On the renewed covenant... How many changes to a covenant must be made to make it "new"? or is it "re-newed"?
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Frequently Asked Questions About Hebrew Roots
Hebrew Roots FAQ's and Myths
Hebrew Roots FAQ's and Myths
Basic Doctrinal Issues
Myth. It is a Renewed Covenant, not a New Covenant. It a Renewed Covenant not a New Testament.
A. There are many in Hebrew Roots or Hebraic Roots and some who call themselves Messianics who believe that Jeremiah 31:31-32 means a renewed covenant, not a new covenant. What is accomplished by calling it renewed? And what do the Scriptures really say?
Jeremiah 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: 32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: In Jeremiah 31:31 the Hebrew clearly says brit (covenant) chadasha (new). If you were to ask any fluent Hebrew speaker, regardless of their religious beliefs, what chadashameans, they will agree it means "new". Further, the words following it say "lo k´brit ", not like the covenant , that I made with their fathers in the day I took them by the hand…"
New> H2319 חדשׁ châdâsh khaw-dawsh' From H2318; new: - fresh, new thing.
Covenant >H1285 בּרית berîyth ber-eeth' From H1262 (in the sense of cutting (like H1254)); a compact (because made by passing between pieces of flesh): - confederacy, [con-]feder[-ate], covenant, league.
This tells us that the prophecy that was being laid out by God through Jeremiah, was that it was going to be a new and different covenant to the one made when God took the Israelites out of Egypt.. Scripture records how they did break the covenant, and hence the need of a new covenant. Some compare the concept of the renewed covenant with the moon being 'renewed' therefore it correlates to the covenant not being new, but renewed. However, they neither study to understand the Scriptures nor know them. Most have access to a Strong's Concordance, Thayer's or Brown's Driver Brigg's (BDB), which can help with word studies. If you look at the word Renew, we find it is translated ten times in total from Hebrew. Covenant >H1285 בּרית berîyth ber-eeth' From H1262 (in the sense of cutting (like H1254)); a compact (because made by passing between pieces of flesh): - confederacy, [con-]feder[-ate], covenant, league.
Ten times we find the word chadash, used in the OT in the KJV: 3 times as "renew"; 3 times as "repair"; 2 times as "renewed"; 2 times as "renewest".
Strong's H2318
חדשׁ châdash khaw-dash' A primitive root; to be new; causatively to rebuild: - renew, repair
H2318 חדשׁ châdash BDB Definition: 1) to be new, renew, repair...
Renew: Psalm 51:10 Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me. ( 1Samuel 11:14; Lam 5:21)
Renewed: Psalm 103:5 Who satisfieth thy mouth with good things; so that thy youth is renewed like the eagle's. (2 Ch 24:4)
Renewest: Psalm 104:30 Thou sendest forth thy spirit, they are created: and thou renewest the face of the earth. (Job 10:17)
Repair: 2Ch 24:4, 2Ch 24:12, Isa 61:4
The other two times we see renew and one time as renewed, comes from Strong's 2498, chalaph, which is found used 28 times in the OT in the KJV. 6 times as "changed"; 4 times as "change"; 2 times as "groweth"; 2 times as "pass"; 2 times as "passed"; 1 as "abolish"; 1 as "alter"; 1 as "cut"; 1 as "go"; 1 as "over"; 1 as "passeth"; 1 as "sprout"; 1 as "stricken"; 1 as "strike"
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Strong's H2498 חלף
châlaph khaw-laf' A primitive root; properly to slide by, that is, (by implication) to hasten away, pass on, spring up, pierce or change: - abolish, alter change, cut off, go on forward, grow up, be over, pass (away, on, through), renew, sprout, strike through.
BDB Definition :H2498 1) to pass on or away, pass through, pass by, go through, grow up, change, to go on from...
Renew: Isaiah 40:31 But they that wait upon the LORD shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles; they shall run, and not be weary; and they shall walk, and not faint. BDB Definition :H2498 1) to pass on or away, pass through, pass by, go through, grow up, change, to go on from...
Isaiah 41:1 Keep silence before me, O islands; and let the people renew their strength: let them come near; then let them speak: let us come near together to judgment.
Renewed: Job 29:20 My glory was fresh in me, and my bow was renewed in my hand.
