Do you believe Jesus is God?

Do you believe Jesus is God?

  • Yes! This is undeniably true!

  • Yes. This seems to be true.

  • Maybe.

  • No. There is some indication this is false.

  • No! This is undeniably false!


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I hung out with a cult group for a little while and just listened. They had a seemingly convincing argument that seemed plausible because of the deadness of the denomination I grew up in. They denied the trinity. I wasn't sure anymore and needed convincing. What you fellowship with, you partake of. A deceiving spirit worked among them. Watch out for cults!

If you've already made up your mind against it, that's not being teachable. If you're really seeking and want God to show you, He will!

I was reading the scripture in Matthew about Jesus being the Emmanuel and the stronghold was broken off and I "saw" it in my spirit that He was divine. I was born again on the spot! I've collected many scriptures regarding the Father, the Word of God we know as Jesus, and the Holy Spirit. I can't believe I was so deceived, but the scripture is convincing in MANY ways. I'd be happy to share them if anyone wants to read them. I've taken the main phrase from each one and listed them consecutively for an easy, but convincing glance.

Someone preached a messaged entitled something like: "If Jesus wasn't God, then He was the greatest imposter in history!"

I'd love to read this list of very convincing Scriptures you've got.

I too appreciate how deceptive cult nonsense can be, and have had a similar experience shaking off that deceptive spirit.

If you don't want to post it here, you can PM it to me.

Thanks in advance.
 
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Woldeyesus posted:


To which you replied:


I don't agree with your reply. You tag verses to each claim EXCEPT the one that applied: the claims in Scripture are conclusive.

This indicates to me that conclusiveness is a subjective assumption you've made from the facts you can support, namely that the Scriptures are from God and a permanent record.

Neither of those supportable facts, however, prove or even support the claim that Scripture is conclusive about this issue.

Therefore, IMO you are yet to provide a reasonable defense for your, "No."

If the Judeo-Christian Scriptures are the very Word of God (1Tim.3:16-17; Heb.4:12-13) then by definition they are conclusive. The evidences to support the idea that the Judeo-Christian Scriptures are the very Word of God are far too numerous to list here but the entire universal Judeo-Christian Faith/Church is predicated upon that reality (1Cor.15:12-34; cf. Isa.8:20; 40:6-8; Jn.14:6; 17:17; 20:31; Acts.4:12).

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Some peoples "god" is their belongings.
Other peoples "god" is their profession.
Other peoples "gods" can be anything that takes all their focus, time, energy and resources.

Anyone can choose their own God.

Here is MY choice, as was Thomas's choice;

(Joh 20:28) And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

As a Jew, Thomas would NEVER have declared the human creature stood before him to be God. Thomas recognised that the One stood before him was the true Messiah [i.e. the human incarnation of God] and it was the Messiah existing as Divine (rather than existing as human) whom Thomas was declaring to be his God.

Jesus would have rebuked Him of course, if He was wrong. But Jesus accepted worship from him and us, as the only true One God of Israel can.

No. It wasn't the Son existing as the human creature Jesus of Nazareth who accepted the worship from Thomas. It was the Son existing as the Divine Creator YHWH who accepted the worship of Thomas [same Person but Existing in a different way to that of His existence as the human creature Jesus of Nazareth].


My God was tempted.
What other God was tempted?
If God was some other "person" than Jesus, He wouldn't have been tempted, He wouldn't have overcome temptation.
I sure don't worship a god that hasn't overcome temptation. That kind of God would be worthless to me or anyone else.

But the Scriptures explicitly declare that God cannot be tempted (Jas.1:13)?!

This is where you are totally confused about God and His Incarnation. The Incarnation is human NOT Divine (Jn.14:28; Heb.2:17).

The God of the Bible is Tri-Personal, not Mono-Personal. It is the Second Person [the Son] of the One Tri-Personal Divine Creator, YHWH, Who has incarnated as the human creature, Jesus of Nazareth.

The Son, Exisiting as the Divine Creator, YHWH is absolutely impervious to temptation (Jas.1:13) but as the human creature, Jesus of Nazareth, He was susceptible (which is why the Evil One tried to tempt Him as human knowing that it was a total waste of time and energy trying to tempt the Son Existing as the Divine Creator).

Therefore, it was the human creature who was subjected to temptation, not the Divine Creator.


