Creationism: Young Earth vs Old Earth

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Originally posted by sulphur
Then why are you posting in a basically science forum.

Because there has been new knowledge over the years about the universe and just how God went about the creation of the universe. The problem is, all new information has to be checked against the Bible for accuracy. In some cases, this has not been done and a lot of error has crept in.

Nothing, and I mean absolutely, positively nothing has any value at all, unless you can check it out in the Bible and only there will you find if this new knowledge is true or false. Far to many people have tried to present things that just are not true because they do not check out that information in the word of God.
 
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Originally posted by ikester7579
To believe in something that disproves God's word is like calling him a liar! 

Really, people try and say the Bible is not true. A book that has been tested and tried and found to be true again and again though every generation. If they try to say the Bible is not true, then at best that tells me they can not discern between truth and error. Thus they are unreliable and untrustworthy.
 
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Originally posted by seesaw
Come on how can you say that with out any evidence backing up your claim?

What is the point your trying to make?

The Bible is true, you know it is the truth of God. You know that God stands behind the Bible to back it up. The same God that created this universe stands behind the Bible to fulfill it. If you do your part, you can be sure He will do His part. If your not willing to do anything, then don't expect that He is going to do anything.

If you want evidence, then get up off of your butt and prove it, or try to disprove it. Sitting there in denyal is not going to get you anywhere at all, and you know it.

At least the four leprous men had enough sense to ask: "Why are we sitting here until we die?" 2 Kings 7:3 Are you going to just sit there and do nothing and die in your sin? Why when God is freely willing to give you life. Freely it is given, so why do you not freely receive all of what He has for you?

You DO NOT Fool God even one tiny bit. He has your number. He can tell you how many cells are in your big toe nail before and after you cut them, If you ever cut them. He made you and He knows all about you. You don't fool Him even one tiny bit.

You don't even fool yourself, so why do you expect that your going to fool Him? Get up off of you butt and decide that your going to live for God and serve Him withall your heart, mind, soul, and strength. He will provide the way, He will provide for you all that you would ever want or need.


 
 
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Originally posted by chickenman
Sorry Galileo, we've checked with the bible, and it turns out that you're wrong. Sorry about that old chap, better luck next time

Do you even know what your talking about? Galileo invented the telescope and he came up with some new information. Along with Copernicus theories they were coming up with a whole new theorty of astronomy. So much so that some people call it the old and the new astronomy. But their ideas and theorys were so new that no had a chance to check them out yet to see if they were accurate or not. The church put some restrictions on Galileo that he agreed to, then he broke his agreement.

We have the luxery today of looking back with 20=20 vision. But if you want to understand what was going on at that point in history, you have to look at it from their perspective.

But you do not seem to have any regard for facts, truth or history, you seem content to spread myths, in some sort of a show of hatred against Christians. Now even 20-20 vision does not allow me to make any sense out of people who would twist and warp the truth and history to serve no good purpose at all.  
 
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Lets see here! When a scientists comes up with new information they should check it against the bible or something like that, right? Well why not checking the information with the Koran or other religious texts? I don't see your point John.
 
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Originally posted by seesaw
John:



Yes, for the rest of my life. Why because I don't believe in your so called sin.

AGAIN I don't believe in god so I don't care what you say about me when I die. You always do that, ever time we start to have a conversation you always say something about my soul or sin or god loving me or something that you know I don't care about. I'm in a science forum to talk about science. I'm not worried about what's going to happen to me after I die BECAUSE I WILL BE DEAD.
 
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Originally posted by seesaw
Well why not checking the information with the Koran or other religious texts?

Because I am not a muslim, I am a christian. I know that the Bible is the word of God and that is has the full authority of God. He watches over it to perform it.

Our law is just words on a paper, but the government backs it up. The Bible is backed up by God Himself. The power of God is behind it so that you can have full assurance in it's trustworthyness.

I am sure there are some hard working muslim scientists. The mumlim claim at one time they made quite a contribution to science.

But now all the research is going on here in America, one nation under God, where we believe in the Bible. The muslim world under the koran does not seem to be doing much of anything, other than maybe producing chemical weapons and terrorism.

If anyone would like to talk about what contrabutions a muslum country under the koran and muslim law is making to the collective effort, I would be glad to hear what they have to say about it.
 
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To answer the quote that chickenman posted... A pastor that I listen to had the same question ask of him and because he could only answer it with what he has heard and not seen that really bugged him. So he went to Israel and took a Rabi with him. They went to see the Dead Sea Scrolls. The Rabi knowing old hebrew could translate it to greek. The pastor who knew greek could translate it to english. Which version you think was the one that matched? A hint: It's been around longer than any other. When another version is written it is usually compared to this one. This one has only been revised twice from the original version. You can still get the original version. It's in old english and is very hard to understand.
 
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Originally posted by ikester7579
It's in old english and is very hard to understand.

English when through quite a bit of change to adapt it to the printing press over 500 years ago. Up to 50 years ago, the printing press had not changed all that much. When I was a kid they still had to physically set type. I have a friend in the printing business and he still has a big old printing press that he sets each individual letter in place to print out something. Of course his business is not doing very good, because he is not able to keep up with the competition that has all the modern printing equipment. The cost has gone up quite a bit also. It use to be cheap to buy a book, but now they are pretty expensive.
 
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Oh no. Not another KJV argument.

First of all, translating a language from a translation of a language makes for a sloppy translation. The best translation comes from the source language directly to the target language with no language(s) in between. This is plain common sense.
Anyone who knows anything about language will tell you that there is no magical one and only translation.
The Prior to the Dead Sea Scrolls we had the Masoretic Text which was derived from the Septuagint. Only recently have we been able to use the dead sea scrolls for Old Testament translation. The scrolls are about 900 years older than the MT and were discovered in the 1900s. So all you have proved is that the Masoretic Text has been well preserved and suffered little corruption compared to the older Scrolls.
There are no scrolls containing any form of New Testament document. It sounds like this pastor, if the story is true, wasted a lot of time to prove no point at all.
 
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That I do not argue with on language translation. But it's nice to know which one comes closest to the original hebrew to greek. Some meaning can be lost in the translation. Also greek words have a exact meaning unlike the english language which can have several meaning per word. This is why in most seminary schools, Greek is a required subject, Because you can always go back to it to get more of an exact meaning if the English is not understood.
 
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