The word NEW is found translated from seven different words in the OT. For space, Strong's concordance will be used:
H1069 בּכר bâkar baw-kar' A primitive root; properly to burst the womb, that is, (causatively) bear or make early fruit (of woman or tree); also (as denominatively from H1061) to give the birthright: - make firstborn, be firstling, bring forth first child (new fruit).
Of the six occurrences in the KJV, it is found as new once in Ezekiel 47:12 "...it shall bring forth NEW fruit according to his months, ..."
H1278 בּריאה berîy'âh ber-ee-aw' Feminine from H1254; a creation, that is, a novelty: - new thing.
New is found only once in Numbers 16:30 "...But if the LORD make a new thing,..."
H2323
חדתchădâth khad-ath' (Chaldee); corresponding to H2319 ; new: - new.
It ( chădâth) was originally Aramaic. which means new. It corresponds to H2319 which is châdâsh which BDB defines as "new, new thing, fresh" . Jesus speaks of the new testament, which means new covenant, in His blood.
Mat 26:27-28
(27) And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it; (28) For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
Strong's Greek > new G2537 - kainos kahee-nos' Of uncertain affinity; new (especially in freshness; while G3501 is properly so with respect to age): - new.
testament, G1242 diathēkē dee-ath-ay'-kay From G1303; properly a disposition, that is, (specifically) a contract (especially a devisory will): - covenant, testament.
In the second chapter of Corinthians we see where Paul lists three differences between these two covenants.(27) And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it; (28) For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
Strong's Greek > new G2537 - kainos kahee-nos' Of uncertain affinity; new (especially in freshness; while G3501 is properly so with respect to age): - new.
testament, G1242 diathēkē dee-ath-ay'-kay From G1303; properly a disposition, that is, (specifically) a contract (especially a devisory will): - covenant, testament.
2Corinthians 3:3 Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.
...6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.
11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.
What Paul was saying was that the Old Covenant which was engraved in stones was glorious but that the ministry of the Spirit was more glorious, because the glory of the ministry of the law given Moses was passing away .The glory of the New overshadows the glory of the old. Thus we see that the first was a temporary one whose glory passed away, yet the New being eternal, remains....6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.
11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.
The Old was a ministry of condemnation (v9) and death (v7), the New is the ministry of life(v6) and righteousness(v9).The law is holy but due to man´s inability to adhere to it, it became a ministry of death, showing us that man can never be righteous by his own efforts. As Isaiah the prophet said, all our righteousness is as filthy rags. Hence the need for God to provide the only way to Him, based on the righteousness of Christ.
It has been suggested that some who propagate the faulty scholarship regarding renew do so because if it is called a renewed covenant, they can then justify telling their adherents that they have to obey the Torah of Moses given at Sinai. Those who don't agree are considered non-believers and lost.
Some posit that God would never break His promise, so the Mosaic law or old covenant is still in effect. It is true that God cannot break His Word, which is what sealed the covenant with Abraham, Moses and for all other covenants. But people do break their word and promises, and the Scriptures do show that Israel was not faithful in keeping the Mosaic covenant. God repeatedly prefaced His instructions with "if" you do this, or "if" you don't.
God showed He could change the covenant because of their disobedience--and He broke it so that a better way would be known.
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I believe Yeshua asked a good question here...
John 5: 46. For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. 47. But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe my words?
John 5: 46. For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. 47. But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe my words?
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hi visionary
yes, Jesus was speaking to the Religious Leaders of the day.
the high mucketty-mucks, The Pharisees and crew.
He was rebuking them, saying Moses would be judging them on That Day: since they sat in the Seat of Moses (Lawgiver), yet didn't even believe Moses! for if they had, they would have known Jesus, for Moses wrote about Him.
that's why the Talmudic System will NEVER lead anyone to Jesus - it is against Him.
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hi visionary
yes, Jesus was speaking to the Religious Leaders of the day.
the high mucketty-mucks, The Pharisees and crew.
He was rebuking them, saying Moses would be judging them on That Day: since they sat in the Seat of Moses (Lawgiver), yet didn't even believe Moses! for if they had, they would have known Jesus, for Moses wrote about Him.
that's why the Talmudic System will NEVER lead anyone to Jesus - it is against Him.
You are right the Talmudic system is not a leader to Yeshua.. Yeshua is also correct how can you find Him without instruction? I believe Yeshua's question is good for us today too.