My God overcame sin and death.
What other "God" ever overcame sin and death? Who but God in Jesus could??

Excuse me?! You've just been arguing that God and Jesus are one and the same, now you declare that 'God is in Jesus' so how could they possibly be one and the same?!

Your arguments are not even consistent?!

If God was some other "person" than Jesus, He wouldn't have overcome sin and death.

I sure don't worship a god that didn't personally overcome sin and death. That kind of god would be worthless to me.

Your perception of both God and the Messiah are totally confused and anyone with an ounce of common sense would know to give you a very wide berth?!


My God was resurrected.
What other "God" was ever resurrected?
If God was some other person than Jesus, there would have been no resurrection.
I sure don't worship a god that didn't personally come forth in resurrection from the dead. That kind of god would be worthless to me.

How can God possibly have been resurrected when He is not even capable of experiencing death in the first place (if God could experience death then He would not have needed to incarnate as the human creature, Jesus of Nazareth). It was the human creature, Jesus of Nazareth who was crucified upon the cross and it was the same human creature, Jesus of Nazareth, who was resurrected from the dead.


My God fills me with His Holy Spirit.
His Name is Jesus.
What other "holy spirit" exists except for Christ glorified and come into us?? I sure don't receive a "holy spirit god" that isn't Jesus resurrected and glorified and come into me. That would be a worthless "holy spirit" to me.

Sorry, but according to the Scriptures, the human creature, Jesus of Nazareth is a human creature (Jn.14:28; Heb.2:17), not the Divine Creator. It is YHWH Who is the Divine Creator and it is YHWH Who has incarnated as the human creature, Jesus of Nazareth (Isa,43:10-13; Matt.1:23).



Is Christ in you?

(Col 1:27) To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:


Or is this all still a mystery?

It is clear to me who MY God is :) :) :)

And NO OTHER PERSON is like my God Jesus!

As Judeo-Christians we have but ONE Saviour and Redeemer - YHWH (Isa.43:10-13) even incarnate as the Messiah, Jesus of Nazareth (Matt.1:23)

Clearly, you need to go back to the drawing board and start all over again?

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No. The Judeo-Christian Scriptures have been left for us by God Himself (1Tim.3:16-17; Heb.4:12-13) as a permanent record (Jn.20:31) and therefore are conclusive not inconclusive. The Messiah is the human incarnation of God Himself (Isa.43:10-13; Matt.1:23; Jn.1:1,14).

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I have the following two objections.

1) The match between Judeo-Christian Scriptures and the two verses you cited (2 Tim. 3: 16-17; Heb. 4:12) is far from conclusive.

2) Your comment fails to take note of the displacement of Scriptures by people's hearts; and of the introduction of a greater, more intimate and sustainable knowledge of God to one and all in terms of the "finished" work of Christ's self-revelation in his perfect and diacritical death on the cross for the whole world (Jer. 31: 31-34; Matt. 26: 26-29; 27: 50-56).

Therefore, the Scriptures have long deferred their "final authority" to God's self-revelation in Christ Jesus!
 
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I hung out with a cult group for a little while and just listened. They had a seemingly convincing argument that seemed plausible because of the deadness of the denomination I grew up in. They denied the trinity. I wasn't sure anymore and needed convincing. What you fellowship with, you partake of. A deceiving spirit worked among them. Watch out for cults!

If you've already made up your mind against it, that's not being teachable. If you're really seeking and want God to show you, He will!

I was reading the scripture in Matthew about Jesus being the Emmanuel and the stronghold was broken off and I "saw" it in my spirit that He was divine. I was born again on the spot! I've collected many scriptures regarding the Father, the Word of God we know as Jesus, and the Holy Spirit. I can't believe I was so deceived, but the scripture is convincing in MANY ways. I'd be happy to share them if anyone wants to read them. I've taken the main phrase from each one and listed them consecutively for an easy, but convincing glance.

Someone preached a messaged entitled something like: "If Jesus wasn't God, then He was the greatest imposter in history!"
If directly revealed knowledge of God is precluded, absolutely nothing in the Scriptures makes any sense and nobody is safe! (Matt. 7: 21-23)
 
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If the Judeo-Christian Scriptures are the very Word of God (1Tim.3:16-17; Heb.4:12-13) then by definition they are conclusive. The evidences to support the idea that the Judeo-Christian Scriptures are the very Word of God are far too numerous to list here but the entire universal Judeo-Christian Faith/Church is predicated upon that reality (1Cor.15:12-34; cf. Isa.8:20; 40:6-8; Jn.14:6; 17:17; 20:31; Acts.4:12).

