Do you believe Jesus is God?

Alive_Again said:

"Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light: Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of His dear Son: In Whom we have redemption through His blood, even the forgiveness of sins: Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by Him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by Him, and for Him: And He is before all things, and by Him all things consist. And He is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things He might have the preeminence. For it pleased the Father that in Him should all fulness dwell;" Col 1:12-19

"For in Him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily."
Col 2:8-9

"Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ; And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:"
Eph 3:8-9

“Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator.”
1 Peter 4:19

“But we have renounced the hidden things of shame, not walking in craftiness nor handling the Word of God deceitfully, but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God. But even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing, whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them.”
2 Cor 4:2-4

"God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by His Son, Whom He hath appointed heir of all things, by Whom also He made the worlds; Who being the brightness of His glory, and the express image of His person, and upholding all things by the word of His power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;"
Heb 1:1-3

“ That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, concerning the Word of life-- the life was manifested, and we have seen, and bear witness, and declare to you that eternal life which was with the Father and was manifested to us-- that which we have seen and heard we declare to you, that you also may have fellowship with us; and truly our fellowship is with the Father and with His Son Jesus Christ. And these things we write to you that your joy may be full.”
1 John 1:1-4

“God that made the world and all things therein , seeing that He is Lord of Heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;”
Acts 17:24

“He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him.”
John 1:10-11

"But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall He come forth unto Me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting."
Micah 5:2

“And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call His name JESUS: for He shall save His people from their sins. Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call His name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.”
Matt 1:20-23

“Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I am He, you will die in your sins.” Then they said to Him, “Who are You?” And Jesus said to them, “Just what I have been saying to you from the beginning” (John 8:23-25).

“Jesus therefore, knowing all things that would come upon Him, went forward and said to them, ‘Whom are you seeking?’ They answered Him, ‘Jesus of Nazareth.’ Jesus said to them, ‘I am He.’ And Judas, who betrayed Him, also stood with them. Now when He said to them, ‘I am He,’ they drew back and fell to the ground. Then He asked them again, ‘Whom are you seeking?’ And they said, ‘Jesus of Nazareth.’ Jesus answered, ‘I have told you that I am He.’”
John 18:4-8

"And there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved."
Acts 4:12

“Yet I am the Lord thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but Me: for there is no saviour beside Me.”
Hosea 13:4

"Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the Lord? and there is no God else beside Me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside Me. Look unto Me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else. I have sworn by Myself, the Word is gone out of My mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto Me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear."
Isaiah 45:21-23

"for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to Me, and every tongue shall confess to God."
Romans 14:10-11

"No one is holy like the Lord, For there is none besides You, Nor is there any rock like our God."
1 Sam 2:2

“Because I will publish the name of the Lord: ascribe ye greatness unto our God. He is the Rock, His work is perfect: for all His ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is He.”
Deut 32:3-4

"...for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ."
1 Cor 10:4

"Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with Whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning."
James 1:17

"For I am the Lord, I change not; "
Mal 3:6

"Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever."
Heb 13:8

"Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel, and His redeemer the Lord of Hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside Me there is no God."
Isaiah 44:5-6

“Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the Lord, the first, and with the last; I am He.”
Isaiah 41:4

"And, behold, I come quickly; and My reward is with Me, to give every man according as his work shall be. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last."
Rev 22:12-13

"And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead. And He laid His right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: I am He that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death."
Rev 1:17-18

"I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty."
Rev 1:8

“And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.
Rev 4:8-11

"For My own sake, for My own sake, I will do it; For how should My name be profaned? And I will not give My glory to another. "Listen to Me, O Jacob, And Israel, My called: I am He, I am the First, I am also the Last. Indeed My hand has laid the foundation of the earth, And My right hand has stretched out the heavens; When I call to them, They stand up together."
Isaiah 48:11-13

“And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.”
John 17:4-5

“Father, I desire that they also Whom You gave Me may be with Me where I am, that they may behold My glory which You have given Me; for You loved Me before the foundation of the world.”
John 17:23-24

