LDS say "Salvation Comes through the Church"

Rescued One · Dec 2, 2010

When the Savior established his church during his mortal ministry, and as it was further developed by the twelve apostles of that day, one important fact became conspicuously clear, which is: that salvation comes through the Church.

It does not come through any separate organization or splinter group nor to any private party as an individual. It comes only through the Church itself as the Lord established it...

If persons separate themselves from the Lords church, they thereby separate themselves from his means of salvation, for salvation is through the Church...

Salvation is not to be found in splinter groups today any more than it was to be found in the various denominations which polluted the teachings of Moses anciently or which, in the days of early Christianity, transgressed the laws, changed the ordinances, and broke the everlasting covenant.
Mark E. Peterson, Salvation Comes through the Church, Ensign, July 1973, p. 108

If you aren't LDS, would you become LDS?

wayseer · Dec 3, 2010

I fail to the point of your post.

Rescued One · Dec 3, 2010

Did you understand that "the church" refers to the LDS church?

This is not just another Church. This is not just one of a family of Christian churches. This is the Church and kingdom of God, the only true Church upon the face of the earth... (Teachings of Ezra Taft Benson, p.164-165).

andreha · Dec 3, 2010

My Bible says:

(Rom 10:13) For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

It doesn't say I should call on the name of the church... And to answer the OP, I won't make changes without asking the Lord to direct me according to His will.

BarryK · Dec 3, 2010

Phoebe Ann said:
When the Savior established his church during his mortal ministry, and as it was further developed by the twelve apostles of that day, one important fact became conspicuously clear, which is: that salvation comes through the Church.

It does not come through any separate organization or splinter group nor to any private party as an individual. It comes only through the Church itself as the Lord established it...

If persons separate themselves from the Lords church, they thereby separate themselves from his means of salvation, for salvation is through the Church...

Salvation is not to be found in splinter groups today any more than it was to be found in the various denominations which polluted the teachings of Moses anciently or which, in the days of early Christianity, transgressed the laws, changed the ordinances, and broke the everlasting covenant.
Mark E. Peterson, Salvation Comes through the Church, Ensign, July 1973, p. 108

If you aren't LDS, would you become LDS?

This is just one of many doctrines the LDS have taken from our breatherns of the Roman Cathloic church, (an orginization that they claim to be from satan himself)

not only is satan not capable of creating anything, but only of counterfiting somthing, but it is well known that imitation is the most sincer form of flattery.

Moodshadow · Dec 3, 2010

What part of "NO MAN COMETH UNTO THE FATHER BUT BY ME" is so difficult to understand?

No church, regardless of its name or denomination, is equivalent to the Savior, period.

TasteForTruth · Dec 3, 2010

Moodshadow said:
No church, regardless of its name or denomination, is equivalent to the Savior, period.

I agree!

Rescued One · Dec 3, 2010

Moodshadow said:
No church, regardless of its name or denomination, is equivalent to the Savior, period.

TasteForTruth said:
I agree!

I can see why you agree. However, if Christ saves us, why would salvation come through the church? He died on the cross for our sins. The church didn't do that.

The church refers to the people of God (Christ purchased souls with His blood, not an organization):

Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
Acts 20:28

Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
Galatians 3:13

bbbbbbb · Dec 3, 2010

Not only is the LDS concept of the Church fatally flawed, but its entire understanding of salvation is equally flawed.

TasteForTruth · Dec 3, 2010

Phoebe Ann said:
I can see why you agree. However, if Christ saves us, why would salvation come through the church? He died on the cross for our sins. The church didn't do that.

Who teaches that a church died on the cross? Who teaches that a church atoned for the sins of men?

Rescued One · Dec 4, 2010

TasteForTruth said:
Who teaches that a church died on the cross? Who teaches that a church atoned for the sins of men?

That's the point. "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:" Ephesians 2:8

When the Savior established his church during his mortal ministry, and as it was further developed by the twelve apostles of that day, one important fact became conspicuously clear, which is: that salvation comes through the Church.

It does not come through any separate organization or splinter group nor to any private party as an individual. It comes only through the Church itself as the Lord established it...

If persons separate themselves from the Lords church, they thereby separate themselves from his means of salvation, for salvation is through the Church...

Salvation is not to be found in splinter groups today any more than it was to be found in the various denominations which polluted the teachings of Moses anciently or which, in the days of early Christianity, transgressed the laws, changed the ordinances, and broke the everlasting covenant.

Mark E. Peterson, Salvation Comes through the Church, Ensign, July 1973, p. 108

Christ is the means of salvation, and the saved are the church. One does not need the LDS church in order to be saved.

Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved,
Acts 16:31

But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, to them that believe on his name:
John 1:12

Him that cometh to Me, I will in no wise cast out,
John 6:37

TasteForTruth · Dec 4, 2010

Phoebe Ann said:
That's the point. "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:" Ephesians 2:8

Mark E. Peterson, “Salvation Comes through the Church,” Ensign, July 1973, p. 108

Christ is the means of salvation, and the saved are the church. One does not need the LDS church in order to be saved.

Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved,
Acts 16:31

But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, to them that believe on his name:
John 1:12

Him that cometh to Me, I will in no wise cast out,
John 6:37

I'm sorry, I didn't understand your answer in relation to the two questions I asked. Was that an "I don't know," a "No church teaches those things," ... ?

Rescued One · Dec 4, 2010

TasteForTruth said:
I'm sorry, I didn't understand your answer in relation to the two questions I asked. Was that an "I don't know," a "No church teaches those things," ... ?

Who teaches that salvation comes through their church? LDS and a few others; however, the Bible doesn't.

TasteForTruth · Dec 4, 2010

Phoebe Ann said:
Who teaches that salvation comes through their church? LDS and a few others; however, the Bible doesn't.

I do understand your point. However, after you made this point above, you suggested that no church died on the cross for the souls of men. It seems, therefore that you understand the teaching that "salvation comes through the church" to mean that the churchwhich you identified in the same post as the people of Goddied on the cross, offering itself collectively as a sacrifice for our sins. My question was and is, "who teaches this doctrine?"

BarryK · Dec 4, 2010

TasteForTruth said:
Who teaches that a church died on the cross? Who teaches that a church atoned for the sins of men?

the "church" teaches that your Mr. Smith is essential to your salvation, and you can not be saved, (σώζ&#969

without him.

tell you, Joseph holds the keys, and none of us can get into the celestial kingdom without passing by him. We have not got rid of him, but he stands there as the sentinel, holding the keys of the kingdom of God; and there are many of them beside him. I tell you, if we get past those who have mingled with us, and know us best, and have a right to know us best, probably we can pass all other sentinels as far as it is necessary, or as far as we may desire. But I tell you, the pinch will be with those that have mingled with us, stood next to us, weighed our spirits, tried us, and proven us: there will be a pinch, in my view, to get past them. The others, perhaps, will say, If brother Joseph is satisfied with you, you may pass. If it is all right with him, it is all right with me. Then if Joseph shall say to a man, or if brother Brigham say to a man, I forgive you your sins, "Whosoever sins ye remit they are remitted unto them;" if you who have suffered and felt the weight of transgressionif you have generosity enough to forgive the sinner, I will forgive him: you cannot have more generosity than I have. I have given you power to forgive sins, and when the Lord gives a gift, he does not take it back again."
- Apostle Orson Hyde, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 6, p.154-
155

"If we get our salvation, we shall have to pass by the Prophet Joseph Smith; if we enter our glory, it will be through the authority he has received. We cannot get around him. "
- 1988 Melchizedek Priesthood Study Guide, p. 142, Apostle George Q. Cannon quoted

"No man or woman in this dispensation will ever enter into the celestial kingdom of God without the consent of Joseph Smith...every man and woman must have the certificate of Joseph Smith, junior, as a passport to their entrance into the mansion where God and Christ are... [Joseph Smith] reigns there as supreme a being in his sphere, capacity, and calling, as God does in heaven. Many will exclaim"Oh, that is very disagreeable! It is preposterous! We cannot bear the thought!" But it is true."
- Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, vol. 7, p.289-91

There is] "no salvation without accepting Joseph Smith. If Joseph Smith was verily a prophet, and if he told the truth...no man can reject that testimony without incurring the most dreadful consequences, for he cannot enter the kingdom of God"
- Prophet Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, p.190

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"Our entire case as members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints rests on the validity of this glorious First Vision. ... Nothing on which we base our doctrine, nothing we teach, nothing we live by is of greater importance than this initial declaration. I submit that if Joseph Smith talked with God the Father and His Beloved Son, then all else of which he spoke is true. This is the hinge on which turns the gate that leads to the path of salvation and eternal life."
- Prophet Gordon B. Hinckley, Ensign Mag., Nov. 1998, pp.70-71[/FONT]

Katya · Dec 4, 2010

BarryK said:
the "church" teaches that your Mr. Smith is essential to your salvation, and you can not be saved, (σώζ&#969 without him.