Simonline.

Your "witness" is: Word of God = conclusive

Perhaps the problem is how we understand communication.

God knows everything, does He not?

The Bible admittedly reports less than everything revealed and known by its human authors, does it not?

Those human authors knows remarkably less than God, do they not?

Therefore, the Bible only reveals a fraction of what God actually knows.

All that God knows might be conclusive, but He has not communicated exhaustively all that He knows.

Therefore, it is fallacious to say that just because it is the Word of God, it must be conclusive.

Furthermore, you have no substance to this witness. You did not see the delivery of revelation to the authors, so you must rely on what the authors recorded, just as we all do, and it is clear to all of us based on that evidence that they never made the argument that the revelations they received, nor the parts they chose to record, were conclusive.

So, you can "witness" that the Bible is the Word of God until you're fingers bleed, but that doesn't have anything to do with your claim that the Bible is conclusive on this matter.
 
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As a Jew, Thomas would NEVER have declared the human creature stood before him to be God. Thomas recognised that the One stood before him was the true Messiah [i.e. the human incarnation of God] and it was the Messiah existing as Divine (rather than existing as human) whom Thomas was declaring to be his God.
So Thomas was speaking the words "My God" to the human Jesus, but he wasn't calling the human Jesus God, he was calling the divine Jesus (who is omnipresent spirit) god. Why did thomas speak the words "My god" to the human Jesus if he didn't believe the Human Jesus was god? clearly you need to go back to the drawing board..
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No. It wasn't the Son existing as the human creature Jesus of Nazareth who accepted the worship from Thomas. It was the Son existing as the Divine Creator YHWH who accepted the worship of Thomas [same Person but Existing in a different way to that of His existence as the human creature Jesus of Nazareth].
a human is a soul and god is a spirit ; therefore, Translation: It wasn't the spirit and soul Son existing as a soul Jesus who accepted worship it was the soul and spirit Son existing as spirit YHWH who accepted worship. ( same spirit and soul but existing in a different way to that of his existence as the soul creature jesus)

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Clearly, you need to go back to the drawing board and start all over again?
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you sure do except there's no question about it.
 
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I have the following two objections.

1) The match between Judeo-Christian Scriptures and the two verses you cited (2 Tim. 3: 16-17; Heb. 4:12-13) is far from conclusive.

How can you possibly say that when Paul explicitly states that 'All Scripture is God-breathed and is valuable for teaching the truth, convicting of sin, correcting faults and training in right living, thus anyone who belongs to God may be fully equiped for every good work' (2Tim.3:16-17 JNT)?! To what else might the apostle Paul be referring?!

2) Your comment fails to take note of the displacement of Scriptures by people's hearts; and of the introduction of a greater, more intimate and sustainable knowledge of God to one and all in terms of the "finished" work of Christ's self-revelation in his perfect and diacritical death on the cross for the whole world (Jer. 31: 31-34; Matt. 26: 26-29; 27: 50-56).

And where exactly are we told that the 'finished work of Christ's self-revelation in His perfect and diacritical death on the cross for the whole world' 'displaces' the Judeo-Christian Scriptures thus rendering them obsolete (interesting that you have quoted from the same Scriptures that, according to you, have been 'displaced' by the 'finished work of Christ')?!

Therefore, the Scriptures have long deferred their "final authority" to God's self-revelation in Christ Jesus!

So, how are we supposed to know about this 'finished work of Christ' if not by means of the 'displaced' Judeo-Christian Scriptures (Jn.20:31)?!

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Humans are souls and God is a spirit. therefore what you have said means is that a spirit changed into a soul. and Thomas was speaking to the spirit Jesus not the soul Jesus when he said My God'. But wait a minute, Tomas was speaking to the soul Jesus when he said My God. That would mean Thomas was calling the human (soul) Jesus the divine (spirit)JEsus. you gotta rethink this one Simonline. A big flaw in your theology here is that you say the human JEsus isn't god it is the divine JEsus who is god, but Thomas was calling the human Jesus god, according to you. uh oh, back to the drawing board for you Simonline. Translation: It wasn't the spirit and soul Son existing as a soul Jesus who accepted worship it was the soul and spirit Son existing as spirit YHWH who accepted worship. ( same spirit and soul but existing in a different way to that of his existence as the soul creature jesus)

you sure do except there's no question about it.