“And they brought the colt to Jesus, and cast their garments on Him; and he sat upon Him. And many spread their garments in the way: and others cut down branches off the trees, and strawed them in the way. And they that went before, and they that followed, cried, saying, Hosanna; Blessed is He that cometh in the name of the Lord: Blessed be the kingdom of our father David, that cometh in the name of the Lord: Hosanna in the highest.”
Mark 11:7-10

"Who is this King of glory? The Lord strong and mighty, The Lord mighty in battle. Lift up your heads, O you gates! Lift up, you everlasting doors! And the King of glory shall come in. Who is this King of glory? The Lord of hosts, He is the King of glory."
Psalms 24:8-10

“The next day a great multitude that had come to the feast, when they heard that Jesus was coming to Jerusalem, took branches of palm trees and went out to meet Him, and cried out: "Hosanna!’ Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!' The King of Israel!" Then Jesus, when He had found a young donkey, sat on it; as it is written: "Fear not, daughter of Zion; Behold, your King is coming, Sitting on a donkey's colt."
John 12:12-15

“And, behold, the glory of the God of Israel came from the way of the east: and His voice was like a noise of many waters: and the earth shined with His glory.
Ezek 43:2

“And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle. His head and His hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and His eyes were as a flame of fire; And His feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and His voice as the sound of many waters. And He had in His right hand seven stars: and out of His mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and His countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength. And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead. And He laid His right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: , and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.”
Rev 1:13-18

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If you know what's good for you then you won't swing pearls before swine (Matt.7:6)

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TEMPLES OF THE HOLY GHOST - THE SPIRIT OF HIS SON

"In Whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit."
Eph 2:22

"And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of His Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father. Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ."
Gal 4:6-7

"Behold My servant, Whom I uphold; Mine elect, in Whom My soul delighteth; I have put My Spirit upon Him: He shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles."
Isaiah 42:1

"for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people."
2 Cor 6:16

“To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory“
Col 1:27

"But if I do, though ye believe not Me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in Me, and I in Him."
John 10:38

“Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? The Words that I speak unto you I speak not of Myself: but the Father that dwelleth in Me, He doeth the works.”
John 14:10

"These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you. But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, Whom the Father will send in My name, He shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you."
John 14:25-26

“If ye love Me, keep My commandments. And I will pray the Father, and He shall give you another Comforter, that He may abide with you for ever; Even the Spirit of truth; Whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth Him not, neither knoweth Him: but ye know Him; for He dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you. Yet a little while, and the world seeth Me no more; but ye see Me: because I live, ye shall live also. At that day ye shall know that I am in My Father, and ye in Me, and I in you. He that hath My commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth Me: and he that loveth Me shall be loved of My Father, and I will love Him, and will manifest Myself to Him.
John 14:15-21

"So Jesus said to them again, "Peace to you! As the Father has sent Me, I also send you." And when He had said this, He breathed on them, and said to them, "Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained."
John 20:21-23


“But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be witnesses to Me in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth."
Acts 1:8


"I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but He that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: He shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire: Whose fan is in His hand, and He will throughly purge His floor, and gather His wheat into the garner; but He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire."
Matt 3:11-12

“When the Day of Pentecost had fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. And suddenly there came a sound from heaven, as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled the whole house where they were sitting. Then there appeared to them divided tongues, as of fire, and one sat upon each of them. And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance."
Acts 2:1-4


"The Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. And He that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because He maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God."
Romans 8:26-27

"And grieve not the Holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption."
Eph 4:30


“And we are His witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, Whom God hath given to them that obey Him.”
Acts 5:32

"But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land? Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? Thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.
Acts 5:3-4

"As they ministered to the Lord, and fasted, the Holy Ghost said, Separate Me Barnabas and Saul for the work whereunto I have called them."
Acts 13:2

