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Romans 11:33. O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out! 34. For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counseller? 36. For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.

Ephesians 4:6. One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

Colossians 1:16. For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 17. And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

Psalm 82:6. I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

Acts 17:24. God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands; 26. ... hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation; 28. For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.

Psalm 139:6. Such knowledge is too wonderful for me; it is high, I cannot attain unto it. 7. Whither shall I go from thy spirit? or whither shall I flee from thy presence? 8. If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there. 9. If I take the wings of the morning, and dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea; 10. Even there shall thy hand lead me, and thy right hand shall hold me. 11. If I say, Surely the darkness shall cover me; even the night shall be light about me. 12. Yea, the darkness hideth not from thee; but the night shineth as the day: the darkness and the light are both alike to thee. 13. For thou hast possessed my reins: thou hast covered me in my mother's womb. 14. I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvellous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well. 15. My substance was not hid from thee, when I was made in secret, and curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth. 16. Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect; and in thy book all my members were written, which in continuance were fashioned, when as yet there was none of them. 17. How precious also are thy thoughts unto me, O God! how great is the sum of them!

2 Corinthians 6:16. for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Isaiah 63:9. In all their affliction he was afflicted, and the angel of his presence saved them: in his love and in his pity he redeemed them; and he bare them, and carried them all the days of old.

Are the above Words TRUTH?  If so

1. Then God is every man you see in both flesh and spirit portions of man. <B>God has been all the generations of the past totally and completely</B>.

2. Since God is ALL in ALL and through all and by Him all things consist ... He has declared "I live forever"!! He cannot be EVERLASTING GOD .... if one man is destroyed or most of humanity is destroyed. Humanity appears to be God’s BODY CELLS in transition as He molts each cell from flesh imperfection to spirit perfection.

3. Jesus said Father will not lose one sheep, "No, not one" ... because it is not Father’s will to destroy Himself in any shape, form, or fashion even as He walks the earth as "man". It seems that <B>we have been taught lies </B>about the fate of man, and <B>a man-made doctrine about final judgment which is IMPOSSIBLE</B>

4. What VALUE is there in what you teach as doctrine and in what you believe, since the above scriptures are ABSOLUTE TRUTH? Is your faith and doctrine relevant or worthless in the face of this truth?

5. Men are hurrying and scurrying about to "save" who from what? Since the perfection of each of Father’s BODY CELLS is a FIXED PROCESS which cannot be altered, what VALUE is there in "man’s doctrine" on requirements for salvation and about the judgment?

6. Only God can build his own House and <B>the efforts of men below are vanity and in vain</B>! What are you doing? The effort of men in all religions is a lot of "dust and ashes blowing in the wind"!

7. <B>Death is the transition event </B>between flesh imperfection and spirit perfection which God has FIXED. Why are men afraid of it since it happens all the time to all men?

8. Read the above scriptures again and determine the relative VALUE of what you teach and believe? Is what you believe relevant? Does it agree with the TRUTH above? Are you beating the air in your effort to teach men and to save men? Are your words and doctrine just "dust and ashes blowing in the wind" .. a whole lot of fiction?

Psalm 127:1 <B>Except the Lord build the house</B>, they labour in vain that build it:

Hosea 13:14 I will ransom them from the power of the grave; I will redeem them from death: O death, I will be thy plagues; O grave, I will be thy destruction: repentance shall be hid from mine eyes.

Hebrews 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; 15 And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.

Luke 4:17 And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written, 18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, 19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord. 20 And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him. 21 And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears.

Romans 8:38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, 39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

How much relevance is there in what YOU are doing? <B>Does it make sense</B> in light of the above TRUTH?

John,

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John,

I'm sorry, but I must disagree with you here.&nbsp; First of all I agree with Havoc and understand that to non-Christians the word is not considered absoloute truth.&nbsp; However, as a Christian myself I do consider the word to be absoloute truth so I'll reply to this as a fellow believer ok?