Obviously serious theology is utterly beyond you. I shall revert to plan A and continue to ignore you.

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If directly revealed knowledge of God is precluded, absolutely nothing in the Scriptures makes any sense and nobody is safe! (Matt. 7: 21-23)

It was straight from the Father! It set me free. I can list many scriptures about the Trinity, but it will take the combination of a seeking heart for truth (not having made up your mind, if you're unconvinced) and the Holy Spirit illuminating scripture in your spirit.
 
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Obviously serious theology is utterly beyond you. I shall revert to plan A and continue to ignore you.

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my my I just say a human is a soul and God is a spirit, and that causes you to say serious theology is beond me.
I expected that, and it's ok. I mean you can't really say that a human isn't a soul or God isn't a spirit so my conclusions are wrong , no so you have to say serious theology is beond me. but like i said that's ok I expected such a respnse from you. I just enjoy exposing the extreme illogic of your statements. sort of like a crossword puzzle, or untangling a bunch of tangled up electrical cords.
 
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“And God said, Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. So God created man in His own image, in the image of God created He him; male and female created He them.”
Gen 1:26-27

“And the Lord came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded. And the Lord said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do. Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.”
Gen 11:5-7

“In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.”
Gen 1:1

“And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.”
Gen 1:3

“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God
John 1:1

"All things were made by Him; and without Him was not any thing made that was made."
John 1:3

“The same was in the beginning with God.”

John 1:2

“And God said, Let us make man in Our image, after Our likeness:”
Gen 1:26

"And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory."
1 Tim 3:16


“But now, O Lord, Thou art our Father; we are the clay, and Thou our potter; and we all are the work of Thy hand.”
Isaiah 64:8

“And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so. And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.”
Gen 1:24-25

“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God.”
John 1:1-2

"And when they heard that, they lifted up their voice to God with one accord, and said, Lord, Thou art God, which hast made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all that in them is:"
Acts 4:23-24

“All things were made by Him; and without Him was not any thing made that was made. In Him was life; and the life was the light of men.”
John 1:3-4

“O Lord of hosts, God of Israel, that dwellest between the cherubims, Thou art the God, even Thou alone, of all the kingdoms of the earth: Thou hast made Heaven and earth.”
Isaiah 37:16

“And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come... 11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for Thou hast created all things, and for Thy pleasure they are and were created.”
Rev 4:8,11

“Hast thou not known? Hast thou not heard, that the everlasting God, the Lord, the Creator of the ends of the earth, fainteth not, neither is weary? there is no searching of His understanding.”
Isaiah 40:28

"And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven, And sware by Him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer: But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as He hath declared to His servants the prophets."
Rev 10:5-7

"Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth."
1 Tim 4:1,3

"...His Son, Whom He hath appointed heir of all things, by Whom also He made the worlds;"

Heb 1:2

"All things were made by Him; and without Him was not any thing made that was made."
John 1:3

(He is not a created being.)


"Let them praise the name of the Lord: for He commanded, and they were created."
Psalms 148:4-5

“For the Word of the Lord is right; and all His works are done in truth. He loveth righteousness and judgment: the earth is full of the goodness of the Lord. By the Word of the Lord were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of His mouth
Psalms 33:4-6

“And Hezekiah prayed unto the Lord, saying, O Lord of hosts, God of Israel, that dwellest between the cherubims, Thou art the God, even Thou alone, of all the kingdoms of the earth: Thou hast made Heaven and earth.”
Isaiah 37:15-16

"Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light: Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of His dear Son: In Whom we have redemption through His blood, even the forgiveness of sins: Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by Him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by Him, and for Him: And He is before all things, and by Him all things consist. And He is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things He might have the preeminence. For it pleased the Father that in Him should all fulness dwell;" Col 1:12-19
 
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Your "witness" is: Word of God = conclusive

Perhaps the problem is how we understand communication.

God knows everything, does He not?

The Bible admittedly reports less than everything revealed and known by its human authors, does it not?

Those human authors knows remarkably less than God, do they not?

Therefore, the Bible only reveals a fraction of what God actually knows.

