ACLU's war against Catholic Hospitals

AMDG · Dec 24, 2010

I did a search and there are just too many sites that have this one story for me to try to figure out what site y'all would like in order to read it. It seems that the ACLU has written a letter (on December 24th no less) to the government to force Catholic hospitals to provide abortions against Church teaching. You all know that we can't approve of abortion and still be Catholic, so what does this mean? Just what the Bishops warned us about? Less medical care for people? Lives lost? Jobs too because Catholics will be forced to "take a stand"?

(Of course I guess this goes hand and hand with the abortion Christmas gift certificates that Planned Parenthood are again giving this year.)

I'm getting the uncomfortable feeling that one of the next letters will be about rounding up those mean old Catholics that refuse to applaud abortion and feeding them to the lions!

JacktheCatholic · Dec 24, 2010

ACLU seems to be run by Satan. Sorry if that offends anyone.

boughtwithaprice · Dec 24, 2010

This is a Constitutional issue, and another reason that healthcare "reform" is unconstitutional.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Forcing Catholics to perform abortions would be preventing them from free exercise of their religion. The United States has drifted away from the Constitution and the left wants to give the government powers that it does not have in order to advance their agenda. Get the government out of healthcare

Consiglieri · Dec 24, 2010

I have no problem believing that Satan is involved with the ACLU.

Meepy · Dec 24, 2010

abortion Christmas gift certificates? you can't be serious. wowow

Davidnic · Dec 24, 2010

They try this often, trying to make it a human right to kill the innocent.

BiblebelievingChristian · Dec 24, 2010

AMDG said:
I did a search and there are just too many sites that have this one story for me to try to figure out what site y'all would like in order to read it. It seems that the ACLU has written a letter (on December 24th no less) to the government to force Catholic hospitals to provide abortions against Church teaching. You all know that we can't approve of abortion and still be Catholic, so what does this mean? Just what the Bishops warned us about? Less medical care for people? Lives lost? Jobs too because Catholics will be forced to "take a stand"?

(Of course I guess this goes hand and hand with the abortion Christmas gift certificates that Planned Parenthood are again giving this year.)

I'm getting the uncomfortable feeling that one of the next letters will be about rounding up those mean old Catholics that refuse to applaud abortion and feeding them to the lions!

I tried to warn people that liberals were going to force us to choose between them or the faith if enough of them got into power. It's a shame that so many nominal Catholics helped to make this happen by ignoring the teaching of the Church and warnings of the bishops and voting for Obama. The following article is an example of this disobedience by Obama supporters:

Writer votes for Obama, defends his choice saying, “Bishops be damned”
.

Naomi4Christ · Dec 24, 2010

In what circumstances are Catholic doctors forced by law to perform abortions?

SolomonVII · Dec 24, 2010

Naomi4Christ said:
In what circumstances are Catholic doctors forced by law to perform abortions?

Can't say for the States, but in Canada if the Christian hospital wanted to get any funding, they would have to provide abortions.

They mainly folded and became public institutions.

As for forcing actual doctors in America, the Conscience Clause died with the advent of Obama and the Democrats into the halls of government

AMDG · Dec 24, 2010

SolomonVII said:
Can't say for the States, but in Canada if the Christian hispital wanted to get any funding, they would have to provide abortions.

Catholic doctors (and Catholic hospitals) are similarly "nudged" (or harrassed--even some nurses are forced to participate in order to finish their training) to provide the killing operation or killing prescriptions. The fact that even cooperation with the evil of abortion, excommunicates us is completely lost on those who would "nudge" us to this evil.

Davidnic · Dec 24, 2010

Naomi4Christ said:
In what circumstances are Catholic doctors forced by law to perform abortions?

Currently none (in reality they are pressured to do them though, but none by letter of the law). The ACLU wants them forced to do them in "life of the mother" and they include "mental stress" in the life saving description and also rape and incest.

Remember the Church does not condemn a medical procedure to save the mother if you try to save the child as well and the baby dies despite best efforts. And many doctors argue a direct abortion is never necessary to save a life.

What the ACLU wants is direct abortion to be done.

BiblebelievingChristian · Dec 24, 2010

Davidnic said:
What the ACLU wants is direct abortion to be done.

In other words, the ACLU's agenda is really about murdering the child and not about "saving the life of the mother".

Fantine · Dec 24, 2010

Oy vey! The ACLU initiates a frivolous lawsuit and right away health care opponents want to dismantle the most important civil rights accomplishment of the last ten years (yes, I'd put it before the repeal of don't ask, don't tell.)

Bah, humbug!

