. I, too, remember the days when open and honest discussions could be had. I learned a lot from several people here and made some good friends. It was fun to share and learn from different viewpoints and opinions.

It is sad to see what it has all come to, especially since it appears that most regulars in the Messianic forum enjoy such interaction. Too bad that sometimes a good thing can be ruined by one person. :(
 
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Yonah, I think you can see the consensus of the forum members here. Why let one disgruntled person with nothing better to do run you off?

I too appreciate your posts, I don't always understand them, but you provide good grammatical info to the subject at hand and I see nothing wrong with that. :)
 
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I agree, as I look forward to reading the Jewish perspective, the language and historical understanding Yonah has brought here is invaluable.

How do you send a message to 'member services center?' Are they on the landing page? Thank you.

Yes, the home page, 2nd Blue Bar down Member Assistance and Forum Features, then 2nd forum down Member Assistance to 3rd subforum over Member Services Center.
Don't worry that you don't see any threads, only your own will be visible to you.
 
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Yonah, I think you can see the consensus of the forum members here. Why let one disgruntled person with nothing better to do run you off?

I too appreciate your posts, I don't always understand them, but you provide good grammatical info to the subject at hand and I see nothing wrong with that. :)
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Many of us would not be here if we let one person affect us:D

You share a great deal of unique information, especially in biblical language. I don't find you offensive at all; your exit here would be not be welcomed.
Perhaps I just missed it, but what disgruntled person is being talked about :confused:
 
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I just read throught the whole thread and didn't see anything amiss either
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Why wouldn't a Jew be welcome? I'm a Jew and it was by meeting a Christian that I recognized and entered the Kingdom of God with Jesus as our long awaited Messiah fulfilled! It can only bring Blessings for Jews to meet with Christians from my experience. I'd hate to see one leave without those blessings...
 
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