All that God knows might be conclusive, but He has not communicated exhaustively all that He knows.

Therefore, it is fallacious to say that just because it is the Word of God, it must be conclusive.

Furthermore, you have no substance to this witness. You did not see the delivery of revelation to the authors, so you must rely on what the authors recorded, just as we all do, and it is clear to all of us based on that evidence that they never made the argument that the revelations they received, nor the parts they chose to record, were conclusive.

So, you can "witness" that the Bible is the Word of God until you're fingers bleed, but that doesn't have anything to do with your claim that the Bible is conclusive on this matter.

So what you're saying is that only God who is Omniscient can know conclusively?! In that case finite creatures cannot know anything, so God revealing anything to His finite creatures has been a total waste of energy on God's part since we are not capable of knowing anything exhaustively/conclusively and therefore of knowing anything at all?!

The argument that proves too much destroys itself.

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"Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light: Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of His dear Son: In Whom we have redemption through His blood, even the forgiveness of sins: Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by Him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by Him, and for Him: And He is before all things, and by Him all things consist. And He is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things He might have the preeminence. For it pleased the Father that in Him should all fulness dwell;" Col 1:12-19

"For in Him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily."
Col 2:8-9

"Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ; And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:"
Eph 3:8-9

“Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator
1 Peter 4:19

“But we have renounced the hidden things of shame, not walking in craftiness nor handling the Word of God deceitfully, but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God. But even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing, whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them.”
2 Cor 4:2-4

"God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by His Son, Whom He hath appointed heir of all things, by Whom also He made the worlds; Who being the brightness of His glory, and the express image of His person, and upholding all things by the word of His power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;"
Heb 1:1-3

“
That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, concerning the Word of life-- the life was manifested, and we have seen, and bear witness, and declare to you that eternal life which was with the Father and was manifested to us-- that which we have seen and heard we declare to you, that you also may have fellowship with us; and truly our fellowship is with the Father and with His Son Jesus Christ. And these things we write to you that your joy may be full.”
1 John 1:1-4


“God that made the world and all things therein
, seeing that He is Lord of Heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;”
Acts 17:24

“He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him.”
John 1:10-11


"But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall He come forth unto Me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting."
Micah 5:2

“And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call His name JESUS: for He shall save His people from their sins. Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call His name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us
Matt 1:20-23

“Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I am He, you will die in your sins.” Then they said to Him, “Who are You?” And Jesus said to them, “Just what I have been saying to you from the beginning” (John 8:23-25).

“Jesus therefore, knowing all things that would come upon Him, went forward and said to them, ‘Whom are you seeking?’ They answered Him, ‘Jesus of Nazareth.’ Jesus said to them, ‘I am He.’ And Judas, who betrayed Him, also stood with them. Now when He said to them, ‘I am He,’ they drew back and fell to the ground. Then He asked them again, ‘Whom are you seeking?’ And they said, ‘Jesus of Nazareth.’ Jesus answered, ‘I have told you that I am He.’”
John 18:4-8

"And there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved."
Acts 4:12

“Yet I am the Lord thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but Me: for there is no saviour beside Me.”
Hosea 13:4

"Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the Lord? and there is no God else beside Me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside Me. Look unto Me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else. I have sworn by Myself, the Word is gone out of My mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto Me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear."
Isaiah 45:21-23

"for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to Me, and every tongue shall confess to God."
Romans 14:10-11

"No one is holy like the Lord, For there is none besides You, Nor is there any rock like our God."
1 Sam 2:2


“Because I will publish the name of the Lord: ascribe ye greatness unto our God. He is the Rock, His work is perfect: for all His ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is He.”
Deut 32:3-4

"...for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ."
1 Cor 10:4

"Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with Whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning."
James 1:17

"For I am the Lord, I change not; "
Mal 3:6

"Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever."
Heb 13:8

"Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel, and His redeemer the Lord of Hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside Me there is no God."
Isaiah 44:5-6

“Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the Lord, the first, and with the last; I am He.”
Isaiah 41:4

"And, behold, I come quickly; and My reward is with Me, to give every man according as his work shall be. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last."
Rev 22:12-13

"And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead. And He laid His right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: I am He that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death."
Rev 1:17-18