"And there was delivered unto Him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when He had opened the book, He found the place where it was written, The Spirit of the Lord is upon Me, because He hath anointed Me to preach the gospel to the poor;"
Luke 4:17-18


"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters."
Gen 1:1-2

“ By his spirit He hath garnished the heavens; His hand hath formed the crooked serpent.”
Job 26:13

HOW GOD SPEAKS

"I have many things to say and to judge of you: but He that sent Me is true; and I speak to the world those things which I have heard of Him. They understood not that He spake to them of the Father. Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am He, and that I do nothing of Myself; but as My Father hath taught Me, I speak these things.”
John 8:26-28

"I speak that which I have seen with My Father:"
John 8:38

“Howbeit when He, the Spirit of truth, is come, He will guide you into all truth: for He shall not speak of Himself; but whatsoever He shall hear, that shall He speak:”
John 16:13

“He shall glorify Me: for He shall receive of Mine, and shall shew it unto you.”
John 16:14

"For I have not spoken of Myself; but the Father which sent Me, He gave Me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto Me, so I speak."
John 12:49-50

"And when they bring you unto the synagogues, and unto magistrates, and powers, take ye no thought how or what thing ye shall answer, or what ye shall say: For the Holy Ghost shall teach you in the same hour what ye ought to say."
Luke 12:11-12

“Settle it therefore in your hearts, not to meditate before what ye shall answer: For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist.”
Luke 21:14-15

“But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak. For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.”
Matt 10:19-20

“That they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me.”
John 17:21

“On the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried out, saying, "If anyone thirsts, let him come to Me and drink. He who believes in Me, as the Scripture has said, out of his heart will flow rivers of living water." But this He spoke concerning the Spirit, whom those believing in Him would receive; for the Holy Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.”
John 7:37-39

“There cometh a woman of Samaria to draw water: Jesus saith unto her, Give Me to drink. (For His disciples were gone away unto the city to buy meat.) Then saith the woman of Samaria unto him, How is it that thou, being a Jew, askest drink of me, which am a woman of Samaria? for the Jews have no dealings with the Samaritans. Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give Me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of Him, and He would have given thee living water. The woman saith unto him, Sir, thou hast nothing to draw with, and the well is deep: from whence then hast thou that living water? thou greater than our father Jacob, which gave us the well, and drank thereof himself, and his children, and his cattle? Jesus answered and said unto her, Whosoever drinketh of this water shall thirst again: But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.”
John 4:7-14

“And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.”
Rev 22:17-18

“For thy Maker is thine husband; the Lord of hosts is His name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall He be called.”
Isaiah 54:5

The Trinity

"Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord: And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might." Deut 6:4-5

"For there are three that bear record in Heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.”
1 John 5:7-8

"Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen."
Matt 28:19-20

"The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, andthe love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. Amen."
2 Cor 13:13-14

“Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.”
1 Peter 1:2

Life - To Know God

“And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know Him that is true, and we are in Him that is true, even in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.”
1 John 5:20

“For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put My laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to Me a people: And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know Me, from the least to the greatest.
Heb 8:10-11

“And this is life eternal, that they might know Thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom Thou hast sent.”
John 17:2-3

“And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. He that hath the Son hath life; and He that hath not the Son of God hath not life.”
1 John 5:11-12

"Who has ascended into heaven, or descended? Who has gathered the wind in His fists? Who has bound the waters in a garment? Who has established all the ends of the earth? What is His name, and what is His Son's name, If you know? "
Prov 30:4

"Yet I have set My King On My holy hill of Zion." "I will declare the decree: The Lord has said to Me, 'You are My Son, Today I have begotten You."
Psalms 2:6-7

“Not that anyone has seen the Father, except He who is from God; He has seen the Father."
John 6:46-51

“The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him.”
John 1:18

“The Father loves the Son, and has given all things into His hand.”
John 3:35

The I AMs of Jesus

"I AM the living bread which came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever;"
John 6:51

“And He said to them, "You are from beneath; I AM from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world.”
John 8:23

“Then Jesus spoke to them again, saying, "I AM the light of the world. He who follows Me shall not walk in darkness, but have the light of life."
John 8:12

“Jesus said to them, ‘Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.’"
John 8:58

"I AM the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture."
John 10:9

"I AM the good shepherd. The good shepherd gives His life for the sheep.“
John 10:11

"Who do you say of Him Whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, 'You are blaspheming,' because I said, 'I AM the Son of God'?”

