A Sustained Revelation?

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Forgive me if this has been brought up already, Im new here. In fact this is my first post :thumbsup:

My question is: If God truly knows what we need before we need it and is a light to our feet, is it not possible that our knowledge of creation, sin and the world, as explained in the bible, is meant to be more of a slow release than a revelation?

For example, the story of the creation tells of Adam and Eve, who suddenly gained the knowledge of good and evil. Science tells us, however, that self-awareness and cultural/moral principles developed over a long time. Isn't it possible that Genesis was set in place as an authority on creation, but only until our species had the presence of mind to comprehend things such as evolution, astronomy and physics? Pope John Paul II said evolution might be a possibility, so maybe this was God's way of telling humanity that it's OK to move on from some aspects of the bible.

Another point that I'd like to make is that these aspects of the bible were written for God's chosen people, geographically in the Middle East, Northern Africa and the very eastern edge of Europe. Archaeologists and anthropologists have shown us that other cultures in this time had an extremely advanced (relatively that is) knowledge of science. Perhaps the Bible explains science and creation in such simple ways because it was meant to speak to God's chosen people, who weren't at an advanced point scientifically, E.g., if the Bible were developed in South America, it might have a more complex description of the creation, as the Sumerians had a profound knowledge of astronomy.

Forgive me if this has been brought up before, but I had to ask :)

P.S. Please make sure that you read my question carefully, as I've seen on occasion that some forum members have a kind of prepared response for things of this nature, which rarely addresses the original poster's question, so please be kind and find a response just for me :)

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Science tells us, however, that self-awareness and cultural/moral principles developed over a long time.

when science is telling you that, they are peddling in philosophy. IMHO they are wrong, and as that is the platform of your questions, there is not much need for me to go further :)
Perhaps the Bible explains science and creation in such simple ways because it was meant to speak to God's chosen people,

The bible is not a science book so it does not explain science. The bible (Genesis) reveals God to us, and his purpose for our life.
 
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Isn't it possible that Genesis was set in place as an authority on creation, but only until our species had the presence of mind to comprehend things such as evolution, astronomy and physics?
I don't think the creation myth in Genesis was ever meant to be authoritive. In fact, Genesis is known to be a combination of two myths from two different tribes. They were most likely campfire stories that evolved as these bronze age tribes wandered around the region.

The reason I do not think it was inspired by god is that it is wrong. Why would god inspire a story that could be shown later to be wrong?

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In fact, Genesis is known to be a combination of two myths from two different tribes. They were most likely campfire stories that evolved as these bronze age tribes wandered around the region.

The Genesis story of Creation probably isn't entirely how it happened. Did it really only take God 7 days? I don't think the details matter. I believe God created Earth and everything here.

But if the Fall didn't happen, then there was no reason for Jesus to later come to Earth.
 
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There is no evidence to suggest a "fall". THerefore there is no reason for god to make a blood sacrifice of his son, Jesus.

Of course you have to beleive that, Because if you did recognise evidence for a "fall" you are going to be having some serious conflicts inside that atheist world view of yours.

Which part about restating your Atheistic belief do you really think is going to cause any theist the slightest concern?
 
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The Genesis creation story is written as ancient creation genre. For the ancients the fundamental issue was "why?" not "how?" - why did the gods create the world as they did? Knowing that was fundamental to ordering their lives to conform to their god's intentions and thereby live within their favour.

Thus the science creation debate has had many red herrings within it.

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So why didnt Jesus correct it - one would have to beleive that of all people, he would know.

He had no need to - he referred to the Genesis account as setting out God's initial purposes for his creation including marriage.

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Forgive me if this has been brought up already, Im new here. In fact this is my first post :thumbsup:

My question is: If God truly knows what we need before we need it and is a light to our feet, is it not possible that our knowledge of creation, sin and the world, as explained in the bible, is meant to be more of a slow release than a revelation?

For example, the story of the creation tells of Adam and Eve, who suddenly gained the knowledge of good and evil. Science tells us, however, that self-awareness and cultural/moral principles developed over a long time. Isn't it possible that Genesis was set in place as an authority on creation, but only until our species had the presence of mind to comprehend things such as evolution, astronomy and physics? Pope John Paul II said evolution might be a possibility, so maybe this was God's way of telling humanity that it's OK to move on from some aspects of the bible.

Another point that I'd like to make is that these aspects of the bible were written for God's chosen people, geographically in the Middle East, Northern Africa and the very eastern edge of Europe. Archaeologists and anthropologists have shown us that other cultures in this time had an extremely advanced (relatively that is) knowledge of science. Perhaps the Bible explains science and creation in such simple ways because it was meant to speak to God's chosen people, who weren't at an advanced point scientifically, E.g., if the Bible were developed in South America, it might have a more complex description of the creation, as the Sumerians had a profound knowledge of astronomy.

Forgive me if this has been brought up before, but I had to ask :)

P.S. Please make sure that you read my question carefully, as I've seen on occasion that some forum members have a kind of prepared response for things of this nature, which rarely addresses the original poster's question, so please be kind and find a response just for me :)

Thanks!

Hi Cricafan,

Welcome to CF

I assume this was originally posted in AU/NZ because that's the part of the world you make your home.

I think you are on the right line, except for needing to get some picky facts straight. The Sumerians lived in Mesopotamia, not South America. Perhaps you are thinking of the Incas who lived in what is now Peru. Though the most accurate ancient astronomy I have heard of is that of the Mayans of Central America.

The Sumerians were no slouches though. Long, clear desert nights were ideal for studying the stars and theirs is the first literature of the Middle East and gets replicated in many versions by the later peoples of the area: Babylonians, Assyrians, Syrians, Hebrews.

Now your thread has been plonked into Origins Theology. Be prepared to duck the cross-fire of conflicting opinions.
 
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Forgive me if this has been brought up already, Im new here. In fact this is my first post :thumbsup:

My question is: If God truly knows what we need before we need it and is a light to our feet, is it not possible that our knowledge of creation, sin and the world, as explained in the bible, is meant to be more of a slow release than a revelation?

For example, the story of the creation tells of Adam and Eve, who suddenly gained the knowledge of good and evil. Science tells us, however, that self-awareness and cultural/moral principles developed over a long time. Isn't it possible that Genesis was set in place as an authority on creation, but only until our species had the presence of mind to comprehend things such as evolution, astronomy and physics? Pope John Paul II said evolution might be a possibility, so maybe this was God's way of telling humanity that it's OK to move on from some aspects of the bible.

Another point that I'd like to make is that these aspects of the bible were written for God's chosen people, geographically in the Middle East, Northern Africa and the very eastern edge of Europe. Archaeologists and anthropologists have shown us that other cultures in this time had an extremely advanced (relatively that is) knowledge of science. Perhaps the Bible explains science and creation in such simple ways because it was meant to speak to God's chosen people, who weren't at an advanced point scientifically, E.g., if the Bible were developed in South America, it might have a more complex description of the creation, as the Sumerians had a profound knowledge of astronomy.

Forgive me if this has been brought up before, but I had to ask :)

P.S. Please make sure that you read my question carefully, as I've seen on occasion that some forum members have a kind of prepared response for things of this nature, which rarely addresses the original poster's question, so please be kind and find a response just for me :)

Thanks!

Yes, the understanding of the Scripture is progressive. The more you read it, the more you understand, and the better sense it makes.

Many people have written down what they understood about the Scripture. But for any single person, the understanding starts with zero.

I know this is not the answer you expected. But it is an answer to your question.
 
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