"I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty."
Rev 1:8

“And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.
Rev 4:8-11

"For My own sake, for My own sake, I will do it; For how should My name be profaned? And I will not give My glory to another. "Listen to Me, O Jacob, And Israel, My called: I am He, I am the First, I am also the Last. Indeed My hand has laid the foundation of the earth, And My right hand has stretched out the heavens; When I call to them, They stand up together."
Isaiah 48:11-13

“And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.”
John 17:4-5

“Father, I desire that they also Whom You gave Me may be with Me where I am, that they may behold My glory which You have given Me; for You loved Me before the foundation of the world.”
John 17:23-24

“And they brought the colt to Jesus, and cast their garments on Him; and he sat upon Him. And many spread their garments in the way: and others cut down branches off the trees, and strawed them in the way. And they that went before, and they that followed, cried, saying, Hosanna; Blessed is He that cometh in the name of the Lord: Blessed be the kingdom of our father David, that cometh in the name of the Lord: Hosanna in the highest.”
Mark 11:7-10

"Who is this King of glory? The Lord strong and mighty, The Lord mighty in battle. Lift up your heads, O you gates! Lift up, you everlasting doors! And the King of glory shall come in. Who is this King of glory? The Lord of hosts, He is the King of glory."
Psalms 24:8-10

“The next day a great multitude that had come to the feast, when they heard that Jesus was coming to Jerusalem, took branches of palm trees and went out to meet Him, and cried out: "Hosanna!’ Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!' The King of Israel!" Then Jesus, when He had found a young donkey, sat on it; as it is written: "Fear not, daughter of Zion; Behold, your King is coming, Sitting on a donkey's colt."
John 12:12-15


“And, behold, the glory of the God of Israel came from the way of the east: and His voice was like a noise of many waters: and the earth shined with His glory.
Ezek 43:2

“And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle. His head and His hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and His eyes were as a flame of fire; And His feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and His voice as the sound of many waters. And He had in His right hand seven stars: and out of His mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and His countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength. And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead. And He laid His right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: , and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.”
Rev 1:13-18
 
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my my I just say a human is a soul and God is a spirit, and that causes you to say serious theology is beond me.
I expected that, and it's ok. I mean you can't really say that a human isn't a soul or God isn't a spirit so my conclusions are wrong , no so you have to say serious theology is beond me. but like i said that's ok I expected such a respnse from you. I just enjoy exposing the extreme illogic of your statements. sort of like a crossword puzzle, or untangling a bunch of tangled up electrical cords.


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[FONT=&quot]“Then said David to the Philistine, Thou comest to me with a sword, and with a spear, and with a shield: but I come to thee in the name of the Lord of hosts, the God of the armies of Israel, whom thou hast defied.”
[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]1 Sam 17:45

[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]"He has made the earth by His power; He has established the world by His wisdom, [FONT=&quot]And stretched out the heaven by His understanding. When He utters His voice-- There is a multitude of waters in the heavens: "He causes the vapors to ascend from the ends of the earth; He makes lightnings for the rain; He brings the wind out of His treasuries." Everyone is dull-hearted, without knowledge; Every metalsmith is put to shame by the carved image; For his molded image is falsehood, And there is no breath in them. They are futile, a work of errors; In the time of their punishment they shall perish. The Portion of Jacob is not like them, For He is the Maker of all things; And Israel is the tribe of His inheritance. The Lord of hosts is His name.
Jer 51:15-19 [/FONT]


[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]“For thy Maker is thine husband; the Lord of hosts is His name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall He be called.”
[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]Isaiah 54:5

[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]“And one cried unto another, and said, Holy, holy, holy, is the Lord of hosts: the whole earth is full of His glory.”
[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]Isaiah 6:3
[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]
[FONT=&quot]“And David arose, and went with all the people that were with him from Baale of Judah, to bring up from thence the ark of God, whose name is called by the name of the Lord of hosts that dwelleth between the cherubims.” [/FONT]
[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]2 Sam 6:2

[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]And let Thy name be magnified for ever, saying, The Lord of hosts is the God over Israel: and let the house of Thy servant David be established before Thee. For Thou, O Lord of hosts, God of Israel, hast revealed to Thy servant, saying, I will build Thee an house: therefore hath Thy servant found in his heart to pray this prayer unto Thee.
[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]2 Sam 7:26-27[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Let it even be established, that Thy name may be magnified for ever, saying, The Lord of hosts is the God of Israel, even a God to Israel: and let the house of David Thy servant be established before Thee.
[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]1 Chron 17:23-24