John 10:36
“Jesus said to her, ‘I AM the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live.’”
John 11:25

“Jesus said to him, ‘I AM the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.’”
John 14:6

"I AM the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser.”
John 15:1

“Therefore the chief priests of the Jews said to Pilate, "Do not write, 'The King of the Jews,' but, 'He said, "I AM the King of the Jews.‘'
John 19:2

“And he said, ‘Who are You, Lord?’ And the Lord said, ‘I AM Jesus, Whom you are persecuting. Itis hard for you to kick against the goads.”
Acts 9:5

“But He held His peace, and answered nothing. Again the high priest asked Him, and said unto Him, Art Thou the Christ, the Son of the Blessed? And Jesus said, I AM: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.”
Mark 14:61-62

“Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel, and his redeemer the Lord of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.”
Isaiah 44:6

“And Hezekiah prayed unto the Lord, saying, O Lord of hosts, God of Israel, that dwellest between the cherubims, Thou art the God, even Thou alone, of all the kingdoms of the earth: Thou hast made heaven and earth.”
Isaiah 37:15-16

“In the year that king Uzziah died I saw also the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up, and His train filled the temple. Above it stood the seraphims: each one had six wings; with twain he covered his face, and with twain he covered his feet, and with twain he did fly. And one cried unto another, and said, Holy, holy, holy, is the Lord of hosts: the whole earth is full of His glory.”
Isaiah 6:1-3

“And the four beasts had each of them six wings about Him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come. And when those beasts give glory and honour and thanks to Him that sat on the throne, who liveth for ever and ever, The four and twenty elders fall down before Him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying, Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for Thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.”
Rev 4:8-11

"I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty."
Rev 1:8

“For thy Maker is thine husband; the Lord of hosts is His name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall He be called.”
Isaiah 54:5

“And He said unto them, Can ye make the children of the bridechamber fast, while the bridegroom is with them? But the days will come, when the bridegroom shall be taken away from them, and then shall they fast in those days.
Luke 5:34-35

“And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.”
Matt 25:10

“and as the bridegroom rejoiceth over the bride, so shall thy God rejoice over thee.”
Isaiah 62:5

“Be still, and know that I am God: I will be exalted among the heathen, I will be exalted in the earth. The Lord of hosts is with us; the God of Jacob is our refuge. Selah.”
Psalms 46:10-11

If you know what's good for you then you won't swing pearls before swine (Matt.7:6)

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God hasn't "checked" me yet. I was reborn by God letting me know that Jesus was the Son of God, the divine and eternal Word, existing in the bosom of the Father; with God and was God; in the image of God. We don't fully understand how this can be so even though scripture on the whole is obvious about this since we're temples of God by the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of the Father, the Spirit of His Son. Jesus said I will come to you and never leave you.

Even though it was the Emmanuel scripture that did it for me, God Himself has not stopped confirming this truth and shows me other scriptures from time to time that are not here. While their are surely scoffers who are deceived, I was deceived too.

Let God arise and the liars of deceiving spirits be scattered!

“For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.”
1 Tim 2:5-6

“For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.”
1 Tim 2:3-4

“For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.”
1 Tim 4:10

“And said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world.”
John 4:42

“But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:”
2 Tim 1:10

“For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby He is able even to subdue all things unto himself.”
Phil 3:20-21

Alive_Again said:

God hasn't "checked" me yet. I was reborn by God letting me know that Jesus was the Son of God, the divine and eternal Word, existing in the bosom of the Father; with God and was God; in the image of God. We don't fully understand how this can be so even though scripture on the whole is obvious about this since we're temples of God by the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of the Father, the Spirit of His Son. Jesus said I will come to you and never leave you.