tell you, Joseph holds the keys, and none of us can get into the celestial kingdom without passing by him. We have not got rid of him, but he stands there as the sentinel, holding the keys of the kingdom of God; and there are many of them beside him. I tell you, if we get past those who have mingled with us, and know us best, and have a right to know us best, probably we can pass all other sentinels as far as it is necessary, or as far as we may desire. But I tell you, the pinch will be with those that have mingled with us, stood next to us, weighed our spirits, tried us, and proven us: there will be a pinch, in my view, to get past them. The others, perhaps, will say, If brother Joseph is satisfied with you, you may pass. If it is all right with him, it is all right with me. Then if Joseph shall say to a man, or if brother Brigham say to a man, I forgive you your sins, "Whosoever sins ye remit they are remitted unto them;" if you who have suffered and felt the weight of transgressionif you have generosity enough to forgive the sinner, I will forgive him: you cannot have more generosity than I have. I have given you power to forgive sins, and when the Lord gives a gift, he does not take it back again."
- Apostle Orson Hyde, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 6, p.154-
155

"If we get our salvation, we shall have to pass by the Prophet Joseph Smith; if we enter our glory, it will be through the authority he has received. We cannot get around him. "
- 1988 Melchizedek Priesthood Study Guide, p. 142, Apostle George Q. Cannon quoted

"No man or woman in this dispensation will ever enter into the celestial kingdom of God without the consent of Joseph Smith...every man and woman must have the certificate of Joseph Smith, junior, as a passport to their entrance into the mansion where God and Christ are... [Joseph Smith] reigns there as supreme a being in his sphere, capacity, and calling, as God does in heaven. Many will exclaim"Oh, that is very disagreeable! It is preposterous! We cannot bear the thought!" But it is true."
- Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, vol. 7, p.289-91

There is] "no salvation without accepting Joseph Smith. If Joseph Smith was verily a prophet, and if he told the truth...no man can reject that testimony without incurring the most dreadful consequences, for he cannot enter the kingdom of God"
- Prophet Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, p.190

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"Our entire case as members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints rests on the validity of this glorious First Vision. ... Nothing on which we base our doctrine, nothing we teach, nothing we live by is of greater importance than this initial declaration. I submit that if Joseph Smith talked with God the Father and His Beloved Son, then all else of which he spoke is true. This is the hinge on which turns the gate that leads to the path of salvation and eternal life."
- Prophet Gordon B. Hinckley, Ensign Mag., Nov. 1998, pp.70-71[/FONT]

The last 2 quotes I understand to mean that we must accept the teachings of Joseph Smith. However the first three sounds to me like Joseph will judge us. When I was about 6 I was told that we would be judged by Jesus and by Joseph. I didn't believe it then, and I still don't believe that. Only one will sit at judgement and that is Christ. No one else.

Obiwan · Dec 4, 2010

Katya said:
The last 2 quotes I understand to mean that we must accept the teachings of Joseph Smith. However the first three sounds to me like Joseph will judge us. When I was about 6 I was told that we would be judged by Jesus and by Joseph. I didn't believe it then, and I still don't believe that. Only one will sit at judgement and that is Christ. No one else.

If one knows the scriptures they will know that there will be MANY "Judges", not simply Christ. The Apostles and Prophets of God will be Judges of Israel. Last I checked, Joseph Smith was a Prophet of God, thus if you still "don't believe it", then you don't know the scriptures and the Restored Gospel just to let you know. FYI.

Katya · Dec 4, 2010

Obiwan said:
If one knows the scriptures they will know that there will be MANY "Judges", not simply Christ. The Apostles and Prophets of God will be Judges of Israel. Last I checked, Joseph Smith was a Prophet of God, thus if you still "don't believe it", then you don't know the scriptures and the Restored Gospel with all due respect. FYI.

Now that actually makes sense to me.

I really don't know the scriptures. I guess I just know enough to get by. Maybe it's about time I did learn.

Obiwan · Dec 4, 2010

Katya said:
Now that actually makes sense to me.

I really don't know the scriptures. I guess I just know enough to get by. Maybe it's about time I did learn.

Good girl.... Just be careful how people try to "sway" you. Don't be so willing to believe things people say about the Gospel and the Church such as occured in this thread. It's not ever the "whole" truth.

Keep the faith going forward....

drstevej · Dec 4, 2010

Katya said:
Now that actually makes sense to me.

I really don't know the scriptures. I guess I just know enough to get by. Maybe it's about time I did learn.

Galatians 1

6I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: 7Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
8But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

The "Restored" gospel is not that of Paul. Beware, Paul has warned us. His gospel was grace not a gospel that is works based. I urge you to study the New Testament so you can spot the errors of Mormonism.

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