[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]“The Lord of hosts is with us; the God of Jacob is our refuge. Selah.”
[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]Psalms 46:7

[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]HE IS WORSHIPPED

[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]"And I fell at His feet to worship Him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy."
[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]Rev 19:9-10

[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]"Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and Him only shalt thou serve."
[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]Matt 4:9-10

[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]"And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary His mother, and fell down, and worshipped Him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto Him gifts; gold, and frankincense, and myrrh."
[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]Matt 2:11

[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]"Then they that were in the ship came and worshipped Him, saying, Of a truth Thou art the Son of God." Matt 14:32-33

[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]"And as they went to tell His disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail. And they came and held Him by the feet, and worshipped Him."
[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]Matt 28:9

[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]"Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when he had found him, He said unto him, Dost thou believe on the Son of God? He answered and said, Who is He, Lord, that I might believe on Him? And Jesus said unto him, Thou hast both seen Him, and it is He that talketh with thee. And he said, Lord, I believe. And he worshipped Him."
[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]John 9:35-38

[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]"And He led them out as far as to Bethany, and He lifted up His hands, and blessed them. And it came to pass, while He blessed them, He was parted from them, and carried up into heaven. And they worshipped Him, and returned to Jerusalem with great joy: And were continually in the temple, praising and blessing God. Amen." Luke 24:50-53 [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]"And again, when He bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, He saith, And let all the angels of God worship Him." Heb 1:6

[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]JESUS, SON OF MAN, MADE A LITTLE LOWER

[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]"Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved Me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for My Father is greater than I."
[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]John 14:28

[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]"Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made Himself of no reputation, and took upon Him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: And being found in fashion as a man, He humbled Himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. Wherefore God also hath highly exalted Him, and given Him a name which is above every name: That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father."
[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]Phil 2:5-11

[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]"For unto the angels hath He not put in subjection the world to come, whereof we speak. But one in a certain place testified, saying, What is man, that Thou art mindful of him? or the son of man, that Thou visitest him? Thou madest Him a little lower than the angels; Thou crownedst Him with glory and honour, and didst set Him over the works of Thy hands: Thou hast put all things in subjection under His feet. For in that He put all in subjection under Him, He left nothing that is not put under Him. But now we see not yet all things put under Him. But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that He by the grace of God should taste death for every man."

[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]"For it became Him, for Whom are all things, and by Whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings. For both He that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause He is not ashamed to call them brethren, Saying, I will declare Thy name unto My brethren, in the midst of the church will I sing praise unto Thee. And again, I will put My trust in Him. And again, Behold I and the children which God hath given Me."
[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]Heb 2:10-13

[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]"Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, He also Himself likewise took part of the same; that through death He might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage. For verily He took not on Him the nature of angels; but He took on Him the seed of Abraham. Wherefore in all things it behoved Him to be made like unto His brethren, that He might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people. For in that He Himself hath suffered being tempted, He is able to succour them that are tempted."
Heb 2:14-18

[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]“For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Who gave Himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.”
[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]1 Tim 2:5-6

[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]JESUS, ETERNAL SON OF GOD

[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]"But I say unto you, that in this place is One greater than the temple."
[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]Matt 12:6

[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]"God spoke further to Moses and said to him, "I am the Lord; and I appeared to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, as God Almighty, but by My name, Lord, I did not make Myself known to them."
Exodus 6:2-3


[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]“And Thomas answered and said unto Him, my Lord and my God.”
[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]John 20:28

[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]“The Lord thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto Me; unto Him ye shall hearken; According to all that thou desiredst of the Lord Thy God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, Let me not hear again the voice of the Lord my God, neither let me see this great fire any more, that I die not. And the Lord said unto me, They have well spoken that which they have spoken. I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put My words in His mouth; and He shall speak unto them all that I shall command Him.”
[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]Deut 18:56-18

[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]"[FONT=&quot]For unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given; And the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace." [/FONT]
[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]Isaiah 9:6

[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]“The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, "Behold! The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world! This is He of Whom I said, 'After me comes a Man who is preferred before me, for He was before me."
John 1:29-30
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“No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man who is in heaven. And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life. For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.” John 3:13-16