Even though it was the Emmanuel scripture that did it for me, God Himself has not stopped confirming this truth and shows me other scriptures from time to time that are not here. While their are surely scoffers who are deceived, I was deceived too.

Let God arise and the liars of deceiving spirits be scattered!

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I admire your courage but there are many in here who are not interested in the truth except to trash it and unfortunately the rules of this site are stacked in their favour (though the people who run this site can't see it).

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Alive_Again said:

“For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.”
1 Tim 2:5-6

“For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.”
1 Tim 2:3-4

“For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.”
1 Tim 4:10

“And said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world.”
John 4:42

“But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:”
2 Tim 1:10

“For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby He is able even to subdue all things unto himself.”
Phil 3:20-21

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All well and good but most Christians are taught 'pop' theology which utterly fails to distinguish between the Son existing as Divine creator [YHWH] and the Son existing as human creature [Jesus of Nazareth] consequently for many Christians 'Jesus' and 'God' are synonymous?!

Simonline.

Superfast said:

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How I wish that were true but I know you just can't resist attacking the truth (2Cor.4:4).

Simonline.

Simonline said:

All well and good but most Christians are taught 'pop' theology which utterly fails to distinguish between the Son existing as Divine creator [YHWH] and the Son existing as human creature [Jesus of Nazareth] consequently for many Christians 'Jesus' and 'God' are synonymous?!

Simonline.

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what kind of being is this Son that exists as Divine creator [YHWH} and also exists as the human creature Jesus? Is the human creature a soul? is YHWH a spirit? which leads to the next question,

What kind of being is the son that exists as a spirit and as a soul? what kind of being can exist as 2 different kinds of beings at the same time? what kind of being is the son?

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How I wish that were true but I know you just can't control yourself.

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Don't mean to brag but it's a gift I have.

cubinity said:

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It just goes to show that debates using Scripture is futile since the Scriptures say Jesus is still a man (1 Tim. 2:5) and says Jesus is not a spirit (Luke 24:39).

Of course, Luke 24:39 was before His ascension, meaning that it is possible that He became a Spirit as the Scriptures indicate when He was taken up into heaven.

All these indicate that He became one with God in immaterialness:

Ephesians 4:10 He who descended is Himself also He who ascended far above all the heavens, so that He might fill all things.)

Colossians 3:11 Christ is all, and in all.

1 Cor. 15:45 So also it is written, "The first MAN, Adam, BECAME A LIVING SOUL " The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.

And compare them to these:

2 Chronicles 6:18 Behold, heaven and the highest heaven cannot contain You; how much less this house which I have built.

Jeremiah 23:24 "Do I not fill the heavens and the earth?" declares the LORD.

Ephesians 4:6 one God and Father of all who is over all and through all and in all.

Jpark said:

It just goes to show that debates using Scripture is futile since the Scriptures say Jesus is still a man (1 Tim. 2:5) and says Jesus is not a spirit (Luke 24:39).

Of course, Luke 24:39 was before His ascension, meaning that it is possible that He became a Spirit as the Scriptures indicate when He was taken up into heaven.

All these indicate that He became one with God in immaterialness:

Ephesians 4:10 He who descended is Himself also He who ascended far above all the heavens, so that He might fill all things.)

Colossians 3:11 Christ is all, and in all.

1 Cor. 15:45 So also it is written, "The first MAN, Adam, BECAME A LIVING SOUL " The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.

And compare them to these:

2 Chronicles 6:18 Behold, heaven and the highest heaven cannot contain You; how much less this house which I have built.

Jeremiah 23:24 "Do I not fill the heavens and the earth?" declares the LORD.

Ephesians 4:6 one God and Father of all who is over all and through all and in all.