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First of all what I find&nbsp;ironic is that Havoc is a Wiccan, and although I can see where his views might differ from yours and my own&nbsp;I see pantheism written all over your assumptions here.&nbsp;

Ephesians 4:6. One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.&nbsp;


I believe the phrase "in you all" is the one in question here and I can see how this could be used as a pantheistic argument.&nbsp; My belief, and the rest of the word seems to point to, is that the Lord created us in His image and this says alot for the statements being made in your post.&nbsp; I remember CS Lewis's comments regarding pantheism and Chrisitanity.&nbsp; If you painted a painting you would use your creativity in that&nbsp;work of art.&nbsp;&nbsp;It is even common to say something like "I have put myself in that painting."&nbsp; The truth is even if the painting is destroyed tommorrow you will still exist just as you did before, creativity intact.&nbsp;&nbsp;Sure much of your personality may be "in it", you may even be personally&nbsp;attatched to it, however it is still a seperate thing,&nbsp;you are&nbsp;not reliant on it for survival.&nbsp;

The&nbsp;point is, even though the Lord created the world and everything in it that doesn't mean that He "is" everything in the sense that the chair I'm sitting on is God.&nbsp; The Lord did not send His son to die because He was reliant&nbsp;upon us for survival, He sent His son to die for us out of love, just as are union with Him as His bride will be a union of love, not neccesity.&nbsp; For if&nbsp;all of us were already God, their would be no need for us to be conformed to the image of Christ.

I do believe the word to be absoloute truth, however our own interpretation of that word is a different story.&nbsp; I do agree with you that Christians put too much emphasis on works, however, I believe it is for different reasons than what you stated.&nbsp; In my mind it's simply putting the ends before the means.

My intention here is not to bring you down or claim to have all secret knowledge of the meaning of scripture.&nbsp; It seems evident that you have a desire to know the truth and that you love the Lord and I don't want to take that away or make it seem like I feel your a bad Christian because I disagree with you.&nbsp; I guess it's that I've seen many times when people take an interpretation and state it as indusputable and it's frustating&nbsp;to me.&nbsp; My belief is that if what you believe is true, it takes God and puts Him lower than He really is, and raises us up to a level that we&nbsp;are not.&nbsp;&nbsp;I believe that we will be united with Him as His bride, but I do not believe we are&nbsp;gods taking our rightful place, I believe we are men and women whom the Lord through His love and grace&nbsp;has&nbsp;chosen to elevate to that stature.&nbsp; In my opinion it's a gift, not a given.&nbsp; God Bless Brother.&nbsp; Bill&nbsp;

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wryan:

Might I compliment you on your choice of phrasing. You got your point across very clearly what you consider to be the absolute truth and still managed to keep it firmly in the realm of faith. I don't think your witness was in any way harmed, in fact I have a new respect for you and your beliefs. Good show Sir.

OK enough ear tickling, lets get back to the mud pit.
 
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That means alot to me Havoc. We disagree on alot, and I'm sure we'll continue to disagree, however I have alot of respect for you as well. You have a habit of putting&nbsp;a microscope on everything I say and believe and it can be very frustrating at times, and yet I think it's the best thing for me. If we never question, we never grow. Alright, alright..... :D back to the mud pit. God Bless. Bill
 
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Hi, folks!

First of all there is no such thing as "pantheism".&nbsp; There is only One God, our Father , the Creator of all things.&nbsp; You think like blind and carnal man when you submit that "their thinking" applies in this discourse.&nbsp; Secondly when God created everything from nothing, there were no natural resource "material" to use for making things.&nbsp; There was "nothing" but Himself.&nbsp; You have a "skewed" and incorrect view of what "God is all" means.&nbsp; Go here and read the GOOD NEWS perspective.&nbsp; Perhaps you can take a "talent" or two: http://www.goodnewsinc.net/v2gn/godisall.html&nbsp; This is not meant in any way to offend.&nbsp; You can only think with the limited knowledge God has given to you specifically.&nbsp; I think by the light he has given me specifically.&nbsp; Sharing is in order.&nbsp;

I cannot expect havoc to accept nor believe what I hvae written.&nbsp; True to his name, he is here to promote "havoc".&nbsp; Have a great day havoc until God causes an earthquake in your life!