ChristoEtEcclesiae · Dec 25, 2010

How do you gift someone with an abortion gift certificate? Is it rude to give one to a woman whom you do not know is pregnant? Do you wait until she announces that she is? Do you have sex with her and then later gift it as a stocking stuffer?

Abortion culture makes no sense.

Fantine · Dec 25, 2010

AMDG's post was misleading, that's how.

Since there wasn't a link, I just googled it.

The gift certificates, ranging from $25 to $100, can be used for any services Planned Parenthood offers.

The article I found has a quote from the director.

Planned Parenthood is quick to argue some 95 percent of women who come to their clinics come for basic health services -- not abortion.
"It's about basic health care. It's about annual exams, it's about pap smears, it's about birth control," said Cockrum. "I would be amazed if a dime of it goes toward an abortion."

Planned Parenthood Offers Gift Certificates - ABC News

Perhaps someone would give it to a friend or relative so that she could obtain a mammogram or some other potentially life-saving diagnostic service.

Perhaps the original post was referenced from Lifesite News, and we know what that means.

WarriorAngel · Dec 25, 2010

boughtwithaprice said:
This is a Constitutional issue, and another reason that healthcare "reform" is unconstitutional.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Forcing Catholics to perform abortions would be preventing them from free exercise of their religion. The United States has drifted away from the Constitution and the left wants to give the government powers that it does not have in order to advance their agenda. Get the government out of healthcare

Liberalism is chipping it away slowly - theres a means to their end.

Sad.

This must be fought against by all Christians...

ChristoEtEcclesiae · Dec 25, 2010

Fantine said:
AMDG's post was misleading, that's how.

Since there wasn't a link, I just googled it.

The gift certificates, ranging from $25 to $100, can be used for any services Planned Parenthood offers.

The article I found has a quote from the director.

Planned Parenthood Offers Gift Certificates - ABC News

Perhaps someone would give it to a friend or relative so that she could obtain a mammogram or some other potentially life-saving diagnostic service.

Perhaps the original post was referenced from Lifesite News, and we know what that means.

If Planned Parenthood wants to offer healthcare services, that's fine. Abortion and birth control are NOT healthcare services and they must cease offering them and publicly recant and repent. Until that time, they are evil.

AMDG · Dec 25, 2010

And I am getting a bit tired of being accused of offering "misleading posts" just because (as I stated) the story is on so many, many sites which some people find offensive so I was sure I could let them Google the story so they could pick the site they liked. BTW the story I posted about was the ACLU's writing a letter to the government on the 24th trying to get Catholic hospitals to provide abortion services (contrary to our Catholic faith.)

There was a post last year about Planned Parenthood offering the abortion gift-certificates for Christmas, just as they did it this year. Some defended those gift certificates back then and I assumed that they would again, so I didn't even bother with a seperate post about that. But as to it being evil (and insensitive and probably devious as well), that goes without saying. I had heard that Planned Parenthood even offered free abortions to women following the World Trade Tragedy! (Haven't botherd to Google that--I'm sure that those interested in defending that organization can.) But considering the fact that it was founded by the eugenist, Margaret Sanger, who used abortion as a tool for her "Negro Project", I wouldn't put it past them. They are an evil organization.

About the free abortions after the terrorist tragedy, there's this: http://www.prolife.com/FrPavoneNYCrisis.htm (sorry if you folks don't like Father Pavone's prolife.com, but...)

Oh and I know that some of you don't like lifesite (so you can find a site you do like that carries the same darn story--I believe it's entitled "An UnHoly War Against Catholic Hospitals") but "just hold your collective noses" because LifeSite is one of the Sites (along with the Washington Examiner, the Washington Post, Michelle Malkin, etc...) that I'm posting:
http://www.lifenews.com/2010/12/23/nat-6961/

LifeSite again, but there are other sites about the Planned Parenthood outrage:
http://www.lifenews.com/2008/11/25/state-3669/

And try this site about the Negro Project:
http://www.blackgenocide.org/negro.html

ChristoEtEcclesiae · Dec 25, 2010

Considering all of the flak the Church and pro-life organizations take, I'd think efforts would be made to avoid sensationalism and exaggerations just to show how much better they are.

Fantine · Dec 25, 2010

WarriorAngel said:
Liberalism is chipping it away slowly - theres a means to their end.

Sad.

This must be fought against by all Christians...

Fighting healthcare is against the second great commandment, the corporal acts of mercy and heaven knows what else.

Besides, the bishops support healthcare. They would like to see a minor tweak...but they would never support dismantling it, because it would be unChristian and because it took decades to pass.

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