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It appears to me that what you are doing is equating your interrpreatation of certain scriptures that Jesus is God, with scripture that says Jesus is a man and not a spirit. Doesn't what scripture says have priority over interpretations of scriptures?

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It appears to me that what you are doing is equating your interrpreatation of certain scriptures that Jesus is God, with scripture that says Jesus is a man and not a spirit. Doesn't what scripture says have priority over interpretations of scriptures?

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How is it that Christ did not come first and only became a life-giving spirit after his death?
1 Cor. 15:45 So also it is written, "The first MAN, Adam, BECAME A LIVING SOUL " The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.

he-man said:

How is it that Christ did not come first and only became a life-giving spirit after his death?
1 Cor. 15:45 So also it is written, "The first MAN, Adam, BECAME A LIVING SOUL " The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.

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I don't quite understand your question. But I see nothing in the verse indicating when Christ became a life giving spirit except that adam became a living soul when he was created, so I assume that Christ became a life giving spirit at his creation. And that because he is the new creation of god, the beginning of the new creation of god.

I'm thinking your asking me how I can say Christ isn't a spirit now because 1 cor. 15.45 says he is. My answer to that would be that luke 24.39 has Jesus saying he isn't a spirit cause he has flesh and b ones and spirits don't have flesh and bones, which I take literally, and therefore, in order to avoid a contradiction in the bible, I have tot ake 'a life giving sprit' figuratively. looking at verse 44 . it says.
(Rotherham) 1 Corinthians 15:44 It is sown a body of the soul, it is raised a body of the spirit; if there is a body of the soul, there is also of the spirit:--

So I take the meaning to be that the new man, when fully formed, and fully like christ, will still be a man of flesh and bone, but one that is more spiritual than carnal. As new creations of god, we are spiritually minded, and thus have a spiritual life that the old man, the carnal man does not have.

but if one wants to take "a life giving spirit" literally, then one has to reconcile luke 24.39 and 1 tim. 2.5 (which says Jesus is a man) with 1 cor. 15.45 someway. And I can think of no way that is plausible , at least to me.

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It appears to me that what you are doing is equating your interrpreatation of certain scriptures that Jesus is God, with scripture that says Jesus is a man and not a spirit. Doesn't what scripture says have priority over interpretations of scriptures?

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But Scripture says when He ascended into heavens, He fills all things. Luke 24:39 was before His ascension.

he-man said:

How is it that Christ did not come first and only became a life-giving spirit after his death?
1 Cor. 15:45 So also it is written, "The first MAN, Adam, BECAME A LIVING SOUL " The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.

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If there was a Scripture that plainly stated that Jesus always existed, then it wouldn't be so difficult to answer your question. And if Phil. 2:6 didn't use appearance, then your question could have been easily answered.

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I don't quite understand your question. But I see nothing in the verse indicating when Christ became a life giving spirit except that adam became a living soul when he was created, so I assume that Christ became a life giving spirit at his creation. And that because he is the new creation of god, the beginning of the new creation of god.

I'm thinking your asking me how I can say Christ isn't a spirit now because 1 cor. 15.45 says he is. My answer to that would be that luke 24.39 has Jesus saying he isn't a spirit cause he has flesh and b ones and spirits don't have flesh and bones, which I take literally, and therefore, in order to avoid a contradiction in the bible, I have tot ake 'a life giving sprit' figuratively. looking at verse 44 . it says.
(Rotherham) 1 Corinthians 15:44 It is sown a body of the soul, it is raised a body of the spirit; if there is a body of the soul, there is also of the spirit:--

So I take the meaning to be that the new man, when fully formed, and fully like christ, will still be a man of flesh and bone, but one that is more spiritual than carnal. As new creations of god, we are spiritually minded, and thus have a spiritual life that the old man, the carnal man does not have.

but if one wants to take "a life giving spirit" literally, then one has to reconcile luke 24.39 and 1 tim. 2.5 (which says Jesus is a man) with 1 cor. 15.45 someway. And I can think of no way that is plausible , at least to me.