“You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me”
John 5:39

“Do not think that I shall accuse you to the Father; there is one who accuses you--Moses, in whom you trust. For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me; for he wrote about Me. But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?"
John 5:45-47

“Then Jesus said to them, "Most assuredly, I say to you, Moses did not give you the bread from heaven, but My Father gives you the true bread from heaven. For the bread of God is He who comes down from heaven and gives life to the world." Then they said to Him, "Lord, give us this bread always." And Jesus said to them, "I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst.”
John 6:32-35

“The Jews then complained about Him, because He said, "I am the bread which came down from heaven." And they said, "Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How is it then that He says, 'I have come down from heaven'?"
John 6:41-42

“Then Jesus spoke to them again, saying, "I am the light of the world. He who follows Me shall not walk in darkness, but have the light of life."
John 8:12

“Thy Word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.“
Psalms 119:105

“Then they said to Him, "Where is Your Father?" Jesus answered, "You know neither Me nor My Father. If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also." John 8:19

“Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad." Then the Jews said to Him, "You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?" Jesus said to them, "Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM." Then they took up stones to throw at Him; but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.”
John 8:56-59

“I and My Father are one."
Then the Jews took up stones again to stone Him. Jesus answered them, "Many good works I have shown you from My Father. For which of those works do you stone Me?" The Jews answered Him, saying, "For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God." Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your law, 'I said, "You are gods" '? If He called them gods, to whom the word of God came (and the Scripture cannot be broken), do you say of Him Whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, 'You are blaspheming,' because I said, 'I am the Son of God'? If I do not do the works of My Father, do not believe Me; but if I do, though you do not believe Me, believe the works, that you may know and believe that the Father is in Me, and I in Him."
John 10:30-38


"And He that seeth Me seeth Him that sent Me."
John 12:45

“Thomas said to Him, "Lord, we do not know where You are going, and how can we know the way?" Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. "If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; and from now on you know Him and have seen Him." Philip said to Him, "Lord, show us the Father, and it is sufficient for us." Jesus said to him, "Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, 'Show us the Father'? Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? The words that I speak to you I do not speak on My own authority; but the Father who dwells in Me does the works. Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father in Me, or else believe Me for the sake of the works themselves.”
John 14:5-11


“For this reason the Jews persecuted Jesus, and sought to kill Him, because He had done these things on the Sabbath. But Jesus answered them, "My Father has been working until now, and I have been working." Therefore the Jews sought all the more to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God.”
John 5:16-18


“The Jews answered him, "We have a law, and according to our law He ought to die, because He made Himself the Son of God." John 19:7

”While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them, saying, "What do you think about the Christ? Whose Son is He?" They said to Him, "The Son of David." He said to them, "How then does David in the Spirit call Him 'Lord,' saying: 'The Lord said to My Lord, "Sit at My right hand, Till I make Your enemies Your footstool" '?[ "If David then calls Him 'Lord,' how is He his Son?" And no one was able to answer Him a word, nor from that day on did anyone dare question Him anymore.”
Matt 22:41-46


“I came forth from the Father and have come into the world.
Again, I leave the world and go to the Father."
John 16:28

GOD RAISED…

“For as the Father has life in Himself, so He has granted the Son to have life in Himself, and has given Him authority to execute judgment also, because He is the Son of Man.”
John 5:26-27

"But ye denied the Holy One and the Just, and desired a murderer to be granted unto you; And killed the Prince of life, Whom God hath raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses."
Acts 3:14-15

"Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent Him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities."
Acts 3:26

"And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. But if the Spirit of Him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, He that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by His Spirit that dwelleth in you."
Romans 8:10-11

"Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days? But He spake of the temple of His body."
John 2:19-21

"Therefore doth My Father love Me, because I lay down My life, that I might take it again. No man taketh it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of My Father."
John 10:17-18

"But ye denied the Holy One and the Just, and desired a murderer to be granted unto you; And killed the Prince of life, Whom God hath raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses."
Acts 3:14-15

“And He who sent Me is with Me. The Father has not left Me alone, for I always do those things that please Him."
John 8:28-29

“Jesus said to them, "If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and came from God; nor have I come of Myself, but He sent Me.”
John 8:42

"But when the Helper comes, Whom I shall send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He will testify of Me. And you also will bear witness, because you have been with Me from the beginning.”
John 15:26-27

“Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; And He shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:”
Acts 3:19-20
 
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