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This is truth:

Matthew 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

John 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

Since the Word is TRUTH, which part of the post IS NOT "the Word of God"?&nbsp; Do you "believe" what the scriptures say?&nbsp; I say they speak the TRUTH!&nbsp; Believe it or not!

John,

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Hey John,

Please go back and re-read what I said because I believe you have misunderstood.&nbsp; I saw many pantheistic tendencies in what you had said, I myself am far from a pantheist.&nbsp; I read the link you posted and one thing stuck out, it says that God and His creation are seperate even though He controls them.&nbsp; This is precisely one of the points I was trying to make.

"3. Jesus said Father will not lose one sheep, "No, not one" ... because it is not Father’s will to destroy Himself in any shape, form, or fashion even as He walks the earth as "man". It seems that &lt;B&gt;we have been taught lies &lt;/B&gt;about the fate of man, and &lt;B&gt;a man-made doctrine about final judgment which is IMPOSSIBLE&lt;/B&gt;"

If&nbsp;we look here at a quote from your post we can note that up until the word "because" is what the Lord said, after is nothing more than your own opinion of what this means.&nbsp; This my brother is quite disputable.&nbsp; As I have said I believe Jesus will not lose "one sheep" because He loves the sheep, not because He needs the sheep.

You say that I have a "skewed" and incorrect view of what God is all means.&nbsp; Are you saying this believing I am a pantheist?&nbsp; Or do you have other reasons you haven't mentioned here?&nbsp; Also, what is the purpose of quoting the word "talent" in your reply?&nbsp; I never once used this word in my post.&nbsp; Forgive me if I am incorrect in this but it seems like you are attempting to make me appear to be prideful and arrogant here.&nbsp; If this is the case I also find your wording interesting when you refer to me as having "the limited knowledge that God has given me specifically" while you&nbsp;"think by the light God has given to you specifically".&nbsp; Your choice in words here seems very subtle, and yet it seems to reveal alot in how you view yourself opposed to other Christians.&nbsp; Again if I am misenterpreting here, I apologize.

Lastly, regarding Havoc.&nbsp;

"You think like blind and carnal man when you submit that "their thinking" applies in this discourse."&nbsp;&nbsp;


Jesus came to&nbsp;heal the sick, not the well.&nbsp; My respect and attitude towards Havoc is my greatest witness of my faith.&nbsp;&nbsp;The Holy Spirit is like a dove, this is how the Lord wooe'd me.&nbsp; He was never forceful, if I had chosen not to follow Him&nbsp;He would have&nbsp;kept on me bacause He loves me, but He never would have forced&nbsp;my choice because though His grace He gave me just that, my choice.&nbsp; If Havoc chooses never to choose Him&nbsp;it will be a very sad thing in my opinion, however that is his choice and I will show him the same respect that the Lord showed me.&nbsp;

"I cannot expect havoc to accept nor believe what I hvae written.&nbsp; True to his name, he is here to promote "havoc".&nbsp; Have a great day havoc until God causes an earthquake in your life!"

If the eathquake your referring to here is an act of blessing, a new revelation of God than amen, I hope the same thing.&nbsp; If it was meant as an act of destruction upon Havoc's life than I don't think I even have to point out how much I disagree.&nbsp; I will just say love your enemies as yourself.

If I have mistated your intentions or viewed what you&nbsp;are trying to get across&nbsp;incorrectly than please forgive me, it was not my intention.&nbsp; I believe that knowledge puffs up, but love edifies.&nbsp; If any knowledge we&nbsp;believe to have aquired from God does not promote faith, hope, and love than I believe it is not from God.&nbsp; God Bless.&nbsp; Bill
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John;

As I have pointed out before my nick has nothing to do with the dictionary definition of the word "havoc". It is a name given to me by the Soldiers I commanded in battle.

Also I would appreciate it if you would capitalise is you use my name. There is no need to insult me by not treating my name as a proper noun.

Lastly, you can jump up and down and stamp your feet and scream "truth" at the darkness all you want, it won't make your beliefs the truth. Unless you can show with overwhelming subjective evidence that your beliefs are the "truth" then you aren't doing anything more than just misusing the word.
 
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