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It's a matter of interpretation.

1 Tim. 2:5 is the only Scripture barrier that I have to deal with it if I interpret life giving spirit literally. Luke 24:39 is easily explainable.

Btw, other Scriptures call the Holy Spirit and the Father the life giver:

1 Tim. 6:13 I charge you in the presence of God, who gives life to all things...

This could mean "before God", but it could also be referring to the Holy Spirit, who is the presence of God (Psalm 139:7-8).

Also, if Jesus is still a man, why does 1 Tim. 6:14 say "...the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ"?

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But Scripture says when He ascended into heavens, He fills all things. Luke 24:39 was before His ascension.

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This illustrates my point. Scripture says in luke 24.39 that that Jesus isn't a spirit. you are using another scripture that says He ascended into heavnes to mean someting, you didn't specify , apparantly that Jesus is a spirit cause he ascended, or Jesus is god cause he ascended. whatever your unnamed interpretation is your setting your interpretation against scripture that says Jesus is not a spirit.

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If there was a Scripture that plainly stated that Jesus always existed, then it wouldn't be so difficult to answer your question. And if Phil. 2:6 didn't use appearance, then your question could have been easily answered.

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the trinitarian/Jesus is God explanation that
Jesus changed from a soulical being into a spirit being just before he ascended to heaven isn't plausible to me for several reasons. 1. God does not change. 2. if Jesus is a soul as all humans are then a soul doesn't have the power to change into the omnipresent spirit YHWH. So Jesus cannot do that as a man, which he stated he was. 3. no scripture says any animal changed into another animal, or a soul changed into a spirit, or angels changed into men, or men into angels. scripture says god created all animals after their own kind. male and female created he them. females don't change to males and vice versa, and a dog doesn't change to a cat, etc. this whole idea of one being changing into another being smacks very strongly of pagan beliefs. it smacks of reincarnation to me.



and phil. 2.6 doesn't use appearance, it uses the greek word morphe which means form. Prob. you meant another verse we were talking about previously in which the holy spirit appeared to desecnd as a dove. Luke 3.22.

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It's a matter of interpretation.

1 Tim. 2:5 is the only Scripture barrier that I have to deal with it if I interpret life giving spirit literally. Luke 24:39 is easily explainable.

Btw, other Scriptures call the Holy Spirit and the Father the life giver:

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scriptures also say that Jesus is the light and god is the light, but if you look in rev. it says that Jesus is the lamp that the light of God shines through. Jesus and the Father are one. Jesus says what his father gives him to say. Believing on Jesus is not believing on Jesus it's believing on the one who sent him, namely his Father. so likewise, Jesus, the Father and the holy spirit of God the Father all give life. Jesus gives life the same way he is the light, by God shining through him.

Revelation 21:23 And the city hath no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine upon it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the lamp (lucnoV <3088> {LAMP})thereof is the Lamb.ASV

John 9:5 As long as I am in the world, I am the light (fwV <5457> {LIGHT})of the world.KJV

It's two different words, luchnos for lamp and phos for light.

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1 Tim. 6:13 I charge you in the presence of God, who gives life to all things...

This could mean "before God", but it could also be referring to the Holy Spirit, who is the presence of God (Psalm 139:7-8).

Also, if Jesus is still a man, why does 1 Tim. 6:14 say "...the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ"?

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(Rotherham) 1 Timothy 6:14 That thou keep the commandment without spot, free from reproach, until the forthshining of our Lord Jesus Christ--

Rotherham) 2 Thessalonians 2:8 And, then, shall be revealed the lawless one,--whom, the Lord [[Jesus]], will slay with the Spirit of his mouth, and paralyse with the forthshining of his Presence:--

uh oh. now we got that Jesus mouth is a spirit. obviously meant figuratively. life giving spirit---- spirit of his mouth, ----- word of life--------- words come out of the mouth.------- it's all fiting together in a neat figurative package here.