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Galatians is the best!
better than neos...that just meant new in time, this means more, of a whole new thing..and new in time.
New,in the greek. kainos 2537
Definition:
1) new
1a) as respects form
1b) as respects substance
1b1) of a new kind, unprecedented, novel, uncommon, unheard of
Besides, you never answer this..
Why didn't paul say to not live under law, if it was the same thing wirtten inside?
You live under the principle of law, hence you see Adam, your flesh, aroused by law. If you were truly living under the new cov, you would see this..
17 then he adds,
I will remember their sins and their lawless deeds no more.
With all due respect Vis, you have covenantal confusion.
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Luke 16:31 Saying yet to him "if Moses and the Prophets not they are hearing,
neither if ever anyone out of dead-ones may be rising, they shall be being persuaded".
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Paul said that it established the law..better than neos...that just meant new in time, this means more, of a whole new thing..and new in time.
New,in the greek. kainos 2537
Definition:
1) new
1a) as respects form
1b) as respects substance
1b1) of a new kind, unprecedented, novel, uncommon, unheard of
Besides, you never answer this..
Why didn't paul say to not live under law, if it was the same thing wirtten inside?
You live under the principle of law, hence you see Adam, your flesh, aroused by law. If you were truly living under the new cov, you would see this..
17 then he adds,
I will remember their sins and their lawless deeds no more.
With all due respect Vis, you have covenantal confusion.
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Frogster
Galatians is the best!
3;31 in context, can only be used as a condemning agent, not for the Christian. That is how paul used it there.
Or, don't forget the question in 31, does this faith overthrow the law?
We know the law is not of faith,from Gal 3:12, so law in 31 means the OT, and he went into the OT, the scriptures, 4;3, to show that faith was upheld in the OT, the law..nomos,the OT.
he went on to show this faith , justified, both jew and gentile, as per the point of 3;30. David and Abe, justified by faoith, upheld in the OT, the law.
Also see Rom1:2, 1;17, and 3:21, to see the faith, in the ot, upheld in the OT.
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So your faith establishes the law too...3;31 in context, can only be used as a condemning agent, not for the Christian. That is how paul used it there.
Or, don't forget the question in 31, does this faith overthrow the law?
We know the law is not of faith,from Gal 3:12, so law in 31 means the OT, and he went into the OT, the scriptures, 4;3, to show that faith was upheld in the OT, the law..nomos,the OT.
he went on to show this faith , justified, both jew and gentile, as per the point of 3;30. David and Abe, justified by faoith, upheld in the OT, the law.
Also see Rom1:2, 1;17, and 3:21, to see the faith, in the ot, upheld in the OT.
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Paul wrote the Talmud? Where did you get that impression?
If you're thinking of Romans 3:31, then determine what body of the Law Paul identified by quoting from it 3 verses later - He establishes the Law that demonstrates righteousness imputed by faith, and not works found in the Genesis record. That was 430 years before the covenant from Mount Sinai existed.
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Galatians is the best!
So your faith establishes the law too...
No, I meant as per gal 3;12, the law is not of faith.
Faith was in the law, the OT, (meaning law, not moses in 31)as per Rom 1:2, 1:17, 3:21, and 4:3.
The word law in 31, means OT..the law..OT..where paul showed that the law and the prophets, bear witness to it..LAW=OT in 31, not Moses.
Paul talked about this faith in 3:30, does this faith, mentioned in 31, overthrow the law?
No, it was in the OT all along, and he showed the faith, mentioned in 3:30, in chapter 4. What does the scripture say?, the OT (law) that the circumcised david, and uncut abe, were justified by this faith mentioned in 3;30. He took us into the law, the OT, to show this faith, that upheld, and was in the OT all along.
Law can mean OT also, like Jesus said law for the psalms in John 10, and 15.
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Talmud is not the Law from Mount Sinai.. but rather commentaries from Jewish rabbi and sages..oral traditions if you will...
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I know that. You were the one who drew attention to the Talmud as if Paul was its author, and you aren't providing a response to that observation, nor a weak allusion to Romans 3:31. You aren't answering anything at all.
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I am one that did.There are countless people who found Jesus, with out the law. Experience of the Spirit. Jesus is a being, not a rule book.
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