Rootherham says forthshining. if you look at 2 thes. 2.8 the same word is translated brightness in the KJV and it is refering to the same event as 1 tim 6.14. So appearing brightly or shining forth seems to be the probable correct meanting in 1 tim 6.14. I mean when Jesus appears he is going to shine forth he isn't comming all dull and gloomy.

If the saints of God are going to shine forth then surely Jesus is going to shine forth as well

Matthew 13:43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He that hath ears, let him hear.



a man can shine forth. Moses shoneforth after being with God on mount sianai. we too will shine forth one day.

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the trinitarian/Jesus is God explanation that
Jesus changed from a soulical being into a spirit being just before he ascended to heaven isn't plausible to me for several reasons. 1. God does not change. 2. if Jesus is a soul as all humans are then a soul doesn't have the power to change into the omnipresent spirit YHWH. So Jesus cannot do that as a man, which he stated he was. 3. no scripture says any animal changed into another animal, or a soul changed into a spirit, or angels changed into men, or men into angels. scripture says god created all animals after their own kind. male and female created he them. females don't change to males and vice versa, and a dog doesn't change to a cat, etc. this whole idea of one being changing into another being smacks very strongly of pagan beliefs. it smacks of reincarnation to me.

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1. The Scriptures that say He does not change are talking about His promises. You mean the Scriptures don't have any instances of God changing.

2. That's why God raised Him from the dead. God changed Jesus into Himself because Jesus was Himself before becoming a man.

There's no point in discussing this with Scripture. It's a matter of interpretation, translation, and understanding original words (Hebrew and Greek).

You win.

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1. The Scriptures that say He does not change are talking about His promises. You mean the Scriptures don't have any instances of God changing.

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god sometimes changes his mind (so to speak, god doesn't really have a mind) but only because we repent or we ask for mercy or something like that.


Malachi 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.


the LORD doesn't change, therefore he didn't change into a man. the bible doesn't say god became a man, it says Jesus was begotten, not that Jesus was a changeling. begotten doesn't mean change .
the main "god is not a man" verse actually says.
(Young) Numbers 23:19 God [is] not a man--and lieth, And a son of man--and repenteth! Hath He said--and doth He not do [it]? And spoken--and doth He not confirm it?


ther is one not before a man, lieth, a son of man, and repenteth. So reallly God is saying he isnt a man, doesn't lie, isn't a son of man, and he doesn't repent.

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you say it just means
2. That's why God raised Him from the dead. God changed Jesus into Himself because Jesus was Himself before becoming a man.

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So what you're saying means is that a spirit (God) changed into a soul (Jesus), then a spirit (God) changed a soul (Jesus) back to himself a spirit (God). And you don't see why that makes no sense to me?

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There's no point in discussing this with Scripture. It's a matter of interpretation, translation, and understanding original words (Hebrew and Greek).

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one has to make a decision for himself as to which translation is the correct one. one shouldn't say , as you are intimating here, that the correct translation cannot be determined. Only rarely is it true that the correct translation is undeterminable.

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You win.

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well yea, you ducked practically everything I said. one has to counter my claims in order to win a debate. Ducking a debate makes one a loser of the debate.

But on the other hand, I probably have presented you with some things you have never considered before and you would need time to develop a counter arguement, and that isn't likely due to the time factor. And you probablly would only devote the time needed to analyse closely my statements if you were being persuaded by the holy spirit into these truths, and were following the leading of the holy spirit. otherwise, most people aren't going to devote much time to something they dont believe. God isn't going to call someone who is satisfied being a baptist,( if that's where God has called him to be, ) to be a pentecostal. A person has to be dissatisfied with being a baptist before God can lead him into more truth, into the baptism of the holy spirit. Someone disatisfied being a pentecostal, god will show him justifiable reasons to be a baptist, because god doesn't want to force anyone to be something they don't want ot be. If someone doesn't want to be a queen, but wants to be a concubine (song of solomon) god will not force that person to be a queen. D'accord?